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* The Future is Open: Dr. Richard Rice, Loma Linda theology professor and a leading advocate of open theism, is interviewed by Denver Bible Church pastor Bob Enyart. (Enyart is the co-founder of opentheism.org.) Dr. Rice's book, The Openness of God, was published in 1980, 14 years before he co-authored the famed 1994 book by the same name that he co-authored with Pinnock, Hasker, Basinger, and Sanders. Rice and Enyart have a relaxed and very interesting discussion of open theism and recent developments, and then go back in history to consider the way that Arminius himself wrestled with the matter.
* Book Blurb: Open theism has reached its adolescence. How did it get here? And where does it go from here? Since IVP's publication of The Openness of God in 1994, evangelical theology has grappled with the alternative vision of the doctrine of God that open theism offers. Responding to critics who claim that it proposes a truncated version of God that fails to account for Scripture and denies many of the traditional attributes of God, open theism's proponents contend that its view of God is not only biblically warranted but also more accurate―with a portrayal of God that emphasizes divine love for humanity and responsiveness to human free will. No matter what one's assessment, open theism inarguably has made a significant impact on recent theological discourse.
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* Richard Rice: Now, twenty-five years later, Richard Rice recounts in this volume the history of open theism from its antecedents and early developments to its more recent and varied expressions. He then considers different directions that open theism might continue to develop in relation to several primary doctrines of the Christian faith. BEL's Dr. Rice interviews...
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Greetings to the brightest audience in the country, and welcome to Bob Enyart Live. Today, we are going back to 2020, and this is an interview between Bob Enyart and Dr. Richard Rice, the myth, the legend, Dr. Richard Rice. In 1994, Dr. Richard Rice was one of the co-authors of The Openness of God, and then he went on to write The Future of Open Theism.
Many of you know that we teach on Bob Enyart Live that God is open to the future, that he is genuinely affected and genuinely moved by our actions and by our relationship with him. When we sin against him, it hurts him, but when we praise him, he really is touched by that. Richard Rice, Dr. Richard Rice, he's the man who coined the term open theism.
The idea of open theism is, it goes back very far, but that term open theism, those two words paired together, he is the man who paired these words together. And so this was a big honor for Bob Enyart Live. With that said, let's jump right into the interview.
Greetings to the broadest audience in the country. Welcome to Bob Enyart Live. I'm the pastor of Denver Bible Church.
Back in 1994, a quarter century ago, a new book, Openness of God, was read widely in my circles. Open theism teaches that God can think new thoughts, and the future is not settled but open, in part because God is inexhaustibly creative. I had become an open theist in 1985, and at that time, I didn't realize that one of the authors of this new book, Richard Rice, had written a book with the same title way back in 1980, which was the first book ever published, not on the topic, but with that term, openness in the title of the book, for us on the air at Bob Enyart Live.
Well, let's see, we began defending open theism on the radio in 1991, and then on television with our daily broadcast beginning in 1993, and eventually airing for years daily in 80 cities from Honolulu to Orlando. But this InterVarsity Press Book published in 1994 by five highly qualified authors, Pinnock, Hasker, Basinger, and John Sanders, who became an acquaintance, and eventually though years ago, he and I ended up meeting for breakfast in Chicago. Then the final author, again, Richard Rice.
Well, what an honor to now interview a quarter century after the second book came out, and 40 years after the first. Well, Richard Rice, you've been around for a while. Welcome to Bob Enyart Live.
Thank you very much, Bob. It's a pleasure and an honor to be with you today.
That's very kind of you. Our interview is occasioned by your latest book, just Out, and as many have said, you are well-positioned to write this, The Future of Open Theism. So before we get to the future, you begin with the origins and development of Open Theism.
And we could talk about pre-1994 and really pre-1980. But first, I'd like to ask, what impact did your 1994 book have among Christian theologians and believers in general?
Well, that's a very interesting question, and it leads us to some rather dramatic descriptions. The response of many in the evangelical community was very hostile. What we had to say about God seemed to fly in the face of qualities that had been accepted as applying to God for centuries.
And the idea that God was, well, to use the word that has come to refer to this position, the idea that God is open to the future, that God experiences events as they happen, just outraged a lot of people, particularly those who had the idea that God is in complete meticulous control of everything that happens. And the idea that God would be responsive to the decisions that some of the creatures make, that things could go in different directions, depending on how God and the creatures interacted, that seemed to fly in the face of some fundamental qualities that people attributed to God, such as omniscience, absoluteness, and timelessness. So those traditional qualities that theology had attributed to God for centuries seemed to be threatened by this new development.
And it was met with a great deal of resistance. And I don't think hostility is too strong a word to use.
No, I don't think so either. Almost a decade later, John Sanders was defending himself down the road from here in Colorado Springs at the Broadmoor, the annual meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society. I was down there with Pastor Bob Hill of Derby School of Theology.
It was an extraordinary day. And as I recall, John survived by the skin of his teeth. And Clark Pinnock fared much better.
But John Sanders, he did hang in there.
Yes, John faced serious criticism. And of course, he had to leave the school where he had been teaching and was on a tenure track and wound up down in Arkansas. And he's maintained, I think, a wonderful commitment to the Lord and has maintained his beliefs.
But he went through a very trying time.
Others have also, YWAM, one of the co-founders of YWAM, Youth with a Mission, Lauren Cunningham. He taught, he basically was teaching open theism in the early years and was aggressively rebuked and threatened that if he didn't back off, the powers that be within the evangelical community would work to bring down YWAM and he did back off. I don't know if you know his story.
No, I haven't gotten acquainted with him yet.
Yes. Clark Pinnock, now, he helped to get your first book back into print. Isn't that true only with the new title?
That's correct. I got a letter out of the blue from Clark a couple of years after The Openness of God was published. He said, I had a heck of a time getting your book.
He said, what happened? Was it withdrawn? I told him there were some questions about its publication once it came out.
The original publishers thought they would withdraw it, but then decided not to. And then eventually when it sold out, well, that was it. So Clark actually was Canadian, had to get a copy from the Library of Congress in the United States to get a copy.
And he said he liked the book, he believed it. He wanted to get the message out. When I told him what had happened, he suggested going with Bethany house publishers in Minneapolis.
And so I sent a copy to them and they spent several months looking at it. And then I'll never forget the phone call I got from the managing editor. Her name was Carol Johnson.
And on the phone she said, Richard Rice, we've read your book, we believe its message, we want to get it out to the people.
Wow.
And I was, you can understand why I never forgot that.
Yes.
And so they published it. But evidently, Bethany house is interested in selling books as a way of raising money for their mission endeavors. And they said, nobody knows what the expression openness of God means.
And we want to put a title on it that may attract attention when it's on a bookstore rack or something like that. And so they suggested what I believe was the subtitle of the original book, God's Foreknowledge and Man's Free Will, an issue that lots and lots of Christians have dealt with. And so that was the title under which Bethany house published it.
Wow, that's just super. And that title goes right smack to the core of the issue. Historically, going back to arminius, who you talk about, I'd like to get to in just a moment.
But after hearing that story, Richard, it just reminded me of a letter we got from the president of Thomas Nelson Publishing, one of the largest Christian publishers. And we've been on the air for 30 years, and we've been selling almost all that time, My Life's Work, The Plot, an overview of the Bible. And this letter was incredibly kind.
And he said, I've never received more encouragement to publish a book than for this book, The Plot, could you send a copy? And so, of course, what a thrill. Well, we sent a copy and an acquisition editor read it and he wrote a critique.
And he said, we recommend against publishing this book because it teaches that Israel and the body of Christ are two different covenant peoples. And I thought, boy, that would discount like half of all evangelical literature. But anyway, that was our big shot, Richard, and it didn't come through, but it was exciting.
So, congratulations on your publishing history and the impact you guys have made. So, beyond the theological world, how about filtering down through pulpits and Bible studies and small groups? What is your assessment of the current state of open theism?
Is it more well known than it was in 1980?
Oh, yes, of course. I mean, it was it was a title I came up with. I think I had read a book by a Catholic scholar as part of my graduate education, The Openness of Being.
And so that expression openness came to me and I thought, well, that would be a nice way to to talk about God. You mentioned the five of us who contributed to the Symposium volume that came out in 1994. And it was Clark who decided we hadn't come up with a title.
The general position was known as three-will theism. But Clark Pinnock suggested, you know, I've always liked the title of Rice's original book, the original title, The Openness of God. It doesn't have any theological baggage.
It wasn't associated with any particular position.
Right.
And he said it has a kind of a positive ring to it. So let's go with that. And that's how the 94 volume that has acquired so much attention got the title.
All right. We had, before our group came upon your 1994 book, we had read Elseth's, Did God Know? That came out in 1977, Chapter 8, has it?
The title, God Lives in Time. Very interesting book. And the fact that the term open theism, Dr. Rice, Dr. Richard Rice has come from your book.
What an honor. You know, I've lived so much of my life now, 35 years promoting open theism. And to get to talk to the guy who came up, who coined the term, thank you for that.
This is really exciting.
Thank you. I sometimes feel my, my contribution to religious thought and theological scholarship is putting together two words. That pretty well sums it up.
You asked an interesting question a moment ago about the way in which it's sort of played out in different circles. The theological community, at least among conservative Christians, has been quite resistant, at least in places. However, the idea that God is interacting with us and sensitive to what we're going through and responsive and caring and so forth on an ongoing basis has a great deal of appeal to, I think, the general public, to, we might say, Christians in the pew who are wondering how their lives are related to God and how God is related to them.
And this notion that God is immediately responsive to what we say and do and what we're going through in our lives. And of course, you can imagine in the current situation we're in, how much that would mean to people. So a lot of not necessarily theologically trained individuals, but we might say, I don't want to say average or run in the mill, but I mean, Christians who are day to day worshiping and wanting God to be a part of their lives.
A lot of them has said, this makes sense to me.
Well, yeah. And one of the main questions asked when believers start to study theology is that even in Sunday school, they will say, well, then why pray? Why pray if everything is inexorably going to happen, even to an Arminian who let's say he has, as we now have, we have seven sons, we now have seven grandchildren.
But an Arminian would say that whether one or seven of those kids go to heaven or hell or a mixture, even though they believe in man's free will, they would say that inexorably from eternity past, it has been known which of my children, great grandchildren will go to heaven or hell. So open theism has to me, it's restored a robust relationship from God to his creatures and from his creatures back to God. Dr. Rice, do you have a favorite term, a neutral descriptive term for the non-open theist Christian theologies, like one term that would include Calvinism, Arminianism, Molanism, the beliefs that claim the future is not open.
We've got a favorite term. Do you have a term for all those groups that are not open theist?
Let me put it this way. I think the idea that God is in complete control, that nothing that happens is in any way a departure from the way God wants things to be has a lot of appeal. I wouldn't deny that.
The question then is not is that impossible or is that somehow diminishing God? It's just to say that God had a choice between choosing that kind of world or one where there would be creatures responding to God and interacting with them on an on-going basis. So it was it was God's choice to create a world that included creatures who would participate with God in achieving God's purposes rather than planning it all.
Could God have done it the other way? I think the answer is yes. The question is did God do it that way?
And the evidence seems to point as open theists take the position. God made the choice to create a world containing beings who had the capacity to respond to God on the basis of their own decisions to participate willingly with God in pursuing God's objectives. And that meant that if they chose tragically to go against God's will, well, then God would respect the choices they made.
Now, I haven't given a short answer to your question.
No, well, that's awesome. God wanted beings who could love him. And it seems that requires the ability to not love him.
He wanted creatures who could obey him. And that seems to require the ability to disobey him. A term that we use, Dr. Rice, is we call it, we think it's neutral.
We call it the settled view.
The settled view. Oh, I think that's a nice term. I think it's important to notice, there are certain things in life that we want to go exactly the way they have because we're relying on them.
I want an automobile that does exactly what the salesperson said it would do. The brakes work reliably, the accelerator works reliably. You get the picture here.
I want some parts of my life to be completely reliable. I want to turn on lights and have them come on or hit light switches and all of that. But that's not the way in which we relate.
Say you have seven sons. My hunch is that you have not in every single respect, had every single son done exactly what you wanted that person to do.
Of course, absolutely not.
Now, why if the ideal is to have everything under your responsibility or everything within your responsibility, operate with mechanical obedience, exactly what you wanted to happen, you would not have a family. Well, there must be other values and other objectives that people have because we thrive on interpersonal relationships. Yes, it would be-
Having people do what you tell them to do.
It would be like an author of a book who has a relationship with the characters in his book, but no actual real family and friend relationships. That would be terrible. When I first read the Bible cover to cover, I became a Christian September 1973, and I bought an easy to read version of the Bible, so I could try to read it real quick.
I'm a teenager and I had this impression of what the Bible would say. I was shocked. When I went through, I thought God's people throughout the Bible would do everything God wanted them to do.
It'd be this perfect pristine story, and it was really a catastrophe. I mean, God is having the victory through it all, but the story itself, the main characters, the discouragement, the sin, and yet God is able to take our ashes and turn them into joy. So that idea, I could relate to because when I first read the Bible, I thought, okay, everything is going to fit in beautifully, concisely, perfectly, and it turns out reality was real messy.
Exactly. I think messy is a good word for it. God achieves God's objectives through a complex process of interacting, and this means that God is alternately delighted with the response of the creatures to his hopes and plans for them, and deeply disappointed when they go another direction.
And as you pointed out, you can't read, you can't get the biblical narrative in its dynamic quality without seeing that kind of interaction, where God is not in complete rigid control. So, you know, I mean, when the Israelites wanted a king, God's reaction, you know, Samuel said, that's going to be a big mistake. God said, you know, we're right on, you're right about that.
But if they're going to insist on it, we're going to go ahead with it. So, I think what we see is that, that God, I don't want to, I want to be very careful about saying, lets things happen. I don't think God just lets things run, but God gives creatures freedom to make decisions.
And this is a very important part of that. It's not just selecting A rather than B or vice versa. It's also letting the consequences of their choices play out.
If people really have freedom, they not only make a decision, but the results of those decisions are experienced over time. So that's what happens when it comes to the course of human history. But what's interesting is, God responds to these events, even the ones that are disappointing to God, in ways that can move toward the fulfillment of God's purposes.
because He's omni-competent. He's able to bring about a victory, regardless of what kind of opposition He is facing. So many of our opponents in debates, and even high-profile theologians over the many years, they have come to us as though we are saying that God is completely incompetent, He's completely powerless, He's completely ignorant, and it is such a persistent effect, Dr. Rice, that our opponents have a very hard time debating what we are asserting the Bible teaches, and they create a straw man.
Your book has two parts, the origins and development of open theism and the themes of open theism. I'd love to ask you about arminius, because you quote him and it really encourages me that he was pretty honest about the difficulty he saw in the scriptures with his theology. You've written this whole book, you might not recall, you might recall arminius talking about the difficulty with God's exhaustive foreknowledge, if in fact there are free will agents whose lives involve contingencies.
That's right. arminius maintained the traditional view of absolute foreknowledge. God knows everything that's going to happen.
He didn't know how to relate that to his view that we were genuinely free. But I've pulled out some reference here to the articles of remonstrance that those who followed arminius developed after he had passed away. And one was, well, they were conditional election, unlimited atonement, deprivation, resistible grace, assurance, and security.
