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This is Fred Williams of Real Science Radio, welcoming you back to the conclusion of our interview with Dr. Gerald Pollack.
It's a pervasive theme that scientists with revolutionary findings, they're either ignored or they're shot down by people. And the established people, they've got the numbers. So if you find something really exotic, interesting, but it steps on the toes of some of those people, there'll be hundreds of people who will say, oh, that guy is a crackpot.
Pay no attention because it doesn't make any sense at all.
Dr. Pollack, the tendency to be repulsed by anyone challenging your orthodoxy. Are you saying that the ezWater and the energy potential or exchanges that are involved, are you saying that there is evidence, experimental evidence, that that's an actual challenge to ATP? Or are you just saying that needs to be looked into?
Is there a relationship?
Well, no. There are actually published papers that did experiments that checked out the Lipman's idea that the molecule of ATP has a particularly high-energy phosphate bond that's used to power and they didn't find it. You know, it's difficult to say, well, they're right and the original guy is wrong because it needs to be repeated.
It needs to be repeated objectively by a bunch of laboratories to find out, right, this is at the basis of biology. You know, where does your energy come from? Every time you speak, it requires energy and where does that come from?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so just by happenstance, Dr. Pollack, and I never would have imagined this would have even come up, but just in my professional life, I work with red light therapy for health and wellness. Red light, 600 nanometer in there. And so it's my understanding that it's been demonstrated experimentally that exposure of living human tissue to red light produces a measurable upregulation of ATP production, that it's been measured.
At least that's what I've been told in the paper that I read. I thought prove that, but I've since realized that you can't always say that about a paper. But I read another paper that said that they theorized that the reason exposure to red light produced an upregulation of ATP molecules was that it changed the viscosity of the water in the mitochondria so that the ATP synthase could spin faster.
And so they talked about the water. And I'm realizing now they didn't know what the water was. I think.
Yeah, I think in the mitochondria the water is mostly ezWater. I'll say why in a moment. And if you're exposing it to red light, so red light does produce some expansion of ez, not as much as infrared light does, but red light does.
And the depth of penetration of red light is probably larger than infrared. So there may be some advantages to using red instead of infrared. I'm not sure about that, but it's a possibility.
So in the mitochondria, if you think about the structure of the mitochondria, the mitochondria has membranes in it that are perpendicular, laid out perpendicular to the long axis of the mitochondria. So it's just full of these membranes, and these membranes are ideal for building ezWater because you need some kind of surface. You don't absolutely need it, but essentially you need it to grow the ezWater.
And if you stick an electrode in the mitochondria, and you find a large negative electrical potential. So I think that what's happening in the mitochondria is it grows as a source of ezWater. And if you add red light, you get more ezWater inside the mitochondria.
What's it for? Well, when the cell undergoes some kind of action. When the cell acts like a muscle contracts or a secretory cell secretes.
When the cell is acting, let's take the muscle cell, because I have studied that for so many years. So the muscle will be in the relaxed state. And in the relaxed state, the water is ezWater filling the cell.
And then what happens is the muscle wants to contract. So a stimulus comes. And what happens is that there's a so-called phase transition.
Everything in the cell changes. The water changes from ezWater to ordinary liquid water. And the proteins undergo folding.
And that folding of the proteins, together with the destructuring of the water, is responsible for the action of the cell. The muscle cell is responsible for the contraction. And when it's all over, the cell needs to return to its initial condition, like the initially relaxed condition.
It needs to rebuild ez. Now, if a source of ez is right there, it can rebuild very quickly. And I think that's what the mitochondria does.
It's a source of ez which the cell can use. Or another way of looking at it, it delivers negative charge to the rest of the cell. And we know from experiments that if you add negative charge to water, it'll turn it into ezWater.
So I think that's what the mitochondria does.
So are you saying it's a store of energy?
The ez is a store of energy, yes. Okay.
So a thought came to mind that the mitochondria we're taught is like the energy source of the cell, like the power supply. So I mean, this makes a lot of sense that it would be the source of this power. So Dr. Pollack, I'm wondering, it sounds like there's obviously health implications with this.
We know to be healthy, they always recommend you drink a lot of water. But it sounds like too, to stimulate this, maybe why it's advantageous to be outside, get sunlight, because then you're getting the infrared light. What are your thoughts on that?
Absolutely. Yeah. I think many health practitioners argue that we've been duped by the pharmaceutical companies.
They want to protect us from sunlight, cover our bodies with all kinds of lotions and sunblockers and whatever. But, in fact, you know, reasonable exposure to sunlight is advantageous. It supplies infrared energy, and we need that infrared energy.
And those who study that argue, and I'm not sure the basis of those arguments, that especially important morning light and also evening light before the sun sets, exposure 10, 15 minutes, at least, both morning and evening can be good for health. And I think the ancients knew that exposure to the sun was helpful, but we've learned stay out of the sun.
Yes, in fact, there's relatively wide agreement now in the dermatology community that the recommendations for sunscreen have been overdone. And so they're at least willing to admit that much. And then if I remember, being under the sun was widely advocated in the Book of Ecclesiastes, wasn't it, Fred, if I remember correctly?
Almost everything was under the sun. So we should get some sun, I think. And by the way, Dr. Pollack, in the health and wellness realm, red light is often augmented with infrared light for pain, wound healing, a number of different things.
So a lot of what you say is telling me that, so what I've been taught and what we have thought are the mechanisms for the beneficial actions, we just don't fully understand them. We're seeing them and we can feel them and feel better, but there's more going on than we thought it sounds like.
If you build on a foundation that's erroneous, every structure will be held up by rubber bands and paper clips and whatever, you know, it doesn't work. And therefore, for science, I'm always advocating you go drill down to the most fundamental level and make sure that foundation is really accurate. I've been trying to do that.
In fact, I have a book that I've written. It's almost done. I was waiting for some illustrations.
It's a book that's about the structure of the atom. And I think that what we've been taught is completely wrong.
So Dr. Pollack, you're in the right place to say something like that. And then instead of being squashed or told to leave the dais, we want to give you the microphone. And you don't have to tell us the whole book.
I don't want to let the cat out of the bag. But please, you've got to expand on that.
Okay. So what we've learned from the time of Niels Bohr, that's more than a hundred years ago, it's been five or six generations since, we've learned that the atom looks like a solar system. You've got a nucleus that contains protons and neutrons, and then you've got electrons in orbitals that circle around the nucleus.
The charge of a nucleus, it's got protons and neutrons. Neutrons are neutral, protons are positive. So you've got a lot of positive protons compressed together.
And I learned in middle school, I learned that when you have a lot of positive charges together, they repel. And the closer they get to one another, the more they repel. So you try to squeeze those positive charges together.
You don't want to come together. And so unless you invoke something, the nucleus will explode. Now the physicists have noted that, and they came up with something called the strong force.
And the strong force is a kind of glue that holds together the nucleus because otherwise it would explode. The problem is that there's no independent evidence for the existence of this glue. It's an ad hoc bandage basically to cover a gaping wound.
You know?
You're blowing my mind. This is like, I was taught all this in 2nd grade through 7th grade, and you're telling me this may not be...
Well, yeah, there's more. You know, this is middle school stuff. So the nucleus is positive, right?
And you've got the electrons around it, and they're negative. I also learned in middle school that plus and minus attract each other. And so if that's true, it means those negative electrons should be pulled, drawn toward the positive nucleus, and the whole atom should collapse into one point.
But that can't be. I mean, because if the model is right, it can't collapse to one point because atoms take up space. You know, any material that you have consists of atoms that are lined up together, and they occupy, they must occupy some space, because the material occupies space.
So this is another problem. Next problem, if you want more problems. Yeah, please.
Oh, yeah, definitely. I'd like to hear what your idea is on it.
Well, okay, so, an electron comes from outside, and the first thing is, where is it going to land? Now we're told that if one of those orbitals has less than the proper number of electrons, the new electron can actually land there. So we're accustomed to thinking of eight electrons.
So if one of those orbitals has seven, the electron somehow knows it's not full, and lodges there as the eighth one. Now, how does it know? You know, it wants to get away from all those other charges, so why would it want to be in the same orbital?
Why would it not like to lodge in between the two orbitals? But it's not allowed to in the model, you see. Okay, next problem.
In the periodic table, most substances at room temperature are solids, about 90% of the atoms, you know, like aluminum or something like this. I see my laptop computer. It's made of aluminum, room temperature, the atoms stick together.
So the question is, if you put two aluminum atoms, or any atoms, next to each other, explain how they stick together. So the problem is that each one of these contains shells of these electrons, and they're all negatively charged. And the next atom has shells of electrons, and they're also negatively charged.
So how do you take these two negatively charged shells and make them stick to each other? That's the last thing they want to do. They want to stay away from each other.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, they'd want to repel.
Yeah, those are a few of the issues. And you have two choices. One is to say, well, let's just sweep these arguments under the rug, and this model has been around for a century.
Therefore, it's probably right. Or you can say, well, I'm not so sure it's right. Let's start all over again, because there are a number of issues that don't sit right, and we've got to figure out what's going on, what's wrong, and such.
So that's what I've done. I've come up with another model of the atom, which if I thought it was grossly wrong, I wouldn't be writing a book. But I think that the shape of the atom is the platonic solid, and that includes a cube or tetrahedron, such.
And I think most of the atoms are cubes. The cubes fit together very nicely. The problem with the solar system model, one of the problems is that, you know, you can't get them face to face.
There's always extra space. When two spheres come together, there's empty space. And nobody ever talks about what's in that empty space.
It's not true of cubes. You know, you can take one cube and put it next to another cube, and they stick. And it actually can be very easy for two cubes to stick to one another, because one face of one cube, say, is negatively charged, complementary face of another cube is positively charged, and they just stick.
And that could go on indefinitely. So that's simple.
So would your model have the quantized shells, electrons?
No, not okay. No, in fact, the model is stable. That's maybe the main criterion.
It has to be stable. It can't explode and it can't collapse. It has to be stable because atoms are stable.
And the model that I've come up with resembles what happens in a colloid crystal. Colloid crystals are well known in physical chemistry, and they consist of positive and negative charges that balance each other. It's a distribution of positive and negative charges that are stable.
Because you can have colloid crystals that are stable for eons. Once they're formed, they retain their form. And so, I adopted that same principle for application in the atom.
And it turns out that if you take the model and think about standard observations, a lot of the observations are very easy and directly explained, whereas the current theory, they're really head-scratchers.
Okay, okay. So Dr. Pollack, I have one question about the atom. And then I know we have a number of questions from our listeners about water that we've been asked to put to you.
But regarding a different model for the atom, if things aren't what we thought they are, how did we split the atom, produce nuclear energy, and detonate a nuclear device?
Well, I discussed that in the book Manuscript Force. And it's actually simpler when you think of the standard model, the one that we all know about. So you split the nuclear splits into two parts.
And I mean, the whole thing is blasted. Two compounds are formed, two daughter atoms. And so the question is, once you smash the atom into smithereens, how do those new elements, those two elements, transform, because the number of electrons has to match the number of protons?
So how does those electrons know the proper number to come back after it splits, to come back and form those compounds? I think that that's never been addressed, and there's no logical sense, at least that I could think of that would explain that. In the model that I'm talking about, basically the atom, it's not the nuclear, it's the atom that splits, and it splits at its weakest point.
Would the energy release in your model, is that demonstrated to be similar to the energy release we saw with actual?
I don't know that because I never performed the computations. Computations are not simple because every computation has assumptions and some hidden assumptions, and early in my career, I had some experience with the model and I realized you could pretty much get any answer you'd like by inputting the assumptions and trying to learn about that. So there we are.