The Senate of Dort, which is the classic Calvinist expression, came about with the canons of Dort, and they came up with the five points of Calvinism, which are better known than the articles of the Arminian group that met before. And they affirm total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of the saints. Wow.
Now, it's interesting. You and I have both looked at the biblical material, and we've said it's very hard to apply, as arminius did, very hard to apply the classical notion of God as timeless, the future is completely definite to God's standpoint with what we read in the Bible. And it's interesting, Clark Pinnock said he became a Christian, I believe, after he was, I think a teenager, as I recall, and it was in a Calvinist theological setting, and so he accepted Calvinism.
But he said, I was reading, particularly the latter part of the New Testament, where there's a strong concern about Christians who might fall away and lose their faith. And he said, that seemed to conflict with the idea that there's the perseverance of the saints. You know, once you're in, you're in.
And it's unconditional. There's no possibility you would lose that. He couldn't put that together with the urgent appeals that you find in the New Testament letters and in the Book of Hebrews, for example, and where they're talking about...
Hebrews and Peter especially, right?
No, exactly. The importance of remaining steadfast. And he said, well, that that element of Calvinism slipped away.
And then it was sort of a domino effect. One by one, they, they all had to change. Now, I would like to suggest an analogy here that brings together, in my view, the strong points of both positions.
And the analogy is that of what it takes to be a very good parent. Now, you, if I raised one son, he's, we have a wonderful relationship. He's professionally successful, a very loving father to his children.
But we had our times during his teenage years. But I, I've come to the conclusion, it takes two different kinds of qualities to be a really good parent. On the one hand, a good parent needs to be consistent.
Consistent that is constant in his or her commitment to the welfare of the children. Dedicated to the objectives of having them become successful and responsible adults and so forth. And that never changes.
And a concern, a sensitivity to what they're going through at any time, that never changes. But I think a good parent has to be flexible. It has to be, a good parent has to be able to decide, should I, would this be more helpful or would that be more helpful?
If something goes wrong in my child's life, how do I respond to that and so on? So a good parent needs to be both consistent. Some things never change, but also flexible.
So some things may change. So maybe a promise that was made can't be fulfilled.
Oh, yeah. If we say to our kids, tomorrow we're going to the beach, and then one of the kids does something that's so terrible, that we realize we cannot go through with that promise without hurting our child, because we can't let him experience this great blessing after he's done such a terrible thing. So sometimes, in order to stay consistent with the principles of being a good parent, you have to say, we're not going to do that because of what you've done.
And then if they say, oh, so you lied, then they get another spanking. That's our perspective. Could I quote to you from your own book, Dr. Rice, you mentioned arminius and wow, what a quote he admits that he doesn't have a good explanation for this.
He writes, the knowledge of God is eternal, immutable and infinite and extends to all things, both necessary and contingent. But I do not understand the mode in which God knows future contingencies, and especially those which belong to the free will of creatures. He that he is being honest there in a way that many of those we debate, we so wish they would be just honest with the implications of their theology.
Well, I think you may be right. I think there's a commitment to the two, a commitment to one side of the qualities that make for a good parod, if we can sort of, I don't want to run analogies into the ground. God is consistent.
God is reliable. God never changes in certain aspects. There's always been a God.
There always will be. God's love is unconditional and so forth. But this doesn't mean that God can't create a world where creatures are capable of interacting with God.
And there's a sense, I believe, in which if we think about power, there's a power to determine things that will happen exactly the way they do, but there's also a kind of power that means responding to things in a creative, resourceful way. And I believe that that kind of power is in many ways superior to just sort of the rigid, my plan will inevitably be fulfilled because I'm the only one who decides it.
Oh, absolutely. And not only the flexibility, but then the humility in the Book of Revelation, the banner under which the victory is won is that of the lamb that was slain. How could you have a more perfect picture of meekness and gentleness than a lamb that was slain?
And here is God the Son. jesus says at one point in the Gospels, he says, now listen to what I'm about to tell you. The Son of Man is going to be taken by wicked men and offered up.
He said, listen to this. He became the Son of Man and he humbled himself. And that is the antithesis of something that can never change and is only power, is only power and is only immutability.
That's humility and wow, is that a change to become a man and then to offer up your life for those who would be saved.
Oh, it's, it's remarkable. And of course, that's the central object of Christian faith. God was manifested in that life of service and self-sacrifice more vividly than anywhere else in human history.
And so we get the picture of jesus who came not to be served, but to serve and give his life as a ransom for many, as Mark says. And so I think it's consistent. I think we need to look at the history of Christian thought and realize that there was an influence in Greek philosophy on early Christian thought.
They wanted to identify the significance of God as opposed to any sort of creaturely reality and so forth. And so they were influenced by, I don't want to say they bought into the idea, but the idea that there is a supreme reality above the created world or above the phenomenal world, which is absolute and unchanging, was very attractive. And so that was the view of God that had an immense influence and it's kind of exerted its influence all through history.
Well, this was the chapter that was written by John Sanders in your 1994 book.
Exactly.
On the history, the pervasive influence of Greek philosophy on Christian theology. And that's what we call the omnis and the ems and immutability and immovability and impassability and omniscience and omnipresence.
And I would say, yeah, they're all true if they apply to one aspect of God. This is why I want to make a distinction between God's essence and God's experience. And to refer to the analogy I just made, there are things about a good parent that will be unchanging throughout a child's life.
But there are other aspects that will be changing.
So, sure, with our father in heaven, it's his righteousness is unchanging, right? But humility, what he did for us. So arminius in his struggle, and I know we're about out of time, but it seems like the part of theology that he was struggling with was what John Sanders wrote in your 1994 book, The Openness of God.
It basically came from the Neoplatonist Aristotelian ideas that the Greek philosophers had boiled down to some very simple basics. What we have long said is that the Reformation broke with Rome, but not with Greece.
Interesting way to put it. But I think there's an expansive way of looking at these different qualities so that, yes, God is as changeless as the Greeks insisted, but in a part of God's reality. But there is another part.
So I like, there is another part that is infinitely changing, constantly changing. I like the way that Clark Pinnock in one of his titles, it's a send up of Aristotle's definition of God or the definition associated with Aristotle. God is the unmoved mover.
It is God who accounts for everything else being in motion and the world that we see and so forth. It's God that gives that world some stability and that generates it, but God is unmoved. Clark Pinnock's title was the most moved.
I love that.
I thought it was great because it says God in God's infinite sensitivity to absolutely everything is generically different from anything else. All of our experience is partial. God's experience is all encompassing and it includes everything.
So that's, shall we say, as distinguishing a characteristic of God's reality, it applies to the divine transcendence just as well as God being unmoved. And I think God is unmoved in certain important respects.
In some ways, but when the scriptures begin, as the Bible reveals to us who God is, and we have, you just quoted from the Greek philosophers through all the classical theologians who have written about the immovability of God, that God cannot be moved. They're quoting not Moses, not the scriptures, but Aristotle, because Genesis begins saying that God moved over the face of the waters. And at least that should give you some pause to think, am I really going to support a doctrine that says that God cannot move, or even that he cannot be moved, because the Bible shows us that our worship can touch his heart, and our prayers can move his hand, and am I going to follow Aristotle, the way I think Thomas Aquinas wrote 13 commentaries, not on Paul's epistles, but on Aristotle.
Am I going to follow Aristotle or Moses? And so this influence from Greek philosophy seems enormous to us, Dr. Rice. We are out of time.
Is it possible, I hate to put you on the spot and ask you on the air, is it possible we could continue and hit more highlights from your book on another interview?
I think we could. Let's talk about it and see what we can work out.
Okay, that's wonderful. And you will be retiring from your teaching career at Loma Linda University there in Southern California. So congratulations for that part of your life's work also, Dr. Rice.
Well, thank you. And thank you for the enjoyable conversation we've had.
Well, here too, what a joy. And again, this is Pastor Bob Enyart of Denver Bible Church, our website, kgov.com, and also opentheism.org. One of our elders, Will Duffy and I, have created that site years ago, and it hosts many exciting debates, and a list of verses, 750 verses from the Bible in 33 categories, establishing that the future is open because God is free.
God is able to think new thoughts, and he is inexhaustibly creative. May the Lord bless you. This is Bob Enyart.
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In this enlightening episode, we delve into the formidable power of praise, especially during life's tumultuous storms. With heartfelt insights, Adrian Rogers draws from the narrative of King Jehoshaphat to illustrate the potent force that worship holds in overcoming adversities. As adversaries loom large, infusing intentional praise between strategic actions becomes a beacon of hope and a source of divine energy that confuses and defeats enemies.
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Pastor, teacher, and author Adrian Rogers has introduced people all over the world to the love of Jesus Christ and has impacted untold numbers of lives by presenting profound truth simply stated. Thanks for joining us for this message. Here's Adrian Rogers.
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Second Chronicles chapter 20. The message tonight is a serious message, but a helpful message, and it deals with praise. It deals with praising God IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE. THE TITLE OF THE MESSAGE, THE POWER OF PRAISE. NOW PRAISE IS A VERY POWERFUL THING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN ENJOY THE CHRISTIAN LIFE WITHOUT PRAISE. IT'S PRAISE THAT JUST INFUSES THE JOY AND LETS THE JOY BEGIN TO FLOW. IF YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH JOY, IT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PRAISING THE LORD. NOW BE HONEST, HOW MANY FOLKS ENJOY SPORTS, FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? LET ME SEE YOUR HAND. THAT'S MOST OF US, MOST OF US. IF THAT'S A SIN, I PLEAD GUILTY. I REALLY DO, I ENJOY WATCHING SPORTS. I ENJOY WATCHING FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL, ESPECIALLY FOOTBALL. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN MY FAVORITE TEAM IS PLAYING, AND, AND SOMETHING WONDERFUL HAPPENS, I MEAN, THERE'S A SPECTACULAR CATCH OR SOME INCREDIBLE PLAY, SOME, SOMETHING THAT IS JUST STUPENDOUS, I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. I MEAN, EVEN IF I'M WATCHING BY MYSELF, JOYCE CAN HEAR ME IN THE OTHER END OF THE HOUSE. I JUST HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. UH, I, IF, IF, IF WE SCORE OR WHATEVER, I HAVE TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, OR THAT'S GOOD, OR WOW, OR, YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIKE, DON'T YOU DO THAT? DO YOU DO THAT? YOU JUST, AH. IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING WHEN IT'S HAPPENING, YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THAT GAME IS GOING TO BE GREATLY DIMINISHED. TRY IT SOMETIME. JUST TRY SITTING THERE AND WATCHING A BALL GAME AND DON'T EXPRESS YOURSELF. JUST WATCH IT. DON'T SAY ANYTHING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. YOUR JOY, YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THAT GAME WILL DIMINISH. SOME FOLKS SIT HERE IN CHURCH, BLESS ME IF YOU CAN. THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT. IF THEY DO, IT'S GREATLY DIMINISHED. YOU GET INTO IT. BEGIN TO PRAISE. BEGIN TO LAUGH. BEGIN TO SAY AMEN. BEGIN TO NOD YOUR HEAD. PARTICIPATE. GIVE GOD THE GLORY. THE JOY WILL START TO FLOW. QUIT JUST BEING A NON-ENTITY IN A SERVICE LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, IT, IT HELPS TO PRAISE IN TIME OF JOY AND, AND, UH, PRAISE BRINGS JOY. AND IT HELPS TO PRAISE IN TIME OF HELP. WHEN YOU'VE, WHEN SOMEBODY'S DONE SOMETHING FOR YOU, LEARN TO PRAISE THEM. GIVE HONOR TO WHOM HONOR IS DUE. THERE'S POWER IN THAT.