Plus, you did want to do that experiment in your lab or else you wouldn't be here telling us about it.
That is a point.
Well, so just as a layman, I think, well, how could we have done that if we were wrong about something so fundamental about what we were doing? And maybe you're saying it didn't matter that we didn't know.
It's a, I can't answer that question, but it's more technology than it is science. Building a bomb, it was a huge technological effort. It was not so much a scientific effort.
Scientists were assembled at Los Alamos, huge number of competent scientists, and they did what was necessary to make it work. Very little theory was involved.
They engineered it to make it happen.
Yeah, they engineered it to make it happen. That's right. And it worked.
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of a quote from Nikola Tesla. It has to do with people are spending so much time doing mathematical equations and yet they're not letting experiments and actual engineering rule the day. I'm paraphrasing, but I think that's what happened a lot at Los Alamos.
A lot of engineering was going on.
Also in the area of quantum mechanics, it's basically pure mathematics, it's abstract mathematics. And in his book on quantum electrodynamics, Richard Feynman, the great Nobel scientist, he said in the preface, well, I start with the forward. The forward to his book is written by a colleague and it says, you won't understand this, but you have to read it anyway because it's important.
And I'm so much in my head, you know, I read it if I won't understand it. I thought next comes the preface and in the preface Feynman would reassure me. He said, you won't understand this.
He said, and I know you won't understand it because my students don't understand it. Even I don't understand it and I invented it.
Yeah, he basically said something like, if you claim you understand quantum mechanics, you don't know anything or you're crazy.
You're lying or you're stupid or something like this. We're dealing. I must admit I had some skepticism because, and I think of Mother Nature, not necessarily well-versed in abstract mathematics.
If Mother Nature, perhaps I shouldn't be talking about Mother Nature given your biblical orientation, but anyway, please excuse me. Then I started reading a couple of books about quantum mechanics. I thought, well, everybody knows quantum mechanics must be right, even though there are a lot of issues with it.
Then I found this book, it's called Make Physics Great Again, like make America great again. He rips the whole thing apart, talking about-
Oh boy.
Assumption upon assumption upon assumption. You start inventing a number of particles, and then you make a measurement, and you find that with the construct that you have built on all those particles, it still doesn't work. In order to make it work, you invent another particle, and then you get a Nobel Prize.
I love it.
This book, it's a must read. I think it's fantastic. Make Physics Great Again.
Well, Dr. Pollack, I'm going to pick that one up. By the way, that reminds me of the funniest T-shirt of the year contest was won at a farmers market I was at earlier in the summer, and the guy had a T-shirt that said, make gas cans poor again. And so I don't know if you guys have dealt with a...
I don't know if you've had a modern gas can. What they've done to the gas can, Dr. Pollack? Anyway, they could have used some engineering advice.
Let me just leave it at that. So now we want to get to, because we are going to run out of time. We've only got maybe 10 more minutes, maybe a little more.
But questions about water, because you know things about water that nobody else knows. One of our audience members asked, how does water get up 300 feet up a redwood tree?
There's a process that we discovered, which I think explains it. And it also explains what we never got to about a way in which the energy, electrical energy is used. So we found in the laboratory, actually a student, another student found that he would take a tube and a hydrophilic tube, immerse it horizontally in the water.
And he found that the water flowed through the tube, like through a straw. And usually you need a pressure gradient, a pressure difference to make it flow. In the case of the straw, you suck on it.
In the case of flow through your artery, the heart is driving it. There was no pressure difference here, because the tube was lying horizontally, and yet flow, and it persisted for a very long time. So we studied that, and we found the mechanism had to do with the following.
Just inside the tube, like a ring, an annular ring just inside the tube, ez formed, and in the corner of the tube were the positive charges that get formed. When the negative ez forms, positive charges form too, and they lodge in the core. And in the core, so the protons, the positive charges begin to build up.
They repel each other. They want to get out, and they'll leave at one end or the other end, depending on, I think, ambient conditions. And once it starts to flow, it takes the water with it, and new water enters the other end of the tube, and it just keeps perpetuating.
And we've had it going for easily a day and a half without stopping. So when you talk about the redwood tree, to start with, this is the kind of mechanism that's used. And it's the infrared energy that builds ez, and the positive, complementary positive charges.
And so there's actually a driver, and this driver is pushing up in the redwood tree. Okay, so now, and other trees, too. And this leads to what I wanted to talk about earlier, about the energy that's used in our body coming from infrared energy, which builds ez.
So I went to Russia, more difficult to go these days, unless you want to get thrown in jail. You know, which I would like to avoid if possible. So this guy was telling me there's a big problem in the cardiovascular system.
This Russian guy, introduced to me by my Russian friend after a few vodkas, and the guy says, there's a problem. Big problem. And since I did my PhD research on pressures and flows, modeling them in the cardiovascular system, I was kind of skeptical of anything this guy would say.
He had me convinced in five minutes that he was right. But what's the problem? The problem is, the red blood cells are bigger than the capillaries.
So typical red blood cell is six or seven micrometers in diameter. And the small capillaries, in which there are many, are three or four microns in diameter. So it's a sort of plumbing problem, you know, that you squeeze through.
So he's telling me, you need energy. So I'm reminded of the plunger in the toilet. You know, the toilet gets stopped up.
You take the plunger and you push, and it requires energy. So to squeeze those red blood cells, and they are squeezed, you can see videos of blood flow, and they do get squeezed. He said that requires a lot of energy, just like plunging the toilet.
And he calculated, he said, if the ventricle is fully responsible for providing this energy, the amount of pressure that it would need to develop would be something like one million times the pressure that it develops. That would be really high blood pressure.
So obviously, yeah.
So am I mistaken in that we've all assumed that it is the contraction that produces that? Haven't we always assumed that that was the source of the energy?