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A WOMAN TOLD A PREACHER, SHE SAID, THAT WAS A WONDERFUL SERMON. He said, well, praise the Lord. She said it wasn't that wonderful. Just praise one another. And praise God when God has done something for you. Give Him thanks. But one of the ways and things we need to do, one of the things we need to do and one of the ways that we need to praise is to praise in time of trouble. AND I WANT YOU TO SEE HERE IN A CLASSIC PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WE'VE LOOKED AT, BUT WE MUST NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, SECOND CHRONICLES CHAPTER 20, SECOND CHRONICLES CHAPTER 20. AND I, FIRST THING I WANT YOU TO SEE IS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL A POWERFUL FOE, A POWERFUL FOE. LOOK, VERSES ONE AND TWO, AND IT CAME TO PASS AFTER THIS ALSO THAT THE CHILDREN OF MOAB, and the children of Ammon, with them other beside the Ammonites, came against Jehoshaphat to battle. And there came some that told Jehoshaphat, saying, There cometh a great multitude against thee from beyond the sea on this side, Syria, AND BEHOLD, THEY THAT BE IN HAZARZON, HAZARZONTAMON, WHICH IS ANGEDDON." NOW HERE IS KING JEHOSHAPHAT, A GOOD KING. HE LOVES THE LORD AND HE'S TOLD, YOU'VE GOT SOME ENEMIES OUT THERE. THERE ARE THREE POWERFUL KINGS THAT ARE COMING AGAINST YOU. THE INHABITANTS THERE OF AMAM AND MOAB AND MOUNT SEIR HAVE COME AGAINST YOU. WE MIGHT AS WELL MAKE UP OUR MIND AND REAFFIRM THE, THE TRUTH THAT WE HAVE THREE MIGHTY KINGS THAT COME AGAINST US ON A REGULAR BASIS, SIN, SORROW, AND DEATH. THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS' THREE GREAT FOES, THE WORLD'S THREE GREAT FOES, SIN, SORROW, AND DEATH. AND WE'RE FACED WITH THEM TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO NUMBER ONE, A POWERFUL FOE. EVERY ONE OF US WHO LIVE THE CHRISTIAN LIFE WILL MEET OPPOSITION FROM TIME TO TIME, AND SOMETIMES THE OPPOSITION WILL BE FIERCE. NUMBER TWO, NOT ONLY WAS THERE A POWERFUL FOE, BUT THANK GOD KING JEHOSHAPHAT MADE A POSITIVE FOCUS. LOOK IN VERSE THREE, AND JEHOSHAPHAT FEARED AND SET HIMSELF TO SEEK THE LORD AND PROCLAIM TO FAST THROUGHOUT ALL JUDAH. HE SET HIMSELF TO SEEK THE LORD." NOW GOD FOR JEHOSHAPHAT WAS HIS FIRST THOUGHT, NOT HIS LAST RESORT. JEHOSHAPHAT SAID, THE ENEMY'S OUT THERE, BUT GOD IS UP HERE, AND I AM GOING TO SEEK THE LORD WITH ALL OF MY HEART. A POWERFUL FOE CAUSED HIM TO HAVE A POSITIVE FOCUS. HE SET HIMSELF TO SEEK THE LORD. AND NOT ONLY WAS THERE A POSITIVE FOCUS, BUT THERE WAS A PROCLAIMED FAST. LOOK IF YOU WILL IN VERSE THREE, THE LAST PART, AND HE PROCLAIMED A FAST THROUGHOUT ALL JUDAH. AMERICA IS SICK. IT IS TIME FOR THE CHURCH OF THE LORD GOD TO SHARPEN HER FOCUS and proclaim a fast to seek God. It is not that by fasting we buy God's blessings. God's blessings are always by grace, but yet God does business with those that mean business. And when we have a positive focus, fasting just simply sharpens the focus. It causes us to think about God in a way that nothing else that I know of does. NOW THE NEXT THING I WANT YOU TO SEE IS A, A PURPOSEFUL FELLOWSHIP. LOOK IF YOU WILL IN VERSE FOUR, AND JUDAH GATHERED THEMSELVES TOGETHER TO ASK HELP OF THE LORD. EVEN OUT OF ALL OF THE CITIES OF JUDAH THEY CAME TO SEEK THE LORD. EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER TO SEEK GOD. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN AMERICA IF IN ALL OF THE CITIES OF AMERICA PEOPLE JUST GOT TOGETHER TO SEEK THE LORD, BLACK AND WHITE, BAPTISTS, ASSEMBLY OF GOD, METHODISTS, PRESBYTERIAN, LUTHERAN, PENTECOSTAL, WHOMEVER WANTS TO, WHOMEVER WILL, TO COME TO SEEK THE LORD, A PURPOSEFUL FELLOWSHIP. AND WHEN WE COME TO SEEK THE LORD, HE SHOWS UP. FOR OUR LORD SAID, WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM. AND WHEN WE COME TOGETHER, NOT TO TRY TO HEAL RACISM, NOT TO TRY TO SOLVE POVERTY, NOT TO ENTERTAIN OURSELVES, NOT TO, UH, GET AMERICA DELIVERED FROM HER ENEMIES, BUT WHEN WE COME TO SEEK THE LORD, TO SEEK THE LORD, TO SEEK THE LORD, WE WILL BE IN ONE ACCORD AND THEN WE WILL BE FAR ABLE, FAR BETTER ABLE TO ATTACK ALL OF THESE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH. BUT WE CANNOT BYPASS THE ONE THING THAT WE MUST DO AND GOD HELP US THAT WE WILL DO IS TO COME TOGETHER TO SEEK THE LORD, TO SEEK THE LORD. LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT IT. VERSE THREE, AND JEHOSHAPHAT FEARED AND SET HIMSELF TO SEEK THE LORD. THE LAST PART OF VERSE FOUR, THEY CAME TO SEEK THE LORD. IT WAS A PURPOSEFUL FELLOWSHIP TO SEEK THE LORD. NOT POLITICAL, NOT SOCIAL, NOT RACIAL, BUT SPIRITUAL, COMING TO SEEK THE LORD, A PURPOSEFUL FELLOWSHIP, VERSE FOUR. AND THEN THERE WAS A, A PRAYERFUL FAITH. AND NOW I WANT TO READ ON THROUGH VERSE 13, LOOK AT IT. AND JEHOSHAPHAT STOOD IN THE CONGREGATION OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD BEFORE THE NEW COURT, AND SAID, AND I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO THIS PRAYER. BEFORE I READ THIS PRAYER, I WANT TO SAY THIS. THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM, IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU PUT YOUR EYES UPON GOD, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTER AND THE NATURE OF GOD. AND IN THIS PRAYER THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE, WE'RE GOING TO FIND FIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NATURE OF GOD. AND WHEN A PROBLEM COMES, YOU NEED TO GLANCE AT YOUR PROBLEMS AND GAZE AT YOUR GOD. I WANT YOU TO SEE THE PRAYER THAT JEHOSHAPHAT PRAYED. NOW DON'T JUST GLANCE OVER THIS. DON'T JUST GLAZE OVER THIS. DON'T JUST GO THROUGH THIS CARELESSLY. BECAUSE THERE ARE FIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NATURE OF GOD THAT ARE IN THIS PRAYER THAT GREATLY ENCOURAGED ME WHEN I LOOKED AT IT. FIRST OF ALL, JEHOSHAPHAT SAW GOD AS A SOVEREIGN GOD. LOOK IN VERSE SIX AND SAID, O LORD GOD OF OUR FATHERS, NOW LISTEN TO THIS, ART THOU NOT GOD IN HEAVEN? AND RULEST NOT THOU OVER ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE HEATHEN? AND IN THINE HAND IS THERE NOT POWER AND MIGHT, SO THAT NONE IS ABLE TO WITHSTAND THEE? QUESTION, CAN THE PORNOGRAPHERS WITHSTAND GOD? CAN THE LIQUOR DEALERS WITHSTAND GOD? CAN THE BABY BUTCHERS WITHSTAND GOD? CAN THE SODOMITES WITHSTAND GOD? NO. THERE IS NONE. THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS, YOU RULE OVERALL. THERE IS NOT POWER AND MIGHT SO THAT NONE IS ABLE TO WITHSTAND THEE. AND IT'S ABOUT TIME WE BELIEVE THAT. PEOPLE GOING AROUND WRINGING THEIR HANDS, SAYING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S NO PANIC IN HEAVEN. AND I CAN TELL YOU ALSO THAT THE HOLY TRINITY NEVER MEETS AN EMERGENCY SESSION. YOU SAY, WELL, PASTOR, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM, ALL RIGHT? I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU HAVE. I MEAN THE VERY BIGGEST. THEN I WANT YOU TO DOUBLE IT. THEN I WANT YOU TO DOUBLE IT AGAIN. THEN I WANT YOU TO CO, COMPARE IT TO ALMIGHTY GOD AND TELL ME THAT YOUR PROBLEM IS TOO BIG FOR GOD. LISTEN, JEHOSHAPHAT BEGAN TO PRAY, AND FIRST OF ALL, HIS PRAYER WAS ADDRESSED TO A SOVEREIGN GOD. SECONDLY, VERSE SEVEN, IT WAS ADDRESSED TO A STEADFAST GOD. NOW LOOK AT VERSE SEVEN, ART NOT THOU OUR GOD, WHO DIDST DRIVE OUT THE INHABITANTS OF THIS LAND BEFORE THY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND GAVEST IT TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM THY FRIEND FOREVER? WHAT DOES HE SAY? HE SAID, GOD, YOU MADE A PROMISE TO ABRAHAM. YOU SAID TO ABRAHAM, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS LAND AND IT IS YOURS AND IT IS YOURS FOREVER. AND NOW, LORD, THIS BUNCH IS COMING TO TAKE AWAY FROM US THAT WHICH YOU GAVE US. AND, LORD, WE ARE STANDING ON YOUR WORD AND WE'RE PRAYING ON THE BASIS OF YOUR PROMISE. YOU ARE A STEADFAST GOD. YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT YOU SAID TO ABRAHAM. YOU'RE SAYING TO US AND WE'RE STANDING ON YOUR WORD. GOD IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVERMORE. AND THE GOD WHO HAS WORKED MIRACLES IN THE PAST IS THE GOD WHO CAN WORK MIRACLES TODAY. AND DON'T YOU INSULT GOD BY SAYING, WE CANNOT HAVE REVIVAL IN THIS DAY AND IN THIS AGE. IT'S AN INSULT TO GOD BECAUSE GOD IS STILL POWERFUL. HE STILL HAS POWER TO SAVE MULTITUDES, TO SHAKE CITIES, AND TO SEND REVIVAL. STUDY THE HISTORY OF REVIVAL. AND GOD HAS SENT REVIVAL IN DARK DAYS BEFORE, AND GOD CAN AND GOD WILL, IF WE WILL TRUST HIM, SEND REVIVAL TODAY. HE IS A SOVEREIGN GOD, HE IS A STEADFAST GOD, AND HE IS A SYMPATHETIC GOD. LOOK IN VERSES EIGHT AND NINE AS WE CONTINUE TO READ, AND THEY DWELT THEREIN, AND HAVE BUILT THEIR SANCTUARY THEREIN FOR THY NAME, SAYING, IF, WHEN EVIL COMETH UPON US, AS THE SWORD, JUDGMENT, AND BY THE WAY, AMERICA IS UNDER JUDGMENT, JUDGMENT OR PESTILENCE, AMERICA HAS PESTILENCE, IT'S THE AGE PESTILENCE, OR FAMINE, WE STAND BEFORE THIS HOUSE AND IN THY PRESENCE, FOR THY NAME IS IN THIS HOUSE, THAT IS, THEY'RE PRAYING ON THE BASIS OF GOD'S GLORY, AND CRY UNTO THEE IN OUR AFFLICTION, THEN THOU WILL HEAR AND HELP. IS THAT UNDERSCORED IN YOUR BIBLE? IT IS IN MINE. THEN THOU WILL HEAR AND HELP. I LOVE THAT. THE GOD WHO HEARS AND THE GOD WHO HELPS. HE IS A SYMPATHETIC GOD. IF WE CRY TO HIM, HE WILL HEAR AND HE WILL HELP. HE WILL HEAR, HE WILL HELP. HE IS A SOVEREIGN GOD. HE IS A STEADFAST GOD. HE IS A SYMPATHETIC GOD. THE BIBLE SAYS IN ALL THEIR AFFLICTIONS HE WAS AFFLICTED. HE'S TOUCHED WITH THE FEELING OF OUR INFIRMITY. Then next, He is a seeing God. Look, if you will, in verse 10, "'Now behold,' that is, Lord, take a look. "'Now behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, "'whom thou wouldest not let Israel invade, "'these, Lord, that you protected "'when they came out of the land of Egypt, "'but they turned from them and destroyed them not. "'That is, we showed mercy to them. "'Behold,' I say, how they reward us.' TO COME TO CAST US OUT OF THY POSSESSION WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN US TO INHERIT." NOW WHAT'S HE SAYING? HE'S SAYING, GOD, TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THIS. JUST BEHOLD IT. YOU SAY, DO I HAVE TO TELL GOD TO LOOK AT WHAT HE ALREADY SEES? YES. DO I HAVE TO ASK GOD FOR WHAT HE KNOWS I ALREADY NEED? YES. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT OUR PRAYER THAT GETS GOD'S ATTENTION AND CAUSES HIM IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE FOCUS ON. HE IS A SEEING GOD. AND TWICE, GOD IS ASKED TO BEHOLD THIS. VERSE 10, AND NOW BEHOLD. VERSE 11, BEHOLD I SAY. HE IS THE SEEING GOD. GOD KNOWS YOUR SITUATION. HE KNOWS YOUR ENEMY. HE KNOWS YOUR DANGER. HE KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. HE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING THIS VERY MOMENT. AND THAT HELPS US WHEN WE PRAY. THERE'S NOTHING THAT ESCAPES HIS NOTICE. NOT ONLY IS HE A SEEING GOD, BUT HE IS THE SAVING GOD. LOOK, IF YOU WILL, IN VERSES 12 AND 13, O OUR GOD. BY THE WAY, THESE ARE TWO OF THE GREATEST VERSES IN THE CHAPTER. O OUR GOD, WILT THOU NOT JUDGE THEM? FOR WE HAVE NO MIGHT AGAINST THIS GREAT COMPANY THAT COMETH AGAINST US, NEITHER KNOW WE WHAT TO DO. BUT OUR EYES ARE UPON THEE. AND ALL JUDAH STOOD BEFORE THE LORD WITH THEIR LITTLE ONES, THEIR WIVES, AND THEIR CHILDREN. OH, GOD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRENGTH. BUT, LORD, OUR EYES ARE ON YOU. HERE ARE OUR WIVES. HERE ARE OUR CHILDREN. HERE ARE OUR LITTLE BABIES. LORD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY'RE COMING AGAINST US. GOD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRENGTH. HOLLYWOOD IS GREATER THAN WE ARE. THE LIQUOR PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE. THE MEDIA SEEMS TO BE AGAINST US. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. BUT GOD, OUR EYES ARE ON YOU. HMM. IF WE GO DOWN, WE'RE GOING DOWN WITH OUR EYES ON YOU. IF THEY KILL US, THEY'RE GONNA KILL US WITH OUR EYES ON YOU. LORD, YOU ARE THE GOD WHO CAN DELIVER US. YOU ARE THE SOVEREIGN GOD. You are the steadfast God. You are the sympathetic God. You are the seeing God. You are the saving God. AND SO WHAT THEY DID, FRIEND, THEY JUST CAME TO A PRAYERFUL FAITH AND BEGAN TO PRAY, NOT ON THE BASIS OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT ON WHO GOD IS. NEXT THING, NOT ONLY A PRAYERFUL FAITH, BUT A PROPHETIC FACT. NOW THEY'RE PRAYING, AND WHEN THEY PRAY, GOD BEGINS TO SPEAK AND ANSWER. BEGIN NOW IN VERSE 14. And upon Jehaziel, the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the Lord in the midst of the congregation. And the Lord said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou King Jehoshaphat. Thus saith the Lord unto you, BE NOT AFRAID NOR DISMAYED BY REASON OF THIS GREAT MULTITUDE, THE BATTLE IS NOT YOURS BUT GOD'S. OH! OH! THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT! THE BATTLE IS NOT YOURS BUT GOD, A PROPHETIC FACT. NOW THEY'RE PRAYING. THEY'RE SEEKING GOD. THEY'RE SAYING, GOD, WE HAVE NO MIGHT. WE HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. BUT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE SET OURSELVES TO SEEK YOU. WE'VE GATHERED TOGETHER TO SEEK YOU. WE'VE PROCLAIMED TO FAST TO SEEK YOU. AND GOD THEN BEGINS TO MOVE. AND GOD BEGINS TO SPEAK. AND GOD TAKES A SPIRIT ANOINTED PREACHER TO BRING A MESSAGE. THANK GOD THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES ANOINT. THANK GOD FOR SPIRIT-FILLED MESSENGERS. AND THE MESSENGER SAID, HERE'S THE MESSAGE FROM GOD. HERE IS THE PROPHETIC FACT THAT WE NEED TO SEE ONE MORE TIME. VICTORY BELONGS TO GOD. THE BATTLE IS NOT YOURS, BUT GOD'S. NOW, THE PROPHETIC FACT BRINGS US TO THE POTENT FORCE. AND WHAT IS THE POTENT FORCE? WELL, BEGIN NOW IN VERSE 16 AND READ THROUGH VERSE 22. HERE'S WHAT THE MAN OF GOD SAID. HERE IS WHAT THE PROPHET SAID. TOMORROW GO YE DOWN AGAINST THEM. BEHOLD, THEY COME UP BY THE CLIFF OF ZIZ, AND YE SHALL FIND THEM AT THE END OF THE BROOK BEFORE THE WILDERNESS OF JAPAN. Ruel, and ye shall not need to fight in this battle. Set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the Lord with you, O Judah and Jerusalem, FEAR NOT, NOR BE DISMAYED. TOMORROW GO OUT AGAINST THEM, FOR THE LORD WILL BE WITH YOU.' AND JEHOSHAPHAT BOWED HIS HEAD WITH HIS FACE TO THE GROUND. AND ALL JUDAH AND THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM FELL BEFORE THE LORD, WORSHIPING THE LORD. AND THE LEVITES OF THE CHILDREN OF THE KOTHITES AND OF THE CHILDREN OF THE KORHITES STOOD UP TO PRAISE THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL WITH A LOUD VOICE ON HIGH. BY THE WAY, IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOUD MUSIC, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT HERE. THEY BEGAN TO PRAISE THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL WITH A LOUD VOICE ON HIGH. AND THEY ROSE EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND WENT FORTH INTO THE WILDERNESS OF TO, UH, TECHOA. AND AS THEY WENT FORTH, JEHOSHAPHAT STOOD AND SAID, HEAR ME, O JUDAH, YE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM, BELIEVE IN THE LORD YOUR GOD. AND BOY, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THESE GREAT STATEMENTS IN HERE. BELIEVE IN THE LORD YOUR GOD, SO SHALL YOU BE ESTABLISHED. BELIEVE HIS PROPHETS. SO SHALL YE PROSPER. GOD RAISED UP A PROPHET AND GOD SAID, BELIEVE HIM IF YOU WANT TO PROSPER. AND WHEN HE HAD CONSULTED WITH THE PEOPLE, HE APPOINTED SINGERS UNTO THE LORD, THAT THEY SHOULD PRAISE THE BEAUTY OF HOLINESS. AND THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT PHRASE. SINGERS UNTO THE LORD, THAT THEY SHOULD PRAISE THE BEAUTY OF HOLINESS, AS THEY WENT OUT BEFORE THE LORD, AND TO SAY, PRAISE THE LORD, FOR HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER. AND WHEN THEY BEGAN TO SING AND TO PRAISE, THE LORD SET AMBUSHMENTS AGAINST THE CHILDREN OF AMMON, MOAB, AND MOUNT SEIR, WHICH WERE COME AGAINST JUDAH, AND THEY WERE SMITTEN. FOR THE CHILDREN OF AMMON AND MOAB STOOD UP AGAINST THE INHABITANTS OF MOUNT SEIR, UTTERLY TO SLAY AND TO DESTROY THEM. AND WHEN THEY'D MADE AN END OF THE INHABITANTS OF SEIR, EVERY ONE HELPED TO DESTROY ANOTHER. AND WHEN JUDAH CAME TOWARD THE WATCH TOWER IN THE WILDERNESS, THEY LOOKED UNTO THE MULTITUDE, AND, BEHOLD, THERE WERE DEAD BODIES FALLEN TO THE EARTH, AND NONE ESCAPED." NOW WHAT IS THE POTENT FORCE? THE POTENT FORCE IS PRAISE. NOW, THE PROPHET OF GOD SAID, THE BATTLE IS NOT YOURS, BUT THE LORD'S, BUT YOU HAVE A PART, AND YOUR PART IS PRAISE, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIDE UNTIL IT'S ALL OVER. NOW A LOT OF US WOULD HAVE SAID, NOW GOD, WHEN IT'S ALL OVER, HUH, WHEN WE HAVE THE VICTORY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO PRAISE YOU FOR THE VICTORY. BUT GOD SAYS, OH NO, THE BATTLE IS MINE, THE BATTLE IS, IS NOT YOURS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIDE UNTIL IT'S OVER, AND, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRAISE, ON THE FRONT END, NOT AT THE REAR END. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRAISE AT THE BEGINNING, NOT AT THE CONCLUSION. YOU CAN'T PRAISE AFTER IT'S OVER, BECAUSE IT WON'T BE OVER UNTIL YOU BEGAN TO PRAISE. I WONDER, HAVE YOU LEARNED TO PRAISE GOD IN YOUR PROBLEMS? YOU SAY, I CAN'T PRAISE GOD IN THE MIDST OF MY PROBLEMS. WELL, THEN GO AHEAD AND LIVE WITH HIM. LET'S GO AHEAD AND LIVE WITH HIM. BUT FRIEND, IF YOU WILL DO WHAT THIS WONDERFUL TWENTYTH CHAPTER OF SECOND CHRONICLES TEACHES US TO DO, YOU CAN PRAISE AND SEE GOD MOVE. DID YOU KNOW WHAT PRAISE IS? PRAISE IS FAITH EXPRESSING ITSELF. THAT'S ALL PRAISE IS. PRAISE IS JUST FAITH TURNED INSIDE OUT. NOW, WE, WE COME TO GOD, WE MUST ASK GOD. THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID. THEY CAME AND THEY ASKED GOD, THEY SAID, GOD DELIVER US, OUR EYES ARE ON YOU, HELP US. THAT'S PETITION. BUT PETITION MUST BE MARRIED TO PRAISE. PETITION SAYS PLEASE, PRAISE SAYS THANK YOU. BUT PRAISE SAYS THANK YOU ON THE FRONT END. SEE, PRAISE BRINGS GOD INTO IT. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT PASSAGE OVER THERE IN PSALM 22 VERSE 3, WHERE GOD OCCUPIES THE PRAISE OF HIS PEOPLE? WHAT IS GOD'S ADDRESS? WHERE DOES GOD LIVE? PRAISE IS GOD'S ADDRESS. WHEREVER THERE'S PRAISE, GOD SHOWS UP. GOD OCCUPIES THE PRAISE OF HIS PEOPLE. THE TWO WINGS OF POWER ARE PETITION AND PRAISE. NOW, LET ME TELL YOU TWO THINGS PRAISE WILL DO. I LOVE IT. AND IT'S RIGHT HERE IN VERSES 16 THROUGH 22. HERE'S TWO THINGS PRAISE WILL DO. PRAISE INFUSES THE ENERGY OF GOD. NUMBER TWO, PRAISE CONFUSES THE ENEMIES OF GOD. PRAISE INFUSES THE ENERGY OF GOD. PRAISE CONFUSES THE ENEMY OF GOD. WHEN YOU BEGIN TO PRAISE, GOD'S ENERGY JUST BEGINS TO FILL YOU. IT INFUSES YOU WITH ENERGY AND POWER BECAUSE GOD IS IN THAT PRAISE. AND WHEN YOU BEGIN TO PRAISE, NOT ONLY IS THAT PRAISE VERY HEALTHY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT IS THE AMBIENCE, THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT OCCUPIES, BUT SATAN IS ALLERGIC TO IT. SATAN BREAKS OUT WITH HIVES. When you begin to praise God, Satan gets confused. Now here are these enemies. Here are the inhabitants of Ammon and Moab, Mount Seir. And they're all coming against one enemy, against Israel. And here goes the army of God. And they're just going against the enemy. And they're singing the battle hymn of the Republic. And they're singing victory in Jesus. And they're singing what a mighty God we serve. AND SATAN GOES BANANAS. I MEAN, THEY TURNED ON EACH OTHER. THEY BEGAN TO KILL ONE ANOTHER AND DESTROY ONE ANOTHER. THEY GOT IN ABSOLUTE CONFUSION. PRAISE FRACTURES THE UNITY OF THE ENEMY. AND PRAISE FORMULATES THE UNITY OF THE BELIEVER. Oh, how we need to be bound together, praising the Lord God. What a potent force is praise. It infuses the energy of God. It confuses the enemy of God. And so there's a potent force. And now what happens? Well, look, if you will, in verse 25. There is a provided fortune. And when Jehoshaphat and his people came to take away the spoil of them, THEY FOUND AMONG THEM IN ABUNDANCE BOTH RICHES WITH THE DEAD BODIES, AND PRECIOUS JEWELS, WHICH THEY HAD STRIPPED OFF FOR THEMSELVES MORE THAN THEY COULD CARRY AWAY. AND THEY WERE THREE DAYS IN GATHERING OF THE SPOIL." IT WAS SO MUCH. NOW HOW ABOUT THAT FOR A SWITCH? HERE THEY HAVE AN ENEMY. THIS ENEMY LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO DESTROY THEM. YOU SAY, OH GOD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THEN GOD, AS THEY SEEK THE LORD IN FASTING AND PRAYER, GOD SENDS THEM A MESSAGE. THEY OBEY THE MESSAGE. THEY BEGAN TO BELIEVE GOD AND PRAISE GOD. THE ENEMY IS PUT INTO CONFUSION. AND NOW THEY'RE LEFT WITH ALL THIS BOUNTY, THESE SPOILS. TREASURE. FOR THREE DAYS THEY'RE TRYING TO LOAD IT UP AND CARRY IT OFF. IS GOD'S MESSENGER BOY. YOU SAY, WHY DOESN'T GOD KILL THE DEVIL? DID YOU KNOW THAT GOD USES THE DEVIL? IF WE WILL BEGIN TO PRAISE THE LORD, THE DEVIL WILL BECOME OUR SERVANT TO ENRICH US. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN IN SPIRITUAL BATTLE, AND I GUESS I'VE BEEN IN SPIRITUAL BATTLE ALL MY LIFE. SOMEBODY ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY, HE SAID, ARE YOU UNDER PRESSURE? I SAID, I DON'T KNOW. I don't know, I've never been any other way. It's like the woman didn't know her husband was drinking until one day he came home sober. I mean, I've just been under pressure, I guess. I don't know whether it's pressure or not. I just live this way. I'll tell you one thing. There have been some times when I've been under pressure, pressure. There have been some times when, I mean, it's really, really, really been tough. EVERY ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN I'VE TURNED TO THE LORD, NOT ONLY HAS HE BROUGHT ME THROUGH, BUT HE'S MADE ME RICH EVERY TIME, EVERY TIME. I HAVE COME OUT WITH BOTH HANDS FULL OF RUBIES AND DIAMONDS AND EMERALDS AND GOLD. AND THOUGH I WOULDN'T CHOOSE IT, I WOULDN'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR IT, For the way that what the enemy meant for evil, God used for good. And David cut Goliath's head off with Goliath's sword. And God takes that which the enemy means against us for evil. AND GOD USES IT FOR HIS GLORY AND HIS GOOD. GOD WANTS TO DO THAT FOR BIBLE BELIEVERS IN AMERICA. AND WHAT WE THINK ARE CALAMITOUS THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THESE DAYS, IF WE WILL SET OURSELVES, SET OURSELVES, SET OURSELVES TO SEEK GOD IN FASTING AND PRAYER AND PRAISE, WE'LL SEE GOD DO A MIRACLE IN AMERICA. AND I'M, FOR ONE, I'M HUNGRY TO SEE IT HAPPEN. AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, HUH, NOBODY'S GONNA GET THE PRAISE BUT JESUS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET TO PRAISE BEFORE IT HAPPENS. AND IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S A PROVIDED FORTUNE. VERSE 25, AND THEN VERSES 26 THROUGH 30, A PEACEFUL FUTURE. LOOK IF YOU WILL IN VERSE 26 HERE, AND ON THE FOURTH DAY THEY ASSEMBLED THEMSELVES IN THE VALLEY OF BARAKA, FOR THERE THEY BLESSED THE LORD. THEREFORE THE NAME OF THE SAME PLACE WAS CALLED THE VALLEY OF BARAKA UNTIL THIS DAY. THEN THEY RETURNED EVERY MAN TO JUDAH AND JERUSALEM, AND JEHOSHAPHAT IN THE FOREFRONT OF THEM, TO GO AGAIN TO JERUSALEM WITH JOY. FOR THE LORD HAD MADE THEM TO REJOICE OVER THEIR ENEMIES. AND THEY CAME TO JERUSALEM WITH SALTRIES AND HARPS AND TRUMPETS UNTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD." WHAT A DAY THAT MUST HAVE BEEN. AND THE FEAR OF GOD WAS ON ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THOSE COUNTRIES. WHEN THEY HAD HEARD THAT THE LORD HAD FOUGHT AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL. SO THE REALM OF JEHOSHAPHAT WAS QUIET, FOR HIS GOD GAVE HIM REST." ROUND ABOUT, A PEACEFUL FUTURE. DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE ENEMIES LOVED HIM, THEY STILL HATED HIM. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS? THE BIBLE SAYS, WHEN A MAN'S WAYS PLEASE THE LORD, EVEN HIS ENEMIES WILL BE AT PEACE WITH HIM. DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL LOVE HIM, THEY'RE JUST AFRAID OF HIM, JUST AFRAID OF HIM. WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL AGAIN IF, IF, IF THIS WORLD WERE AFRAID OF THE PRAYERS OF GOD'S PEOPLE? WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL AGAIN IF THEY SAY, DON'T TOUCH THEM, THEY'RE HOLY PEOPLE. DON'T MESS WITH THEM, GOD IS WITH THOSE FOLKS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR US TODAY, THEY LAUGH AT US, THEY MOCK AT US, AND WELL THEY OUGHT BECAUSE WE DESERVE IT. BUT FRIEND, I WANT US TO COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEY SAY, DON'T, DON'T MESS WITH THEM, GOD IS WITH THEM. AND WHEN A MAN'S WAYS PLEASE THE LORD, HE MAKES EVEN HIS ENEMIES TO BE AT PEACE WITH HIM. WELL, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO. WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN AGAIN? I WOULD. NOW, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET FRIGHTENED NOW, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU TEN FACTS. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT. I'M JUST GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHORT. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS, HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO. LISTEN TO ME NOW. NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO SEE ALL SATANIC OPPOSITION AS OPPORTUNITY. GOT IT? SEE ALL SATANIC OPPOSITION AS OPPORTUNITY. THAT'LL PUT A DIFFERENT FOCUS ON IT. NUMBER TWO, SEEK GOD, SET YOURSELF TO SEEK GOD BEFORE YOU TAKE ANY ACTION. NUMBER THREE, REMEMBER THOSE TIMES WHEN YOU SEEK GOD THAT HE HAS SHOWN HIMSELF FAITHFUL IN THE PAST AS JEHOSHAPHAT DID. THINK BACK ON OTHER TIMES WHEN HE DELIVERED YOU. NUMBER FOUR, BEGIN TO STUDY THE WORD OF GOD FOR A PROMISE ON WHICH TO STAND. NUMBER FIVE, LET THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD MAKE THAT PROMISE REAL AND LIVE IN YOUR HEART. NUMBER SIX, REFUSE ANY CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER IN THE FLESH. NUMBER SEVEN, GIVE YOURSELF TO FULL, FREE, UNRESTRAINED, OPEN WORSHIP AND PRAISE OF THE ALMIGHTY. NUMBER EIGHT, BEGIN TO PRAISE GOD IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION AND IN THE FACE OF THE ENEMY. NUMBER NINE, EXPECT GOD TO SEND CONFUSION TO YOUR ENEMIES. NUMBER TEN, GET READY FOR A BLESSING. GET READY FOR A BLESSING. THAT'S WHAT THIS CHAPTER IS TELLING US.
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Join us as we dive deep into the climate change debate with expert Mark Morano. Explore the real causes behind the recent wildfires in California and unravel the myths surrounding climate emergencies. With insights from renowned reports and debunking common misconceptions, this episode challenges the mainstream narrative on climate change's role in natural disasters. Mark discusses the political landscape of climate policies, addressing how human influence, rather than climate change, is a major player in natural disasters. He highlights the importance of understanding the actual data trends in climate science and cautions against the alarming headlines often propagated by the media. As we examine the historical context of climate variations, we learn that many claims, like those of the hottest years on record, are statistically manipulated for political gain. Furthermore, we explore President Trump's significant actions regarding the Paris Climate Agreement and the broader implications of climate politics in America. From insights into Trump's enduring commitment to an America-first agenda to the ideological battles within the political sphere, this episode provides a comprehensive look at the stakes involved in the ongoing climate debate.
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Is climate change responsible for the LA fires? Was it a good idea for President Trump to take us out of the Paris Climate Agreement? Stay tuned for one of the world's foremost experts and best-selling authors on the ongoing climate debate that affects all of us in many ways real and imagined.
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Joining us to answer these questions is none other than Mark Morano of Climate Depot. That's climatedepot.org. Welcome to Real Science Radio, Mr. Morano.