Yeah, me too, for many years. And another reason why it can't be, if you look carefully at the literature, which my student has done, you'll find that there are like a half-dozen papers that report that if you stop the heart, the blood flow doesn't stop, keeps going at a lower velocity, which means there's got to be something else that is something else, part something else. Both of those arguments, the one from the the Russian guy who said it needs far more energy than could be mustered, and the other one showing that stop the heart and flow continues.
So I had the idea immediately when I heard he was giving me a half-dozen different hypotheses of what that extra mechanism, driving mechanism might be, and I'm thinking, hey, we just found in the laboratory that we take a tube and immerse it in the water, and the water flows through it. And all of this is actually driven by infrared energy. So we did tests, and we did tests on chick embryos, and the chick embryo, the cardiovascular system, is very well developed after three days of development, but not the regulatory system.
So it's a pretty pure preparation. And my student, Zheng Li, studied, and he wanted to, he asked, is the signature feature of our mechanism, which means driven by infrared energy, which builds easy, is that true in the circulation? So first step, stop the heart.
And he confirmed also the flow continues, it's lower velocity, but it continues. And then test the mechanism that we found in the laboratory, this flow mechanism. So he applied infrared energy, and the blood flow sped up by a factor of three or three-and-a-half.
And then he removed the infrared and it went back down to its baseline value. So we concluded that in your circulatory system, and maybe even mine, it's not just the heart that's pumping the blood, it's the vessels themselves that are actually contributing.
That's fascinating. So were you able to convince… So this Russian scientist, I guess, he convinced you in five minutes.
Were you able to convince him of your mechanism in five minutes?
It was just published in the past few months, and he doesn't speak English. Every good translation. But the guy who was the translator knows, and I don't know if he told him or didn't tell him.
I'm not sure. Unfortunately, yeah, getting to Russian, that was more cumbersome than it used to be.
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Okay. So Dr. Pollack, one of our listeners also asked that, is there potential in what you've discovered in purifying salt water?
Because you know, there's so much salt water on the globe. So little water is drinkable.
Well, yeah, I mean, this is a big issue. Pure drinking water and irrigation water. I mean, this is the stuff that winds up provoking wars.
So we developed a filter. We call it a filterless filter because it doesn't contain a physical filter. What happens is by the energy from the environment, infrared energy, because of the infrared energy, we can separate or divide the water into ezWater, that's negatively charged, and positively charged ordinary, we say, bulk water.
And we built a device that does this. The reason it works is that when it separates into ez and ordinary liquid water, all the contaminants go into the liquid water, the exclusion zone excludes. So if you capture the exclusion zone water, you're capturing contaminant-free water, in theory.
That's how it works. And we did a few experiments about putting salt water in. And the idea was to think about salt as a contaminant.
And what we found in some very preliminary experiments, it seemed to work. It didn't work all the time, but it worked some of the time. And so from that, we think it might be possible to use this device as a desalination device.
A lot of work needs to go into it. You know, like when the light bulb replaced the candle, it took quite a few years before Edison came out with a practical version of such. If this actually works, we think it might work.
We're not sure. This could provide a method of desalination that doesn't require huge amounts of energy, which right now desalination requires. And only countries or states or whatever, with ample money and ample oil and such, can afford it.
Otherwise, it's prohibitively expensive. What we're talking about, the energy comes from infrared energy, which is available throughout the environment. So if it works, and we're not sure, if it works, it could be a real breakthrough.
Amazing, amazing potential and certainly more worthy of investigation than the next generation nuclear device. I'm just going to put that out there. And so Dr. Pollack, you said that you're not necessarily a religious guy.
That might have been before we went on air. But I do want to let you know that I love your idea of dividing the waters from the waters. I love that.
And we're never offended by references to Mother Earth here. Because we know that the God of Abraham, he has a husband-wife relationship with the city of Jerusalem. And from there, he intends to rule the world, the whole world at some point.
So no offense taken. And we really appreciate you taking the time to tell us some amazing things about the creation that we never knew. Wow.
Thank you.
Well, thank you. And may I end with, if you're interested, anybody, take a look at the 4th phase of water, the book. It's very popular.
And it's got, my son's responsible for the illustrations, professional artists, and so many people have commented on the artwork. So have a look.
Yeah, we have someone on our production team reading your book right now. You know, we had some listeners mention you, and then this guy started reading your book. So we will, we're showing it right now on YouTube.
And the listeners on the radio, you can go to the website and we'll provide information there, links to your book. You know, we just pray that your research moves forward. You know, there's so many positive things that can come from this.
Do you have a decent research team or what's the state before we close? I'm kind of curious.
Yeah, we have a team. The team now is a lot smaller than it was. And the limiting factor is getting funds for this.
Now, the government agencies, the National Institutes of Health, because we're focusing on health applications, I think the word water is maybe a foreign language to them. They never heard of it. And getting funding for the work we're doing for them is a real challenge.
So we have to depend on donations. And we were funded for four or five years by a wealthy businessman who, unfortunately, ran into some difficulty. And he just wrote an email to me.
He signs his emails, love, Peter. And he said, this was, how did he put it, the most valuable thing I ever did in my life was to fund us. So we're looking for funding because, yeah, we can't do anything without money and.
Yeah, exactly.
We have so much more to do and so much that's so interesting. But you can't do it without, you have to pay the people, you have to pay for the supplies and equipment. Otherwise, you can't do it.
So it's now fairly small. It used to be much larger. So thank you for asking.
Well, hopefully we'll get the, we'll help get the word out and continue this for research, that's for sure. I know for me, I got to start drinking more water.
We all do.
At my age, sometimes there's a trade-off of how much I drink at night, and I have to take that break in the middle of the night. But this was so enlightening. I guarantee you, very few people knew about this aspect of water.