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Thank you, Fred. Thank you, Doug. Happy to be here. It's climatedepot.com.
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Oh, .com. Gotcha. climatedepot.com. Thank you.
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Yes, I should have caught that, Mr. Morano, because I've used your material for years. Just a fountainhead of good climate information at ClimateDepot.com. Amazing. So glad to have you on. Thank you. By the way, Mr. Morano has appeared on numerous TV shows, including Fox News, CNN, if that's worth mentioning. He was with Bill Nye, the fake science guy. And so, Mark... Is climate change responsible for the fires in Los Angeles?
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Wow. Great question. If you ask Governor Newsom, absolutely. He wants to blame this all on climate change. If you ask the mayor of Los Angeles, absolutely. But here's the thing. You know, if you look at even the United Nations is forced to concede, even the National Climate Assessment under Joe Biden's administration was forced to concede that extreme weather events, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, wildfires, droughts, are either no trend or declining trends on climate timescales of 30, 50, 100 years. So you can always find an extreme weather event if you say like Southwest California or the coast of Florida or this region of Australia. Your chance of winning the lottery, very low. The chance of someone somewhere winning the lottery is very high. So what the media does is with all the extreme weather, including wildfires, shows it all like it's happening, unprecedented, we've never seen it, all nonsense. You know, the same way if you believe more and more people are winning the lottery and everyone's winning and you can see the winners that are featured on TV and look at this, we're covering it. In the case of wildfires, among all the extreme weather events I mentioned, they're probably the least climate influenced. And what I mean by that is they are the most man, human policy influenced on terms of the ground. And I'll get to that in a second. But before I get to just that influence of wildfires is that wildfires themselves are in these UN and all these reports with the extreme weather events, wildfires are down dramatically over the last hundred years. You can go back to 1920s, and this is both globally and in the United States. Precipitous drop, like 80% drop in the incidence and severity. One thing we've learned to do is deal with wildfires as we've developed. Now, What happened in California, in general with wildfires, you're dealing with land use, water diversion, trees, forestry practices, shrub management, emergency response, training of emergency response, early warning systems. Nothing I just mentioned has to do with climate change. So what happened in California, and we have it documented now, 45 minutes. delay for the first fire, which was crucial. We have now the top U.S. Geological Survey scientist came out two weeks ago and said this is not a climate change fire. And it was actually citing a study from 2001 showing that almost 100% of the fires are started by humans. So this was not sparked by lightning. And also California had Record precipitation in recent days. So the idea that it was all dried out and just ready to go isn't accurate either. So that's the situation. This is not a climate change fire. It is a man-made disaster. It is man-made by the misplaced priorities of California. Water diversions, blowing up dams, worried about endangered species, trying to return California to a Garden of Eden. We're not going to develop. Any of these lands, we're going to keep them pristine and pre-human settlement. Well, you have a lot of human settlement, and what happens is you end up screwing the humans there.
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That's so true. There are too many humans settling outside of houses in California. The homeless is a huge problem. And just to prove the point that you just made, in San Diego County just a couple days ago, three fires broke out in the middle of the night. Winds were up in the 60 to 100 mile an hour range, but the firemen put the fires out immediately because San Diego County is not Los Angeles.
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I was in San Diego and that was actually non-woke run and there was no homeless people. I had a friend, I think it was Santa Monica or somewhere just recently, and they're like, I don't understand the big deal about California. The city was, there were no homeless, there was no graffiti, there was no drug use, there was no one. So I said, what city was it? I looked it up. I don't want to get partisan here, but it's just the idea. It's not a woke Democrat. The entire city council was 100% Republican. The mayor was 100% Republican. And I had people marveling like, well, California is not as bad as I heard. This city was beautiful. You know, it really is a mind virus, this idea of woke. It's not necessarily all Democrats. You have people like Michael Schellenberger, who ran for governor. He was a former Democrat. I mean, it's not I'm not making this partisan. It is an ideology, though.
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Yes, it's it's running sane people versus insane people makes a big difference. Absolutely.
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Well, you know, maybe people do cause climate change. You know, wasn't there a Democratic donor that started the Yosemite fire a couple years ago? That's right.
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Yes. And that was a whole thing they tried to blame on that. It turned out a lot of them are budding eco-terrorists. A lot of them are homeless that start these fires. And you have careless campers and hikers and that as well. But this is just, it's maddening to try to link any kind of climate change. There's so many scientists. I have a whole dissection of a chapter in my book, Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, just on wildfires. There's no there there. And it's amazing to see how desperate they are to blame this On climate change, Justin Trudeau did the same thing when they had the Canadian wildfires in 2003. One thing to understand about California is, and this was in the San Jose Mercury News a couple years ago, California droughts, which they always say, unprecedented droughts, no global droughts, no trend, declining trends. Centuries ago, 300 years ago, California had droughts much, much worse than anything they're experiencing today. So if you just look at anything from a geological perspective, if you go back to the first United Nations climate report, the medieval warm period was much warmer than current temperatures. And there was actually a systematic campaign. I worked for the U.S. Senate Environment Public Works Committee. We had a scientist come testify. that back in the 1990s, they said they basically, UN scientists reached out to each other and said, we have to get rid of the medieval warm period. How can we sell a climate crisis when it was warmer without SUVs and coal plants? And lo and behold, by 2001, they literally went back and erased the past. Now, and they made it so that the medieval war period was erased. And now you just had a flat line and suddenly the 20th century because of mankind's SUVs and our appliances that we went through the roof. This is how they play the game. And think of it like an accounting firm accused of financial fraud. They go, no, no, no. Believe me, we don't need anyone to go to jail. We're not going to dissolve. We hired a new accountant. We redid all the books. We have record profits now. We're doing great. No problem here. Nothing to see. Move along. That's what the UN did with temperature data.
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Well, and you know, that that brings to mind a question I wanted to ask. How is it that 2024 is being sold as the warmest year ever?
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I have a whole chapter in my book on that. I worked in the U.S. Senate. We dealt with all this firsthand. This is statistical bulls**t. Now, just think for a second. Remember COVID, the case counts? They wanted to get everyone tested and they had all these ridiculous tests that even if you had no symptoms, somehow you were positive. And then, of course, the death rate if you died. We had coroners testifying from Colorado that motorcycle gunshot accident victims were listed as dying from COVID. The same kind of statistics. where they then tie that to mask mandates and lockdowns. We had one professor who actually said it brilliantly. Tying COVID lockdowns or mask mandates to COVID case counts is similar to tying them to phases of the moon. There's just no there there. What they've done in the same topic with the global average temperature. It's based on in part thermometer data, but in part on thermostats that don't exist and filling in the gaps and the statistical averaging, which sort of smooths everything out and they can literally adjust as they want to. Before I answer directly, I just wanted to say with this temperature data, thermometers didn't come on. online basically until 1870, 1880. When was that, historically speaking? That was at the end of the Little Ice Age when the New York Harbor was frozen over, the Thames River was frozen over, we had brutal cold. So thermometers coincidentally went online with a warm-up since the end of the Little Ice Age. So that's an important point to make. What they've done, and they began this around 2005, 2006, around the time of Al Gore's film and the UN report and the whole cap and trade and all that stuff is all weaponized. They've claimed that we've had the hottest year on record. Then we went for like 18 and a half years with no warming whatsoever, according to the data. And that freaked them out. So what did they do then? They did the same thing the UN did. They went back and adjusted the data and said, yeah, global warming pause no longer exists. What they've done with these hottest year declarations, they claim hottest year from year to year difference of hundreds of a degree Fahrenheit. That is within the margin of error for adjustments of tenths of a degree. It's a political way of saying basically the temperature hasn't changed much at all, but we're going to highlight these imperceptible statistical differences and claim it's an unprecedented climate emergency. It's bulls**t. Even the head of NASA, James Hansen, at one point said, these aren't really particularly important, but... scientifically, but they're important politically because the idea is they time them as well to these UN summits. And I just got back in November from Baku, Azerbaijan to the United Nations summit. 23 hours of traveling, by the way, to go. There's only about four dissenters there, four climate skeptics bothered to even show up.
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Do they cancel your carbon credit card? Do they cut you off?
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Actually, what they were doing was the first day of the conference, multiple speakers featured calling for the end of meat consumption, global meat taxes. So I did a series of videos that went viral at the UN summit in the restaurants and food court. They were serving hot dogs, chickens, beef, and the lines were huge. They had a vegan booth, and there were two people in it, this huge empty booth. So they weren't even following their own advice about meat consumption. It was a fraud.
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That's real reporting, Mr. Moreno. I saw that. That was brilliant. That was well done.
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On the ground, yeah. I've been to 21 out of the last 23 of these UN summits. And I'm going this year is going to be in Belim, Brazil, which is in the heart of the Amazon rainforest. So I may have to get some bug spray. Again, I've been there before for different conferences, and this is, I've done an Amazon documentary. Amazon pre-climate change was the exact same thing. 90% of the forest was intact. They claimed using computer models and all this nonsense, X amount of football fields a minute are disappearing from the Amazon. It's going to disappear. They had all the footage of like bulldozers and the sad animals. I interviewed the environmentalist down there who threw down the travel book saying, bull, this is back in the 90s. Bull. that's not happening and it turns out by 2005 the sting rainforest concert stopped with all the hollywood celebrities it's actually where i first met and interviewed donald trump was at a sting rainforest concert in 19 either 98 or 99 he just went as a new york you know yeah figure it wasn't really involved in the issue but he just showed up and i interviewed him as he's walking in but The gist of it is by 2005, the New York Times reported that the Amazon and rainforest in general were now becoming least endangered because of sustainable forestry practices. They can now log a forest and within five to seven years, you can't distinguish log forest from the original forest and plant and animal species. And because of big reason, people are leaving the jungle, moving to cities, they're going to urban areas. And so the jungle is reverting back. So that whole scare campaign that went for decades, faded away and was replaced in mass by climate change.
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So speaking of Trump, what's your thoughts on his withdrawal of the US from the Paris Climate Agreement?
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Well, interesting. It's the greatest thing he could do, but he's got to do more than he did last time. What I don't want to see is a yin-yang. From Obama, Trump. Trump, Biden. Biden, Trump. We can't keep doing that. So there's a way out for this. First of all, it's fantastic. You know why you know it's good? Big oil. People always say, oh, I'm funded by big oil. My answer is, what oil company is going to want to fund me? I trash ExxonMobil. I trash all of the big ones because they're all in on the climate agenda. They all want carbon capture. They want government subsidies. Just today, it was Bloomberg. I think it was Reuters. News came out. All of the big oil is upset that Trump's pulling us out of the U.N.-Paris agreement. Why? Because they want a seat at the table. Yeah, no, the table needs to be upended. Oh, I don't want to sit at the table. But this just goes to show you, you know what else big oil wants? I went to the American Petroleum Institute meeting last week just as a... freak show to watch it and people, oh, you're an oil lobbyist. Believe me, they wouldn't give me a cent. I was actually treated rudely. People who I'd known for decades gave me like the brush off because they know I'm against their agenda. But their vice president of operations told me, well, we don't want a repeal of the Inflation Reduction Act, the greatest boondoggle in U.S. spending history. We need surgical repeals. Why? Because they're going to suck down the government teat of carbon capture. So, and of course, when Donald Trump 1.0, his first term, had Rex Tillerson, the former Exxon CEO, first action is to go up to the Arctic and sign a UN climate declaration. He's the one that urged Trump to stay in the UN Paris Agreement back then, and Trump got out. What Trump needs to do is, he's already withdrawn formally, but he needs now to submit the UN Paris Agreement to the United States Senate as a treaty. It should be rejected, and even the Democrats will have to reject it because it's not good for America. They've never been tested. And then it gets kicked out of the system. The next president can't just put us back in. They're going to have to have a Senate vote. This will get us out of the mess that the pathetic Republican President George H.W. Bush got us into in September 1992 when he flew down to the Rio Earth Summit a month or two months before losing to Bill Clinton. So the Republican Party would appear green and he signed the Rio Earth Summit Treaty, which led to the Change Network, which led to sustainable development. All of this usually starts with bad Republicans. And that's kind of redundant because other than Trump, they're pretty much all bad Republicans. Sorry. Don't expect anything from Speaker Johnson. He's a pathetic uniparty toady. If he wants to be the boy for Donald Trump and just take orders. Great. We'll take him. But don't let him off any kind of a leash. He will go straight uniparty every single time.
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Yes, and he's already proven that. Thank you for pointing that out.
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But I don't know about replacing him because you're going to replace him with the same crap anyway. If you can control the guy, I guess he can stay. Let's put it that way.
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If anyone can, probably Donald Trump can now. So since... I remember with Obama, the seas were supposed to recede and the temperatures were supposed to decline. And somehow that did not happen. But somehow nobody blames Obama for that. Oddly enough, it still goes on. So can we expect or let me just put it this way. Do you expect. that Donald Trump actually has some sincere beliefs about the climate bamboozle and that he'll do something solid to disassemble it.
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Oh, absolutely. You can go back to the night. I think it was 1989 when he was on Oprah Winfrey. The core values of Donald Trump have always been America first against globalism. against this idea that we are going to be beholden to international bureaucrats. And the climate agenda just screams at Donald Trump's strengths. He does not want to be beholden to the World Health Organization, which declares climate change an existential threat to the World Economic Forum, to the United Nations. And he has every action he's taking is dismantling it. I'm just looking for permanence this time. He's got to have make it so that it's extremely difficult for the next president, should they be Republican or Democrat, to try to get us back into this. And that was the failing first time around Donald Trump's first term. He just didn't go far enough. He pulled us out of U.N. by the time we actually formally got out. There was like two weeks left or maybe there was like six weeks left. in his presidency. This time, again, he's got to do stuff with permanence, and it's hard. And I like what he's doing, you know, with trying to cut budgets, but, you know, a Republican Congress, I'd say last time around, Donald Trump had a one-third cut in the EPA budget. The first time he submitted it, it was dead on arrival in the Republican Congress. So the real problem Donald Trump's going to face is the uniparty, and it's Republicans and Democrats who don't want to, and I'll even go a shocking step further. And I have to be careful how I say this, but his three picks in climate energy, Chris Wright, who's an awesome CEO of Liberty Energy from Colorado for Energy Department, Doug Burgum for Interior, and Lee Zeldin for EPA. All three, under Senate questioning, caved and gave into the narrative of climate change. You know, climate's a problem. We need a global solution. And it was vomit-inspiring. And why? Because if we're going to defeat this climate scam once and for all, you've got to be able to go to the country club. You've got to be able to go to the cocktail parties. You've got to be able to go to the PTA meetings. You've got to be able to say it in school, at university. You've got to be able to say it in the grocery store aisles. You can't pay lip service because that means you're still supporting it intellectually and morally and everything else if you're afraid to say it. Which tells me, not so much Chris Wright, but Doug Burgum, personal friend of Bill Gates. Bill Gates was his first campaign contribution. He's a former Microsoft executive. He's praised Bill Gates' work publicly. He's all in on net zero. He loves carbon capture from North Dakota where he's a governor. Lee Zeldin is a very weak Republican on climate, New York Republican. He's on footage, a film, I believe it was Showtime, it's called Years of Living Dangerously, as caving in to the climate activists on camera in his office and joining the Republicans Coalition Climate Solutions Club. I'm not saying they won't work out, but what I'm saying is they have not renounced their past. They're very politically expedient. and they're going along right now and they're afraid they're thinking of their future viability within the uniparty that's what i say and that worries me because that tells me right off the bat epa and interior are not going to be that activist they're going to do the very minimum which is what you would expect among uniparty under trump and it brings me back to my main thesis is this is a time of great caution we should be celebrating and i am but I was a volunteer in Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1980. My older brother worked on the campaign inaugural committee, and I would volunteer every Saturday doing Governor Reagan's audio clips. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. Anyway, throughout the 80s, I witnessed all these great allies of Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, Howard Baker, and it turned out none of them were conservative. None of them were like Ronald Reagan. They all proved themselves to be establishment, uniparty members. We are witnessing potentially that now. I've already mentioned three cabinet members, but I'll even go so far as to say J.D. Vance has to be watched. Five years ago, he was all in on the climate scam. He was all in on solar wind subsidies. He called Donald Trump Hitler not that long ago. Now, hey, he's all with it because it's popular and it raises money and everyone's happy. Vivek Ramaswamy, same way. I don't know if I trust him. Elon Musk, I've never really trusted, but I appreciate what he's done for free speech. So I'm just saying to people, Don't let the blinders take over. Donald Trump, I believe we can trust. Past that, I'm struggling to give you names of who we can trust.
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Okay, well, I'm encouraged to hear that we can trust Donald Trump to be against the climate hysteria.
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because he's been assassination attempts, because he's been FBI raids, because he's been threatened with jail. I truly believe the man's sincere. You can see it in the change in his behavior. He seems like he's matured and grown up. He's not the same Donald Trump as even six months ago. He just seems so commanding and presidential. It's like, wow. I mean, this is I like this new Donald Trump.
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Yeah. So where, you know, this climate hysteria.
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Sorry, I got off track on a lot of different topics there. Oh, no problem. Good stuff.
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Yeah. So, you know, you get this climate brainwashing that's happened. They start with our youth. Do you have any recommendations or anything we can do about it? Because, you know, everybody I know who's like under the age of 30 is like, oh, yeah, climate change. We've got to do something about it. You hear from everybody.
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Yes. And that's go back to his three top climate energy picks. Now you have your liberal professor, your second-grade teacher. Well, even Trump's nominees say climate's a problem that needs a global solution, and they're not deniers. So, of course we're going to teach the kids, even the Trump. That's what I'm saying. It's so corrosive to have these guys at the top of their game, terrified to stand up to the climate narrative. Anyway, having said all that, with kids. They're indoctrinated from kindergarten through college, and it's unbelievable insidious. It's permeated in the textbooks. It's permeated in all the Hollywood and the videos. It's permeated in the whole teen online culture, although there's been a great rise in recent skepticism on Instagram and these different social media platforms that TikTok and other things that kids can watch. So I think... It's shown that when you have a strong leader like Donald Trump, first of all, that calls it climate change scam and says it was invented to benefit China and we have all this fun. It has a huge impact. There was this whole idea that the young, it's been overstated, first of all, the impact of all that propaganda, because at some point you just tune it out. The exit polling showed that the climate youth that they were expecting to show up didn't show up for Kamala Harris. And that actually among that age group, it split pretty evenly. So there is no brainwashed, at least let me rephrase it. The extent of the brainwashed youth movement was nowhere near as much as we had feared or the other side had hoped because youth broke. And I think a lot of that was the UFC and Dana White and Joe Rogan getting a lot of the males and young men involved in the campaign. It's a great question. And I think parents, that's why I wrote the book, Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change. It's an A to Z compendium. And I actually have a whole chapter devoted to that. But there's also groups out there now that are doing alternative textbooks, or I shouldn't say textbook. They're alternative curriculum for parents, particularly for private school, homeschool, that stuff. It's not going to fly in almost every public school. Teachers unions aren't going to allow anything that challenges that. I've testified at the Common Core curriculums. In different states, most notably West Virginia, where they were going to say there's no dissent. We actually had small victories there where the state of West Virginia would only allow core curriculum to teach certain things and ban some other stuff they considered propaganda. So the biggest thing is parents have to be engaged in the education of their kids and scour those textbooks because they're usually just absolute drivel.
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I've heard you recommend. The best thing to do is take them out of the public schools.
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Yeah, you can. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. I mean, not anyone can afford private school. It's not practical always to do homeschooling, but it's.
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Yeah, I don't let anybody off that easy. No, my wife came from Japan. She didn't even speak English. We homeschooled all three of our kids. Not nearly as hard. You have no excuse to put your kids in the government schools. I'm sorry. I don't let anyone get by with that. And so and Mr. Moreno, I want to I appreciate the fact that you've given us. A yardstick. How can we judge this? And a stick. We need a yardstick and we need a stick and we need to keep these people in line. It's a scam. It's hysteria. It's communism dressed up in green. That's all. And the fact that we have a president that's willing to say that, hopefully that's a step in the right direction that we finally have some bureaucrats who he can drag along with him. And we appreciate you helping us understand how to recognize if what's happening is real or not.
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Well, let me just say final thing is I wrote the book, The Great Reset, Global Leaks and the Permanent Lockdown. That was just two years ago, just came out. And the gist of it is this is the global community trying to ration our energy, ration our foods production. They're coming after particularly meat, high yield agriculture. They want to ration it, raise the price. due to the climate, and John Kerry said it was coming here to the U.S. Donald Trump stopped that. And then also our freedom of movement, France banning short-haul flights, CNN proposing carbon passports for our travel, the ban on gas-powered cars. This was the great reset. Food, transportation, energy, and of course our free speech. Donald Trump's election, it could be the most consequential election in our lifetime, surpassing Ronald Reagan or whatever, if you're on the left, maybe you were enamored with Bill Clinton or Obama. This is huge because we are fighting back on all of those fronts, particularly just free speech alone and national sovereignty. And it's unbelievable. I expect a cultural change. And that's what was disappointing about the three picks not standing up on climate. But within a couple of years, look at the 1970s versus 1980s and what Reagan was able to usher in. I think we're seeing the end of. Transgender cult, the critical race theory, diversity, equity, inclusion, and hopefully the climate as well. Culturally, I mean, I'm watching Saturday Night Live is doing unbelievable skits, making fun. They're doing lesbian jokes about Rachel Maddow. I mean, I don't think you would have seen that a month ago or two months ago. Stalking stuff. That's what I mean by cultural stuff. We might actually return to a culture that appreciates free speech and cancel culture can go away. So this is just huge is all I can say is Donald Trump's presidency. Let's just hope he continues to success and the pace at which he's been going. It's phenomenal.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thank you for mentioning The Great Reset. I highly recommend that book to everybody. You've got quite a few books that really point to this issue of climate change hysteria, man-made climate change, and just how important it is for our listeners who are not aware of this. This is serious stuff. They want to control the steak dinner you have. Down in Florida, if you want to go on vacation, all of these things, they're a totalitarian worldview thing. And they want to control our lives and all in the name of climate change, man-made climate change that is based on a lot of fake science. You know, Mark, I'd love to have you on again sometime in the future. We can go into a little bit more detail on the science behind all of this. But I thought it was important for our listeners to find out just how serious this issue is. and how important it is to fight climate change. And Mark, you just don't know how greatly I appreciate what you've done. You're a tireless warrior for this. And now you've come on to our show, shared with our audience what's going on. And for decades now, you've been fighting this fake science of man-made climate change.
SPEAKER 01 :
So thank you very much. Thank you, Fred. Thank you, Doug. Thanks a lot.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. We'll keep in touch, Mr. Moreno. God bless you.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'd love to come back.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thanks.
SPEAKER 05 :
All righty, so for Mark Burano and my co-host Doug McBurney, I'm Fred Williams of Real Science Radio. May God bless you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Can't explain it all away.
SPEAKER 1 :
Get ready to be awed by the handiwork of God. Tune in to Real Science Radio. Turn up the Real Science Radio. Keeping it real.
Join Barbara and Darren as they explore the importance of seeking new opportunities and stepping out in faith. Listen to testimonies of individuals finding miracles on their journey and learn how changing your environment can lead to new beginnings and fulfillment in life. Through candid conversations, they emphasize the transformative power of prayer, the necessity to leave comfort zones, and trusting in God's perfect plan for our lives.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I'm delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let's join Barbara in the studio.
SPEAKER 02 :
You will be listening to a Darren Live broadcast today. By the amount of calls and emails I've received, you have enjoyed hearing shows from the past. On this program, Darren and I talk about the negative effect that fear has on a person's life. And we discuss the fact that God has not given you a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind. Thank you for joining us today. approach it as an opportunity to see God at work in your life. As we join the broadcast, Darren is talking about our special friends, Jack and Nancy. Let's join this Encore Darren Live program now.
SPEAKER 06 :
And we've been doing those meetings there for over three years. And we probably should have kept a Tuesday miracle log because we've had so many. And people getting born again, set free, finding new friends. The list could go on and on. And, you know, even Jack was mentioned in the newspaper out in Strasburg.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jack the meter man.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. The meter reader.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was really, really a neat article about Jack. Jack and Nancy are frequent visitors to our class. In fact, not just visitors. They're kind of old timers. But we have a good time and we see people growing in the Lord. And that's so exciting to me to see people that are fighting that great big monster, the big main monster the devil throws against us as that monster called fear. And it's not just called a monster in scripture. It's called a spirit monster.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. And it is sin. When we give into those things, so many of us, we give into fear or we give into anxiety or worry. And I know some people don't believe those are sins, but those are sins. And it says God didn't give us the spirit of fear. And it's because it is so detrimental in our lives. God isn't that kind of God to give us that fear. But he gave us power and love and a sound mind. And Darren, that's such a reassurance. Praise God. I need to apologize. I need to apologize to you and the listening audience. You're speaking to me? Yes, I'm speaking to you. I need to apologize to all of you because yesterday Holy Spirit was nudging me saying, you know, you had a couple of prophetic words for people and he was saying ears, ears. and someone has a problem with their ears, and they just cannot hear. It's either a big vacuum, it's like they're inside of a drum, or it's ringing, or something like that. And I didn't say anything on the show. Of course, we had three calls, and half an hour just goes boom, boom, and it's gone. And so all afternoon, he kept... telling me about ears last night. We get to the meeting and we had such a great time. And I'll tell you, over 50 people came during that. It was windy and cold. I mean, and I'll tell you, I was amazed. We have some really true diehards in the Lord. I just, I love all of you. Praise God.
SPEAKER 06 :
What's your apology?
SPEAKER 02 :
So, and then I get there and during prayer, Holy Spirit is saying ears again. And I didn't do it. And I just ask your forgiveness because I got home and I started reading the envelopes. And one of the prayer requests was, please pray for my ears. I have ringing in my ears. So in Jesus name, I thank you, Father God, that if this person is listening or any of you that have problems with your ears this morning. Put your hand over your ears in Jesus name. I know Holy Spirit wants to heal you because he was nudging me all day yesterday. I asked his forgiveness and he is ready to heal you today. And in Jesus name, I thank you, Father, that you are going by the unction of Holy Spirit to everyone that has a problem in their ears so that they can open their ears, their natural ears in here. And Father God, I ask also that you open their spiritual ears. to hear the word of God. In Jesus' name, thank you for this healing. Hallelujah. Amen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, we also had a marvelous miracle shared with us last night. A lady who received a tremendous miracle in the class probably two months ago has been coming alone by herself the last few weeks because her husband was working night shift. Well, he held up his hand last night. He said, I had a major miracle. I got a new job and twice the pay that I had before.
SPEAKER 05 :
Isn't that great?
SPEAKER 06 :
And, you know, we prayed for things like that, that God would just bring around the best employment possible But he's the type of guy that will go out and ask, make himself available for those openings. And, you know, you can pray and pray in your prayer closet, but some days you have to get out and go out and fill out a job application. You have to go out and make a move. And I have a letter in front of me here, and I'll let you put the name on this guy that you want to put on him. I mean, if you would describe this guy.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, we can just call him Single Guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Single Guy. Okay. In fact, that's the way he signed his letter. Now, I'm not going to tell you whether he's in Garden City, Kansas, Georgetown, Colorado, Carr, Colorado, Otis, Joe's, Raton, New Mexico, down in Canadian, Texas. I'm not going to say where this guy's from, okay? But he's from a small town. Okay, here's what he says. Dear Darren, I'm writing to you because during your show I'm working. I don't always get a chance to listen to your show. I don't have a computer. Now here's my details. I'm 36 years old, a male. I've never been married. I have no kids. That's good. Darren, I'd like to be, well, I mean, you shouldn't probably have kids if you have never been married, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
That's true.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would like a miracle because I live in a small town and all the Christian women here are in high school. Well, he probably should draw a line through that option.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don't think that's the total truth, though, either. I think there are other single women who are Christians.
SPEAKER 06 :
He said, yes, I am a born-again Christian. I want to meet the soulmate of my life. Pray for me. Would you write to me and let me know? Well, instead of writing, I'm going to send him a copy of this tape. But here's what I'm going to say. You know, I've driven up and down I-25 for many, many thousands of miles. I've never seen anybody catch trout in the middle of I-25. Well, you say, how stupid an illustration. Well, no, it's not really stupid. The reason you don't catch trout in the middle of I-25 is there's no trout there.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So if you want to find trout, you're probably going to have to get off the highway and drive up in the mountains and find a stream where there is some trout.
SPEAKER 02 :
And we're not saying there are no single Christian women there, but he just hasn't met them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it sounds like it. But here's my point. If I want to catch catfish and I'm fishing for catfish, I've just got to have catfish. Probably I'm going to have to maybe go to Kansas or down in Oklahoma or down into Texas. I'm going to go down where they have a lot of warm water. If I want catfish, if you're going to catch what you're after, you got to go where they are. That's my point. And I, you know, we have a lot of people talk to us and they give us, they give us, they just think they've got an impossible situation. No, you know, there are no borders there. keeping you from driving to Denver. And there are a lot of single, wonderful Christian ladies here in Denver.
SPEAKER 02 :
Job opportunities are absolutely wonderful. Job opportunities are wonderful. In fact, probably better than in this little town.
SPEAKER 06 :
In this little town. Okay. Also, I know a little bit about Tulsa, Oklahoma. I mean, there's an abundance of singles there, both men and women. And if you're not finding what you're looking for where you are, guess what? Get yourself in the vehicle and get going.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. There's Bible school there, and I'll tell you, there are people that are 45 and 50 going to that Bible school.
SPEAKER 06 :
And some older than that.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I know two men from this exact area where he's from. After graduating from high school, they went to Tulsa, and they found their wives in Tulsa. I mean, we just read here in Genesis, Darren, about Isaac. He didn't have a wife, and Abraham sent the servant to the foreign country, Haran, which was many days east of where they lived. to find a wife for him. Also, Jacob, he ran away from home for fear of his brother Esau, but he found a wife in another country also. So they left home and they found a wife. Now, if you say, well, I can't leave home, then you are limiting God because there's no such thing as I can't. I know I lived in the Greeley area for 40 years. And Darren, when you were talking about moving to Denver, I said, oh, this is home. I can't do that. And God almost had to kick me out of there. But he did. And praise God that he did, because our life has changed. And I'm so fulfilled and satisfied.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you like Denver.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, I love Denver. Yes. A lot of people in like city.