Just the experiments that you've done, that's really established that this ezWater does exist. I mean, it is there and there's got to be, we've got to understand it better because there's so many applications that can come out of it. A better understanding of the cell, possibly desalination of water, so many other uses.
So Dr. Pollack, what an honor it was for you to join us on Real Science Radio.
Well, thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate it.
Yeah. So for my co-host Doug McBurney and Dr. Gerald Pollack, I'm Fred Williams of Real Science Radio. May God bless you.
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Yes, I should have caught that, Mr. Morano, because I've used your material for years. Just a fountainhead of good climate information at ClimateDepot.com. Amazing. So glad to have you on. Thank you. By the way, Mr. Morano has appeared on numerous TV shows, including Fox News, CNN, if that's worth mentioning. He was with Bill Nye, the fake science guy. And so, Mark... Is climate change responsible for the fires in Los Angeles?
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Wow. Great question. If you ask Governor Newsom, absolutely. He wants to blame this all on climate change. If you ask the mayor of Los Angeles, absolutely. But here's the thing. You know, if you look at even the United Nations is forced to concede, even the National Climate Assessment under Joe Biden's administration was forced to concede that extreme weather events, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, wildfires, droughts, are either no trend or declining trends on climate timescales of 30, 50, 100 years. So you can always find an extreme weather event if you say like Southwest California or the coast of Florida or this region of Australia. Your chance of winning the lottery, very low. The chance of someone somewhere winning the lottery is very high. So what the media does is with all the extreme weather, including wildfires, shows it all like it's happening, unprecedented, we've never seen it, all nonsense. You know, the same way if you believe more and more people are winning the lottery and everyone's winning and you can see the winners that are featured on TV and look at this, we're covering it. In the case of wildfires, among all the extreme weather events I mentioned, they're probably the least climate influenced. And what I mean by that is they are the most man, human policy influenced on terms of the ground. And I'll get to that in a second. But before I get to just that influence of wildfires is that wildfires themselves are in these UN and all these reports with the extreme weather events, wildfires are down dramatically over the last hundred years. You can go back to 1920s, and this is both globally and in the United States. Precipitous drop, like 80% drop in the incidence and severity. One thing we've learned to do is deal with wildfires as we've developed. Now, What happened in California, in general with wildfires, you're dealing with land use, water diversion, trees, forestry practices, shrub management, emergency response, training of emergency response, early warning systems. Nothing I just mentioned has to do with climate change. So what happened in California, and we have it documented now, 45 minutes. delay for the first fire, which was crucial. We have now the top U.S. Geological Survey scientist came out two weeks ago and said this is not a climate change fire. And it was actually citing a study from 2001 showing that almost 100% of the fires are started by humans. So this was not sparked by lightning. And also California had Record precipitation in recent days. So the idea that it was all dried out and just ready to go isn't accurate either. So that's the situation. This is not a climate change fire. It is a man-made disaster. It is man-made by the misplaced priorities of California. Water diversions, blowing up dams, worried about endangered species, trying to return California to a Garden of Eden. We're not going to develop. Any of these lands, we're going to keep them pristine and pre-human settlement. Well, you have a lot of human settlement, and what happens is you end up screwing the humans there.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's so true. There are too many humans settling outside of houses in California. The homeless is a huge problem. And just to prove the point that you just made, in San Diego County just a couple days ago, three fires broke out in the middle of the night. Winds were up in the 60 to 100 mile an hour range, but the firemen put the fires out immediately because San Diego County is not Los Angeles.
SPEAKER 01 :
I was in San Diego and that was actually non-woke run and there was no homeless people. I had a friend, I think it was Santa Monica or somewhere just recently, and they're like, I don't understand the big deal about California. The city was, there were no homeless, there was no graffiti, there was no drug use, there was no one. So I said, what city was it? I looked it up. I don't want to get partisan here, but it's just the idea. It's not a woke Democrat. The entire city council was 100% Republican. The mayor was 100% Republican. And I had people marveling like, well, California is not as bad as I heard. This city was beautiful. You know, it really is a mind virus, this idea of woke. It's not necessarily all Democrats. You have people like Michael Schellenberger, who ran for governor. He was a former Democrat. I mean, it's not I'm not making this partisan. It is an ideology, though.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, it's it's running sane people versus insane people makes a big difference. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know, maybe people do cause climate change. You know, wasn't there a Democratic donor that started the Yosemite fire a couple years ago? That's right.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes. And that was a whole thing they tried to blame on that. It turned out a lot of them are budding eco-terrorists. A lot of them are homeless that start these fires. And you have careless campers and hikers and that as well. But this is just, it's maddening to try to link any kind of climate change. There's so many scientists. I have a whole dissection of a chapter in my book, Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, just on wildfires. There's no there there. And it's amazing to see how desperate they are to blame this On climate change, Justin Trudeau did the same thing when they had the Canadian wildfires in 2003. One thing to understand about California is, and this was in the San Jose Mercury News a couple years ago, California droughts, which they always say, unprecedented droughts, no global droughts, no trend, declining trends. Centuries ago, 300 years ago, California had droughts much, much worse than anything they're experiencing today. So if you just look at anything from a geological perspective, if you go back to the first United Nations climate report, the medieval warm period was much warmer than current temperatures. And there was actually a systematic campaign. I worked for the U.S. Senate Environment Public Works Committee. We had a scientist come testify. that back in the 1990s, they said they basically, UN scientists reached out to each other and said, we have to get rid of the medieval warm period. How can we sell a climate crisis when it was warmer without SUVs and coal plants? And lo and behold, by 2001, they literally went back and erased the past. Now, and they made it so that the medieval war period was erased. And now you just had a flat line and suddenly the 20th century because of mankind's SUVs and our appliances that we went through the roof. This is how they play the game. And think of it like an accounting firm accused of financial fraud. They go, no, no, no. Believe me, we don't need anyone to go to jail. We're not going to dissolve. We hired a new accountant. We redid all the books. We have record profits now. We're doing great. No problem here. Nothing to see. Move along. That's what the UN did with temperature data.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and you know, that that brings to mind a question I wanted to ask. How is it that 2024 is being sold as the warmest year ever?