SPEAKER 06 :
We happen to like it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I'm from the country. I was raised on a farm.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, here's what we're saying, folks. Some of you are where you are, and you're complaining because there are just no opportunities. And I would agree with you. In some communities, there are very limited or no opportunities, maybe for marriage or for job, for employment, for advancement. Don't let fear keep you there. You may be in a very comfortable paralytic. Now, I want you to hear me, paralytic loop situation. Some of you are in a paralytic loop in the middle of Denver saying, oh, I just can't find a good church. Oh, I just can't find anybody to fellowship. I can't find anybody to lay hands on me and pray the prayer of faith and put their faith with mine so I can get healed. Or I could find a better job if somebody just agreed. Oh, I can't find any good friends. Hey, try Tuesday night. We have some delightful people on Tuesday night.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, or try so many times in these apartment complexes, there's community centers. Try getting out of your little four walls and meeting the person across the hall or meeting the person down the street. It does take effort on your part. You cannot sit at home, watch television and expect to find somebody or a job or be in fellowship. That is impossible. And so we encourage you. You must make a decision. God has the best for you, but you have to believe that if he sends you somewhere, it's the very best for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I've talked to quite a few people that were doing the loop, and they were paralyzed in their situation. And they said, oh, Brother Darren, would you pray for me? And they'd give me a request, something like this. You know, I need to find a wife, or I need to find a husband, or I need to find a better job. And I have a rather creative mind, so I'd stand there for a little bit, and I'd say, well, have you thought about it? Oh, no, I couldn't. No, no, that wouldn't work. And, you know, you go through six or eight or ten options. And then they got all the reasons why that wouldn't work. And then I walk away saying, well, guess I just found out why it just won't work for them. They're going to be locked in. Or I might tell somebody, you know, you could be healed. Oh, let me tell you about my family. They start giving me their family medical history. And I say, now I know why you're not healed. is you have accepted the limitations of your situation, and that's tragic. That is really, really tragic.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Don't allow the devil to get you in a corner and plaster up all the walls and do all that kind of stuff, and then you tell me, well, I just can't get out of here. Yes, you can. Mm-hmm. Yes, you can. And praise God, we still live in a free country. Bless God. And there are no fences across I-70 or I-25 or I-80. We flew this weekend down to Phoenix, and there weren't any doors on Phoenix keeping us out of there or out of Tucson. And when we got back to Denver, there were no barbed wire fences keeping us out of Denver.
SPEAKER 02 :
Praise God.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, come on, folks. There's a way to change your circumstances, and it might be that you have to put down your pet little idol called fear. Now, I have been there. I know what it's like to feel fearful. I know what it's like to say, well, there's new territory. I mean, could I get a job? Yes, I've driven clear across the country and found a job in a brand-new city.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think it also involves laziness, too, because we get into a rut or we get into a schedule or a routine. And the very idea of getting out of that is just absolutely impossible for us to think about. And because we're so familiar with what we're doing, we can't possibly get into any new adventure or area. And I say, wow, that is that's tremendous to be able to think about. Hey, I'm going to do something brand new that I've never done before and get excited about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you've got to know this, that God is in your town, whether it's a little town, a big town, or a big city. He's there. But he's also down the road and around the bend and over the hill. He's there also. And if you give him a chance, and I look at it this way. When I drive through the farming communities, I look at a grain elevator, and sometimes I see these trucks that drive in for a load of grain. And you know that grain is not going to come out in the middle of the street. It's not going to be half a mile down the other end of town. You have to get under that spout in the elevator for that grain to drop in your truck. Some of you are trying to get God's glory where you are. And God says, look. My glory is going to be on your life and my blessing is going to be on your life 50 miles down the road. And you're going to have to move. If you're going to find that place of blessing, you're going to have to move.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that's what he did with Abraham. That's what he did with Joseph. That's what he did with many, many.
SPEAKER 06 :
Abraham's father was an idol maker. They had to be very wealthy, but God says, Abraham, you're moving. And he didn't have a map. He didn't really know where he was going. He just believed God and went for it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, and he had much more success than if he would have stayed there. Also, I have a verse from Genesis 28, verse 20 through 22, when Jacob had run away from home to go to his uncle Laban's house, his mother Rebecca's brother. And he saw a ladder going down from heaven and angels up and down the ladder. I think that was God telling him, I'm going to take care of you, Jacob. And Jacob said something to God. God, if you will be with me and will keep me on this journey that I take and give me food to eat and garments to wear, and I can return to my father's house in safety, which he did many years later. Then this stone, which I have set up as an altar, as a pillar will be God's house. And of that thou does give me, I will give you a 10th of all that you give me. Now, this is the second time that this tide is mentioned once with Abraham meeting Melchizedek. Now with Jacob, I believe Darren, when we put God first and we say, God, I'm going to get to know you and you're going to bring all of my desires together. If this young man can say, Father God, I'm going to give you the first part of my day. I'm going to make sure that I tithe and I give you what is yours. And I'm going to make sure that my life is congruent, Lord, the way you asked me to do it. Then God will bring the woman in his life. I truly believe that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, I believe this too, Barbara, that many times God just gives us a choice. And let me give you an example. We talked to a lot of people are from North Dakota. So let me pick on North Dakota for a minute. If you don't like real cold winters and real hot summers, you probably shouldn't live in Bismarck, North Dakota. Now, I haven't lived there, but that's what they tell me. They have hot, hot summers and they have real cold winters. Well, guess what? You have a choice. And if you don't like cold weather, why don't you move south? And, you know, God may just be saying, you know, I don't care whether you live in Albuquerque or whether you live in Riverside, California, or whether you live in Tucson, Arizona. I don't really care. Or maybe you want to go down to Brownsville, Texas. I just don't care. But see, I believe that he gives us many times that choice.
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. I've always wondered when there's a great flood along a river or something and all their houses are absolutely flooded. And this doesn't happen just once in 100 years. This happens maybe every 25 or 30 years. Or every 10 years. They've got to rebuild. Or on the slopes of California and their house goes down to the sea and they build there again. I'm going... Are they stupid or something? I mean, I would get up on the shore far away, at least two or three miles away, if I knew that might happen again. And people are, what are they, creatures of habit? They have got to go and rebuild again.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, many people tend their life, I should have, would have, could have, you know, I could have done better, I should have moved, and they didn't move.
SPEAKER 02 :
They didn't move.
SPEAKER 06 :
They didn't move.
SPEAKER 02 :
And they got destroyed, man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, let's talk to, there's a lady on the phone, Pam in North Glen, how are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, Darren. Hi, Barbara. Hi. How are you? Doing good. Great. Last night when I left the meeting, and I was talking to you, Barbara, last night about my husband.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
And a ton of bricks fell on me as I was turning the corner into the driveway. My husband is a reasoner and a planner. And I know you're supposed to ponder. And that's a lot different than reasoning, isn't it?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And... How do I go about praying that reasoning thing away from him?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I believe that Ephesians 1, 17 and 18 is really good. And I would really pray to know that he is, I mean, born again. I know sometimes it's really hard for a wife to sit down with a husband and Honey, do you really know that Jesus is Lord of your life? If you know that, then you can read Ephesians 1, 17 and 18 and pray that for him, that his eyes, the spiritual eyes would be open for him. Because I know you and I have talked about it, that he just doesn't believe in giving to the Lord. And that is a real important part of being a born again Christian. And so we need to ask God to change that mindset that he has, because it is really carnal. It is a carnal mindset that he has. So change those patterns of what he grew up thinking and hungering and thirsting. That's another thing you need to pray for him. Matthew five, six. Oh, good. Good. That's great.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would bless your husband with the thirst for righteousness. And Pam, let me say this to you. I spent several years in college. But if the colleges had the answers, you know, we'd be lined up from here to Boulder trying to break the doors down to get in there. And the answers for mankind are not really found at the mind and the reason level. They're found in the heart. And one reason we have so many metal breakdowns in the United States is we try to reason and we're trying to make the mind do something God didn't create it to do. The mind really needs to be a servant of the spirit. So can I read a little scripture to you? Sure. Okay, in Romans 8.6 it says, For it does not subject itself to the law of God. It's not even able to do so. And those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, that's good.
SPEAKER 06 :
And, you know, we try to get people to have a spiritual identity, and many people try to have a mental identity. They say, above all, I have to reason, I have to think, I have to figure things out, I have to deduct, I have to, you know, all that stuff. And that person is really bound that does that. So I suspect your husband is bound just because he's depending on his mind too much.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's what I see here more and more that I've been home. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So then fear, of course, is right there at the door to paralyze a person's thinking. And this is a scary world. If you don't really trust in God, this is a scary world. Because all you have to do is read just the headlines. If you didn't read the paper, just read the headlines. Just listen to a little CNN news. I mean, you'd freak out. And it's no wonder that there are a lot of people committing suicide today. And a lot of the younger people today are taking that option of suicide. They're saying, hey, the adults haven't figured this out. They've screwed up our world. And I just think I'm just going to check out. And a lot of them do. And that's because they're trying to reason it out, trying to figure it out. And there are a lot of things, very honestly, you just plain won't figure. Know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Now, he won't let you give your tithe, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we go around and around about it. I'm trying to be a submissive wife, which is hard for me to do sometimes. But he's a money handler, and he does it really well. Except for that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Does he do it really well? Yes, he does. Do you have everything that you desire?
SPEAKER 04 :
Um...
SPEAKER 02 :
90% of it, yes. Do you? Okay. I'm saying if you would talk to him and say, could I take the money that I earn and give that 10%? You're not asking him to give you all the paycheck to God, all your paycheck to God. You're just asking for 10% of your paycheck. And let's do an experiment for 90 days.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. I was going to suggest that, but. With me not working for the past couple of months, I know that's a lame excuse.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, but now you are working again, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
I'll be starting here at the end of the week. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I would agree with Barbara there. I believe God will just do things for you.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
Your husband needs to see something.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
God's not beyond being challenged there. In fact, this is one area and only area in Scripture where he says, test me. Try me out. Try me out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Because I think he's a reasoner and he's overwhelmed by that fierce thing going on. We're not going to have enough money.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I tell you what, when you pray for your husband, buy him the spirit of fear.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and bless him with peace and with righteousness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, Pam.
SPEAKER 03 :
God bless you. God bless.
SPEAKER 06 :
We love you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Love you, too. Okay. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let's talk to Seal and Greeley. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm doing pretty good. Good. I've looked into you guys off and on for quite some time, but this is the first time I actually got through when you were actually there. Oh, well, good to know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we're glad you called.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was... I was listening, and I just came out of an appointment and heard you talking about going and getting a job somewhere else and getting out of the four walls. Right. I just wanted to share with you an experience that my husband and I had. We were living in Minnesota, and we were planning our vacation to northern Minnesota. And the night before we left, we really felt like the Lord was telling us to come to Colorado to visit his mother. And so the next day, instead of going to northern Minnesota, we came to Colorado. While we were here, we had been thinking we'd always wanted to move back here so he could be by his mom. And it's been, it was, I think, like 10 years. And while we were here, all of a sudden we thought, you know, Oh, let's see if there's jobs. And we were here for a week. During that week, I called on a job position, got a job. My husband went back, or we all went back. I quit my job that I had. and we moved to colorado did your husband get a job here too yes he did actually he came here on the promise of a job oh and um he didn't even know for sure if he'd get it or not um but if you trust that god is faithful and he is telling you that that's where you need to be um all it's going to work out exactly so has he taken care has he taken care of you Oh, yes. I mean, it did take time for my husband to get here because we had to sell our other home. But we had time to see each other like we met in between for a couple months. But the good thing was within two weeks of my husband getting here, Here, we bought a new home.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, praise God.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I think it was just the timing, because the people whose home that we bought had been thinking about selling their home, and so God wanted to place us in the place where we were.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And He didn't want us to get a different home, so there were other things that had to fall in line. So it's really been wonderful.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good.
SPEAKER 03 :
We've been working and doing... Well, actually, now I'm a stay-at-home mom, so... God's blessing us tremendously because we listen.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, that's right. And you obeyed. You did more than listen. Shema. That word Shema is in Deuteronomy 6.4. And it's a Hebrew word meaning listen with the intent of obeying. That's what you did. That's what you did.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I was listening yesterday with Dr. Zodiati.
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It was so wonderful. And I had always wanted a Hebrew-Greek study Bible. I had Dr. Sodiatis, and I gave it to my pastor because he'd always wanted one, and I just gave it to him as a gift.
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Well, you blessed your pastor.
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So do you have one? No. Well, I got a cheap one, and it wasn't the same one. I didn't realize that. I thought I was getting the same one, and I don't like it as much, but... It'll work until I can get a different one.
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Well, we'll pray that you get a Dr. Zodiani's Hebrew-Greek study.
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Yes, thank you. Yes, I'm going to be looking for the New Testament one that he was talking about. The Greek one.
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Yes, the Greek one.
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You know, we were so honored to be able to interview a man of that stature on our show. I mean, that's like a dream for us. We've had his Bible for a number of years, and that was actually a rerun that we did on Monday. because we weren't able to get on the plane. All the planes were full coming back from Phoenix. So we did rerun that show, and so many people are blessed.
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Oh, I'm glad you did because I would have missed it because I didn't get to hear it before that.
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Delightful call. It was great.
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Thanks, Celia.
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Bye now. Bye. Wow, what a great praise report. Yeah.
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Amen. It's important. Amen. I'll tell you, we have just about a minute to go. And folks, we want to tell you, we absolutely love doing these radio shows. And more than that, we love watching our listeners grow in the Lord. Yes.
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Join us as Rabbi Schneider delves into the trustworthiness of the New Testament, examining criteria that historians have used to judge ancient documents. Discover how the words and testimonies of those who walked alongside Jesus offer solid ground for faith and understanding. Whether you're seeking to deepen your faith or exploring these enduring works, this episode is a chance to feel the historical and personal weight of Jesus’ presence, and to consider the transformative power His words have over our lives today.
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Welcome to Discovering the Jewish Jesus. I'm your host, Dustin Roberts. And for the next 25 minutes, we're going to be looking at life's most important questions. Sometimes we can feel like just another face in the crowd. But what if I told you that you're not just a statistic, you're a unique individual with a purpose and your purpose goes beyond your daily routine. It's true. Today, Rabbi Schneider, he's going to explain why God's not just interested in humanity as a whole, but in you individually. This message is called The Accuracy of Scripture. And if you'd like to learn more about Rabbi or this ministry, go online to our website, discoveringthejewishjesus.com. And now here's Rabbi Schneider.