SPEAKER 01 :
I have a whole chapter in my book on that. I worked in the U.S. Senate. We dealt with all this firsthand. This is statistical bulls**t. Now, just think for a second. Remember COVID, the case counts? They wanted to get everyone tested and they had all these ridiculous tests that even if you had no symptoms, somehow you were positive. And then, of course, the death rate if you died. We had coroners testifying from Colorado that motorcycle gunshot accident victims were listed as dying from COVID. The same kind of statistics. where they then tie that to mask mandates and lockdowns. We had one professor who actually said it brilliantly. Tying COVID lockdowns or mask mandates to COVID case counts is similar to tying them to phases of the moon. There's just no there there. What they've done in the same topic with the global average temperature. It's based on in part thermometer data, but in part on thermostats that don't exist and filling in the gaps and the statistical averaging, which sort of smooths everything out and they can literally adjust as they want to. Before I answer directly, I just wanted to say with this temperature data, thermometers didn't come on. online basically until 1870, 1880. When was that, historically speaking? That was at the end of the Little Ice Age when the New York Harbor was frozen over, the Thames River was frozen over, we had brutal cold. So thermometers coincidentally went online with a warm-up since the end of the Little Ice Age. So that's an important point to make. What they've done, and they began this around 2005, 2006, around the time of Al Gore's film and the UN report and the whole cap and trade and all that stuff is all weaponized. They've claimed that we've had the hottest year on record. Then we went for like 18 and a half years with no warming whatsoever, according to the data. And that freaked them out. So what did they do then? They did the same thing the UN did. They went back and adjusted the data and said, yeah, global warming pause no longer exists. What they've done with these hottest year declarations, they claim hottest year from year to year difference of hundreds of a degree Fahrenheit. That is within the margin of error for adjustments of tenths of a degree. It's a political way of saying basically the temperature hasn't changed much at all, but we're going to highlight these imperceptible statistical differences and claim it's an unprecedented climate emergency. It's bulls**t. Even the head of NASA, James Hansen, at one point said, these aren't really particularly important, but... scientifically, but they're important politically because the idea is they time them as well to these UN summits. And I just got back in November from Baku, Azerbaijan to the United Nations summit. 23 hours of traveling, by the way, to go. There's only about four dissenters there, four climate skeptics bothered to even show up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do they cancel your carbon credit card? Do they cut you off?
SPEAKER 01 :
Actually, what they were doing was the first day of the conference, multiple speakers featured calling for the end of meat consumption, global meat taxes. So I did a series of videos that went viral at the UN summit in the restaurants and food court. They were serving hot dogs, chickens, beef, and the lines were huge. They had a vegan booth, and there were two people in it, this huge empty booth. So they weren't even following their own advice about meat consumption. It was a fraud.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's real reporting, Mr. Moreno. I saw that. That was brilliant. That was well done.
SPEAKER 01 :
On the ground, yeah. I've been to 21 out of the last 23 of these UN summits. And I'm going this year is going to be in Belim, Brazil, which is in the heart of the Amazon rainforest. So I may have to get some bug spray. Again, I've been there before for different conferences, and this is, I've done an Amazon documentary. Amazon pre-climate change was the exact same thing. 90% of the forest was intact. They claimed using computer models and all this nonsense, X amount of football fields a minute are disappearing from the Amazon. It's going to disappear. They had all the footage of like bulldozers and the sad animals. I interviewed the environmentalist down there who threw down the travel book saying, bull, this is back in the 90s. Bull. that's not happening and it turns out by 2005 the sting rainforest concert stopped with all the hollywood celebrities it's actually where i first met and interviewed donald trump was at a sting rainforest concert in 19 either 98 or 99 he just went as a new york you know yeah figure it wasn't really involved in the issue but he just showed up and i interviewed him as he's walking in but The gist of it is by 2005, the New York Times reported that the Amazon and rainforest in general were now becoming least endangered because of sustainable forestry practices. They can now log a forest and within five to seven years, you can't distinguish log forest from the original forest and plant and animal species. And because of big reason, people are leaving the jungle, moving to cities, they're going to urban areas. And so the jungle is reverting back. So that whole scare campaign that went for decades, faded away and was replaced in mass by climate change.
SPEAKER 05 :
So speaking of Trump, what's your thoughts on his withdrawal of the US from the Paris Climate Agreement?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, interesting. It's the greatest thing he could do, but he's got to do more than he did last time. What I don't want to see is a yin-yang. From Obama, Trump. Trump, Biden. Biden, Trump. We can't keep doing that. So there's a way out for this. First of all, it's fantastic. You know why you know it's good? Big oil. People always say, oh, I'm funded by big oil. My answer is, what oil company is going to want to fund me? I trash ExxonMobil. I trash all of the big ones because they're all in on the climate agenda. They all want carbon capture. They want government subsidies. Just today, it was Bloomberg. I think it was Reuters. News came out. All of the big oil is upset that Trump's pulling us out of the U.N.-Paris agreement. Why? Because they want a seat at the table. Yeah, no, the table needs to be upended. Oh, I don't want to sit at the table. But this just goes to show you, you know what else big oil wants? I went to the American Petroleum Institute meeting last week just as a... freak show to watch it and people, oh, you're an oil lobbyist. Believe me, they wouldn't give me a cent. I was actually treated rudely. People who I'd known for decades gave me like the brush off because they know I'm against their agenda. But their vice president of operations told me, well, we don't want a repeal of the Inflation Reduction Act, the greatest boondoggle in U.S. spending history. We need surgical repeals. Why? Because they're going to suck down the government teat of carbon capture. So, and of course, when Donald Trump 1.0, his first term, had Rex Tillerson, the former Exxon CEO, first action is to go up to the Arctic and sign a UN climate declaration. He's the one that urged Trump to stay in the UN Paris Agreement back then, and Trump got out. What Trump needs to do is, he's already withdrawn formally, but he needs now to submit the UN Paris Agreement to the United States Senate as a treaty. It should be rejected, and even the Democrats will have to reject it because it's not good for America. They've never been tested. And then it gets kicked out of the system. The next president can't just put us back in. They're going to have to have a Senate vote. This will get us out of the mess that the pathetic Republican President George H.W. Bush got us into in September 1992 when he flew down to the Rio Earth Summit a month or two months before losing to Bill Clinton. So the Republican Party would appear green and he signed the Rio Earth Summit Treaty, which led to the Change Network, which led to sustainable development. All of this usually starts with bad Republicans. And that's kind of redundant because other than Trump, they're pretty much all bad Republicans. Sorry. Don't expect anything from Speaker Johnson. He's a pathetic uniparty toady. If he wants to be the boy for Donald Trump and just take orders. Great. We'll take him. But don't let him off any kind of a leash. He will go straight uniparty every single time.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, and he's already proven that. Thank you for pointing that out.
SPEAKER 01 :
But I don't know about replacing him because you're going to replace him with the same crap anyway. If you can control the guy, I guess he can stay. Let's put it that way.
SPEAKER 02 :
If anyone can, probably Donald Trump can now. So since... I remember with Obama, the seas were supposed to recede and the temperatures were supposed to decline. And somehow that did not happen. But somehow nobody blames Obama for that. Oddly enough, it still goes on. So can we expect or let me just put it this way. Do you expect. that Donald Trump actually has some sincere beliefs about the climate bamboozle and that he'll do something solid to disassemble it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, absolutely. You can go back to the night. I think it was 1989 when he was on Oprah Winfrey. The core values of Donald Trump have always been America first against globalism. against this idea that we are going to be beholden to international bureaucrats. And the climate agenda just screams at Donald Trump's strengths. He does not want to be beholden to the World Health Organization, which declares climate change an existential threat to the World Economic Forum, to the United Nations. And he has every action he's taking is dismantling it. I'm just looking for permanence this time. He's got to have make it so that it's extremely difficult for the next president, should they be Republican or Democrat, to try to get us back into this. And that was the failing first time around Donald Trump's first term. He just didn't go far enough. He pulled us out of U.N. by the time we actually formally got out. There was like two weeks left or maybe there was like six weeks left. in his presidency. This time, again, he's got to do stuff with permanence, and it's hard. And I like what he's doing, you know, with trying to cut budgets, but, you know, a Republican Congress, I'd say last time around, Donald Trump had a one-third cut in the EPA budget. The first time he submitted it, it was dead on arrival in the Republican Congress. So the real problem Donald Trump's going to face is the uniparty, and it's Republicans and Democrats who don't want to, and I'll even go a shocking step further. And I have to be careful how I say this, but his three picks in climate energy, Chris Wright, who's an awesome CEO of Liberty Energy from Colorado for Energy Department, Doug Burgum for Interior, and Lee Zeldin for EPA. All three, under Senate questioning, caved and gave into the narrative of climate change. You know, climate's a problem. We need a global solution. And it was vomit-inspiring. And why? Because if we're going to defeat this climate scam once and for all, you've got to be able to go to the country club. You've got to be able to go to the cocktail parties. You've got to be able to go to the PTA meetings. You've got to be able to say it in school, at university. You've got to be able to say it in the grocery store aisles. You can't pay lip service because that means you're still supporting it intellectually and morally and everything else if you're afraid to say it. Which tells me, not so much Chris Wright, but Doug Burgum, personal friend of Bill Gates. Bill Gates was his first campaign contribution. He's a former Microsoft executive. He's praised Bill Gates' work publicly. He's all in on net zero. He loves carbon capture from North Dakota where he's a governor. Lee Zeldin is a very weak Republican on climate, New York Republican. He's on footage, a film, I believe it was Showtime, it's called Years of Living Dangerously, as caving in to the climate activists on camera in his office and joining the Republicans Coalition Climate Solutions Club. I'm not saying they won't work out, but what I'm saying is they have not renounced their past. They're very politically expedient. and they're going along right now and they're afraid they're thinking of their future viability within the uniparty that's what i say and that worries me because that tells me right off the bat epa and interior are not going to be that activist they're going to do the very minimum which is what you would expect among uniparty under trump and it brings me back to my main thesis is this is a time of great caution we should be celebrating and i am but I was a volunteer in Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1980. My older brother worked on the campaign inaugural committee, and I would volunteer every Saturday doing Governor Reagan's audio clips. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. Anyway, throughout the 80s, I witnessed all these great allies of Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, Howard Baker, and it turned out none of them were conservative. None of them were like Ronald Reagan. They all proved themselves to be establishment, uniparty members. We are witnessing potentially that now. I've already mentioned three cabinet members, but I'll even go so far as to say J.D. Vance has to be watched. Five years ago, he was all in on the climate scam. He was all in on solar wind subsidies. He called Donald Trump Hitler not that long ago. Now, hey, he's all with it because it's popular and it raises money and everyone's happy. Vivek Ramaswamy, same way. I don't know if I trust him. Elon Musk, I've never really trusted, but I appreciate what he's done for free speech. So I'm just saying to people, Don't let the blinders take over. Donald Trump, I believe we can trust. Past that, I'm struggling to give you names of who we can trust.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, well, I'm encouraged to hear that we can trust Donald Trump to be against the climate hysteria.
SPEAKER 01 :
because he's been assassination attempts, because he's been FBI raids, because he's been threatened with jail. I truly believe the man's sincere. You can see it in the change in his behavior. He seems like he's matured and grown up. He's not the same Donald Trump as even six months ago. He just seems so commanding and presidential. It's like, wow. I mean, this is I like this new Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. So where, you know, this climate hysteria.