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Father, we bless you today. Lord Jesus, our Messiah, we bless you today. And we pray that you will use this broadcast to bring people to salvation and to cause us to become greater soul winners for you. And all God's people spoke Hebrew and said, Amen and Amen. We began to say that the most profound questions in life are these. Who am I? Where did I come from? How did I get here? What's going to happen to me when I die? And what am I on earth for? We said that these questions can really only be answered in the light of eternity. I pointed out the fallacies in getting our identity from this world or in living for the things of this world, because all that's in this world is passing away. But Jesus said, if you build your house on me, it's like a man that built this house on a rock. and your house is going to stand, even when the waves come and the storm blows, you're going to stand because you built your house in the eternal. We talked about that. But I want to move on today, beloved, to dwelling deeper into a subject that I touched on in the earlier broadcast that answers these questions and helps answer these questions, and that is this. Do the words of Jesus as recorded in the New Testament really give us the answers to life's greatest questions? Does the Bible, the Word of God, really answer the questions, who am I? Why am I here? And what happens to me when I die? Well, we know the Bible begins with these words in the book of Genesis. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Beloved, there is no other way to answer the existence of the universe and the reality of our existence other than the fact that there was a first cause. The Big Bang does not answer the problem of first cause. It had to start somewhere. It had to start with the cause that had no cause, and that first cause is God. The second area that we need to dwell and that I want to dwell in more deeply today is, but does the Bible really accurately record for us what Jesus said? In other words, does Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, when they record for us the words of Jesus, is the Bible an accurate record of what Jesus really said? Can it really be trusted? As I said on an earlier broadcast, no one doubts The literal historical personage of Jesus of Nazareth. Everybody knows, all historians, secular, religious alike, know that there was a literal historical person that walked upon the earth, Jesus of Nazareth. The question was, who was he? And we talked about that. The greatest amount of information that we have on who this Jesus was is the New Testament. But the question is, can the New Testament be trusted? And does it accurately record for us what Jesus did and what He said? Now I alluded to the fact earlier that Ancient historical documents were judged by certain criteria that historians agreed upon. And the New Testament writings, beloved, have the highest credibility in terms of the tests that they passed for being considered a valid, authentic, historical document. Why? Because number one, the New Testament was written by people that actually lived during Jesus' lifetime. It wasn't written by people that lived hundreds of years after his death. Alexander the Great, the records that we have of him, were written by people that lived more than 100 years after his life, yet no one doubts the accuracy of them. How much better the New Testament that wasn't written by people that lived 100 years after Jesus died, but rather the New Testament was written by people that walked with Jesus, that heard what he said, that touched him. In fact, Paul documented the people that Jesus appeared to after he had risen from the dead. And Paul starts out at the grave that Jesus appeared after he had risen from the dead, first to the two women at the tomb. And then Jesus appeared to the disciples, his apostles. And then Paul said this, not only did he appear to the apostles, Not only did he appear to the two women at the grave, he's not saying this is only symbolic. He's saying this is real. He really appeared to these people. He said, not only that, Paul said, but he appeared to me. I was on the road to Damascus to arrest, Paul said, any Jew that was believing in Jesus. And while I was on the road, Jesus appeared to me and he blinded me and knocked me off my horse. And I was on the ground blind and I couldn't see. And I spoke to the one that had blinded me. And I said, who are you? And he said, I'm Jesus who you are persecuting. Now get up and it will be told what you must do for me. So Paul says, he's alive. He's real. He appeared to me and the words that I'm giving you, these aren't fairy tales. These aren't myths. We're not making these up. I met Jesus. He spoke to me. But I love what Paul said next. Paul said, not only that, But this Jesus appeared to 500 people that were gathered together in one place all at the same time. And Paul said this, and most of those of the 500 that he appeared to at the same time, he said, are still alive today. And so Paul's making this historical argument that, no, this Jesus of Nazareth, He's not a figment of somebody's imagination. He's a real historical reality. He's the God of the universe that became flesh, who entered into space and time and revealed Himself to us. And John said, and of His glory we all received and we all saw. And so, This Jesus, beloved, it's not the Jesus that we think of when we think of Easter bunnies and fairy tales. No, Jesus is God. And He's alive, He's here, He really came, and He's making a demand on your life and in my life. And He's saying, unless you repent, you shall perish. He said, unless you believe, Jesus said, that I am He. Who is He? God in the flesh that died for your sin that died for your sin and made a way for you to come into relationship with God and go to heaven. Jesus said, unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sin.
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You're listening to Discovering the Jewish Jesus with Rabbi Schneider. He's going to be right back. But first, I want to let you know that you can watch full episodes of Discovering the Jewish Jesus on Roku television. We have episodes that are filmed in the Holy Land and outreach events from Nigeria and Gulu, Uganda, all sorts of places. Every episode is available to help deepen your understanding of scripture and the Jewish roots of your faith. So search for Discovering the Jewish Jesus on Roku today. Did you know that this ministry is all about preparing the way for the inevitable return of King Jesus? Well, it's true. And we'd love for you to partner with us in this life-changing mission today. Together, we will change lives, not just locally, but all over the world. To support this team, call 800-777-7835. That's 800-777-7835. Or you can visit us online at discoveringthejewishjesus.com. And now here's Rabbi Schneider.
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Jesus said, unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sin. Now again, how do we know that? Because the New Testament tells us this, but can the New Testament be trusted? And that's what I was making the point of, that according to the standards of historians, the New Testament passed all the tests in flying colors of that which can be trusted as an ancient historical document, because it was written by people, listen, that were alive during Jesus's own lifetime. not people that lived 100 years after he died, people that walked with him, people that talked with him while he walked on earth, people that he appeared to after he had risen from the dead. And not only that, beloved, we have a multiplicity of witnesses, not only Peter, James, Paul, and all the writers of the New Testament, but others, beloved, that Paul was speaking of the 500 people at the same time, as well as people like myself and some of you today that Jesus has supernaturally appeared to. So we do well to pay attention to the words of Jesus in the New Testament, that they could be trusted, that this is a reliable, historical, accurate document telling us what Jesus said. And what did Jesus say? He didn't teach the doctrine of political correctness today. He didn't say all roads lead to the same place. He didn't say that as long as you're a good person, you can go to heaven. He didn't say that it doesn't matter if you don't believe in me, as long as you believe in God, you're a good person. No, Jesus said, unless you believe that I am He, you'll die in your sins. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to God but by me. You see, beloved one, it's not going to be long before you and I die. And when we do, it's going to be too late. Because the Bible said it's appointed for man once to die and then comes the judgment. That when you and I die, it's over. We'll have made our decision. And some of you are listening to this broadcast and God is knocking at the door of your heart. The Bible says, if today you hear His voice, do not harden your heart. Because what happens is, when the Holy Spirit is knocking on the door of our heart, when God is beckoning us, come. When we feel the weight of the Holy Spirit on us, nudging us to humble ourselves, to ask God, forgive me, forgive me. I've sinned. I need to turn my life over to you. I want this to be a new beginning for me. When we feel God doing that, beloved, if we open our heart and invite him in, Jesus said, behold, I stand at the door of your heart and knock. If you open the door, I'm going to come into you and we're going to be in relationship together and you're going to be saved. But Jesus said, unless we open the door of our heart, if we feel him knocking and we don't respond, if we keep our heart hard, if we don't yield to the voice of the Holy Spirit, if we don't soften ourselves to the presence of God and open up and let him in and say, yes, what happens, the Bible says, is that God begins to withdraw himself from us. so that we don't have an opportunity anymore. In other words, the Bible says God will not strive with man forever. But when men refuse, listen now, to receive a love of the truth, when it's being offered to them, There comes a point where God will stop offering, He'll withdraw Himself, and He'll let that person that resisted permanently become hardened. And the result of that, according to the Word of God, if the Word of God is true, that person will spend the rest of their life, the rest of eternity in hell. Now, I know today hell is not a popular doctrine, but do you know that the Bible actually talks more about hell than about heaven? And as I said earlier, Jesus said straight and narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it. But broad and wide is the way that leads to destruction and many there be that take it. You see, there's thousands of ways to be wrong, but there's only one way to be right. You can be wrong by giving your life over to entertainment. You can be wrong by giving your life over to sex. You can be wrong by giving your life over to careers. You can be wrong by giving your life over to another person. You can be wrong by living your life trying to please other people. You can be wrong a thousand different ways, but there's only one way to be right, and that's to live your life and for me to live my life for Jesus. So right now, I want to give you an opportunity, if God's knocking at your heart, just to say, Jesus, I feel you. This is true. Forgive me of my sin. I receive you. Come into me and save me now. So if you'd like to repeat after me now, let's just do that. Lord Jesus, I sense that this is your Holy Spirit speaking to me. I turn to you now. I ask you to forgive me of my sins. Thank you for dying for me. I acknowledge you died in my place on the cross and I receive your gift of forgiveness, your gift of salvation. Please forgive me now. Wash me of my sins by your blood. Come into my life by your Holy Spirit and save me. Thank you, Lord. Amen. Now, if you just prayed that prayer, beloved one, I want to encourage you to call a pastor somewhere, look in the phone book under evangelical churches or Bible-believing churches, call some churches up, say, do you believe that the Bible is literally the Word of God? Look for a Bible-believing church. Make an appointment with the pastor. Tell that pastor what you did. Tell that pastor that you want to start living your life as a committed Christian, or if you have friends or family members that are committed Christians, call them and start following Jesus. Do something immediately to begin to put into practice the commitment that you just made to the Lord. Start attending church on a regular basis. Start giving your finances to God. Start serving God's people in the church. Start living your life as a Christian. Start reading the Bible. I want to encourage you to start reading in the Gospel of John and just read straight through. I don't know if it's a chapter a day, two chapters a day, whether you're going to be so hungry you'll read the whole book at once. But read the Bible at least a couple chapters every single day. Start moving, beloved, into this new life and old things are going to pass away for you and all things are going to become new and Jesus is going to bless you. He said, seek first the kingdom of God and everything else shall be added unto you. Oh, my goodness gracious. Father God, we that know you repent of not being greater soul winners. Father God, of letting loved ones that we know that don't know you, letting them, Father God, go to hell without ever witnessing to them. So, Father, I pray that you would put a great spirit of courage on your people that are watching this broadcast right now, that they would begin to tell their friends and neighbors and loved ones about you, Lord Jesus. Amen and amen. What do you think of Jesus? I got this concept, beloved, from a dream that God gave me that he was showing me how we need to be witnessing to people and how imperative it is. In this dream, I found myself in a room. And in the room, beloved, was a simple couch. I was sitting on the couch. There was a lady sitting next to me. I couldn't see her face. And the next to the lady on the other side of the couch was this big guy about probably 6'3", 200-something pounds. And I had my head leaning on this lady next to me. And I felt like after the dream was over, the Lord was telling me it was just a symbol of being secure in relationship. You know, David said in one of his Psalms that he had stilled his soul like a child at rest on his mama's knee. You know, God is predominantly obviously revealed in the New Testament as Father, but within God's nature are also the feminine attributes. In fact, in some of God's Hebrew titles, we have him revealing himself to us in the feminine. For example, when he revealed himself to Moses, and all God's goodness passed by, and the Lord proclaimed his name to Moses, and the Lord said, I am Yahweh God, compassionate. And that word for compassionate, which is the first word that the Lord used in describing himself to Moses, actually comes from the Hebrew word rachum, which is a feminine word. It means mercy. And so predominantly, we refer to him as our father. But within God is both the male and female natures. So in this dream, getting back to the dream, I had my head leaning on this woman. I couldn't even see her face. I think it just meant securing the relationship the way a young infant is secure in its mother's arms. And then I turned to the man that was sitting on the couch and I asked him this simple question. What do you think of Jesus. Immediately, the dream shifted. I found myself in a second room. I'm sitting on a couch, and there's a young woman in the room, about 23 years old. And I say to this woman, listen, beloved ones, the same question. I believe that God Himself, by the Holy Spirit, gave me the question. I said to her this, what do you think of Jesus. And she answered and said this, well, I know he said a lot to the church, but he never said anything to me like about being boyfriend, girlfriend. And I know that sounds strange when I say that to you. And then the dream was over. And I knew when it was over that it was too strange. The whole thing was too strange. What are you saying? And the Lord was saying to me, what was happening in that second phase of the dream is that I was showing you that there are so many people out there, they've heard that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. but they never heard, the Lord was showing me, that I love them uniquely, especially, and individually. And that's what that girl was saying in the dream. Well, I know he said he loved the church. I know that he loves the world generically, but I never heard him say anything to me about being boyfriend, girlfriend. You see, she was wanting an intimate relationship. In fact, it's a type of relationship that Jesus is calling us to. He's calling to us, beloved ones, to Revelation 19, to the marriage supper of the Lamb. So God was telling me, when you witness to people, my church, don't just witness to them generally. Don't just say that God so loved the world. But when you witness to people, witness to them in such a way that you tell them that I love them. that, for example, if their name is Bill or Mary, you say, Bill, Mary, God loves you so specifically, personally. Bill, Mary, He knows everything that's going on in your life. And Bill, He's got a special plan for you. Mary, He's got a special destiny for you. Mary, God created you for Himself. Bill, God loves you more than you could ever realize. But the only way you're going to know His love The only way you're going to fulfill his purpose for your life, Bill Murray, is when you invite him into your life and make him the center of your life. God loves you today. He loves you individually, specifically, and specially. Would you receive him right now? He's knocking at the door of your heart. Beloved, the Bible speaks of there being a famine on the earth, not for food, but for the Word of God. You know, we're living in a time where there truly is a famine on the earth for the Word of God. So much teaching and preaching today is based on just making people feel good. But the truth oftentimes is not being taught. I want to ask you, beloved, to support me and to support this ministry. We're committed to teaching the truth and supporting this ministry, beloved. It ensures that I'm going to continue to be a blessing to you and that you're going to be used of God and rewarded for building his kingdom on the earth. Beloved, just do what the Holy Spirit tells you to do. That's all I've ever asked. If you sense him leading you to financially support me in this ministry, just obey him immediately. If you don't, don't do it. Just obey him, beloved, and you're going to be blessed. There always is a blessing. Now, Dustin, can you share with our listeners how they can support us and give?
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I'd be happy to, Rabbi. If you sense the Lord knocking on the door of your heart and leading you to financially support discovering the Jewish Jesus with a gift of any amount, then please reach out to us today. Call us at 800-777-7835. And if it's easier, you can give online at our website, discoveringthejewishjesus.com. And for those of you who feel called to support this ministry even further, I want you to know about a great resource and our partnership with Freewill. Freewill is an online and intuitive platform that simplifies the process of creating a will. It's free and it's user-friendly. And when you use free will, you can ensure that your earthly blessings continue to further the kingdom's work even after your days here on this earth are done. If you'd like to discover more about free will, I want to encourage you visit DiscoveringTheJewishJesus.com. Click on the resources tab and then need a will. You'll find all the details. It's free and it's easy. Once again, thanks so much for helping us extend our message and bring the hope and the healing of the Jewish Jesus to so many people all over the entire world. Once again, our address is Discovering the Jewish Jesus, P.O. Box 777 Blissfield, Michigan 49228. And many people, sometimes they don't remember that you can also text in your donation. Just type the keyword rabbi to the phone number 45777. We look forward to hearing from you soon. And now let's wrap up today's message on the accuracy of Scripture with God's sacred and special blessing. Rabbi.
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What I love about the Aaronic blessing is that it did not originate with man. The words actually proceeded from the very essence of God himself. The blessing comes from the book of Numbers, chapter six. So listen to these words and receive the blessing of the Lord into your life today.
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Yevarechech Yahweh, vayishmarecha. Yair Yahweh, penavelecha, vichunecha. Shalom.
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The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make His face shine on you and be gracious to you. The Lord lift you up with His countenance. And the Lord give you, beloved one, His peace. God bless you and shalom.
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This program is produced and sponsored by Discovering the Jewish Jesus. And I'm Dustin Roberts. Come back next week when Rabbi Schneider gives us some deep revelation from the book of Ephesians. That's Monday on Discovering the Jewish Jesus.