SPEAKER 01 :
Sorry, I got off track on a lot of different topics there. Oh, no problem. Good stuff.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. So, you know, you get this climate brainwashing that's happened. They start with our youth. Do you have any recommendations or anything we can do about it? Because, you know, everybody I know who's like under the age of 30 is like, oh, yeah, climate change. We've got to do something about it. You hear from everybody.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes. And that's go back to his three top climate energy picks. Now you have your liberal professor, your second-grade teacher. Well, even Trump's nominees say climate's a problem that needs a global solution, and they're not deniers. So, of course we're going to teach the kids, even the Trump. That's what I'm saying. It's so corrosive to have these guys at the top of their game, terrified to stand up to the climate narrative. Anyway, having said all that, with kids. They're indoctrinated from kindergarten through college, and it's unbelievable insidious. It's permeated in the textbooks. It's permeated in all the Hollywood and the videos. It's permeated in the whole teen online culture, although there's been a great rise in recent skepticism on Instagram and these different social media platforms that TikTok and other things that kids can watch. So I think... It's shown that when you have a strong leader like Donald Trump, first of all, that calls it climate change scam and says it was invented to benefit China and we have all this fun. It has a huge impact. There was this whole idea that the young, it's been overstated, first of all, the impact of all that propaganda, because at some point you just tune it out. The exit polling showed that the climate youth that they were expecting to show up didn't show up for Kamala Harris. And that actually among that age group, it split pretty evenly. So there is no brainwashed, at least let me rephrase it. The extent of the brainwashed youth movement was nowhere near as much as we had feared or the other side had hoped because youth broke. And I think a lot of that was the UFC and Dana White and Joe Rogan getting a lot of the males and young men involved in the campaign. It's a great question. And I think parents, that's why I wrote the book, Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change. It's an A to Z compendium. And I actually have a whole chapter devoted to that. But there's also groups out there now that are doing alternative textbooks, or I shouldn't say textbook. They're alternative curriculum for parents, particularly for private school, homeschool, that stuff. It's not going to fly in almost every public school. Teachers unions aren't going to allow anything that challenges that. I've testified at the Common Core curriculums. In different states, most notably West Virginia, where they were going to say there's no dissent. We actually had small victories there where the state of West Virginia would only allow core curriculum to teach certain things and ban some other stuff they considered propaganda. So the biggest thing is parents have to be engaged in the education of their kids and scour those textbooks because they're usually just absolute drivel.
SPEAKER 05 :
I've heard you recommend. The best thing to do is take them out of the public schools.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, you can. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. I mean, not anyone can afford private school. It's not practical always to do homeschooling, but it's.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I don't let anybody off that easy. No, my wife came from Japan. She didn't even speak English. We homeschooled all three of our kids. Not nearly as hard. You have no excuse to put your kids in the government schools. I'm sorry. I don't let anyone get by with that. And so and Mr. Moreno, I want to I appreciate the fact that you've given us. A yardstick. How can we judge this? And a stick. We need a yardstick and we need a stick and we need to keep these people in line. It's a scam. It's hysteria. It's communism dressed up in green. That's all. And the fact that we have a president that's willing to say that, hopefully that's a step in the right direction that we finally have some bureaucrats who he can drag along with him. And we appreciate you helping us understand how to recognize if what's happening is real or not.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, let me just say final thing is I wrote the book, The Great Reset, Global Leaks and the Permanent Lockdown. That was just two years ago, just came out. And the gist of it is this is the global community trying to ration our energy, ration our foods production. They're coming after particularly meat, high yield agriculture. They want to ration it, raise the price. due to the climate, and John Kerry said it was coming here to the U.S. Donald Trump stopped that. And then also our freedom of movement, France banning short-haul flights, CNN proposing carbon passports for our travel, the ban on gas-powered cars. This was the great reset. Food, transportation, energy, and of course our free speech. Donald Trump's election, it could be the most consequential election in our lifetime, surpassing Ronald Reagan or whatever, if you're on the left, maybe you were enamored with Bill Clinton or Obama. This is huge because we are fighting back on all of those fronts, particularly just free speech alone and national sovereignty. And it's unbelievable. I expect a cultural change. And that's what was disappointing about the three picks not standing up on climate. But within a couple of years, look at the 1970s versus 1980s and what Reagan was able to usher in. I think we're seeing the end of. Transgender cult, the critical race theory, diversity, equity, inclusion, and hopefully the climate as well. Culturally, I mean, I'm watching Saturday Night Live is doing unbelievable skits, making fun. They're doing lesbian jokes about Rachel Maddow. I mean, I don't think you would have seen that a month ago or two months ago. Stalking stuff. That's what I mean by cultural stuff. We might actually return to a culture that appreciates free speech and cancel culture can go away. So this is just huge is all I can say is Donald Trump's presidency. Let's just hope he continues to success and the pace at which he's been going. It's phenomenal.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thank you for mentioning The Great Reset. I highly recommend that book to everybody. You've got quite a few books that really point to this issue of climate change hysteria, man-made climate change, and just how important it is for our listeners who are not aware of this. This is serious stuff. They want to control the steak dinner you have. Down in Florida, if you want to go on vacation, all of these things, they're a totalitarian worldview thing. And they want to control our lives and all in the name of climate change, man-made climate change that is based on a lot of fake science. You know, Mark, I'd love to have you on again sometime in the future. We can go into a little bit more detail on the science behind all of this. But I thought it was important for our listeners to find out just how serious this issue is. and how important it is to fight climate change. And Mark, you just don't know how greatly I appreciate what you've done. You're a tireless warrior for this. And now you've come on to our show, shared with our audience what's going on. And for decades now, you've been fighting this fake science of man-made climate change.
SPEAKER 01 :
So thank you very much. Thank you, Fred. Thank you, Doug. Thanks a lot.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. We'll keep in touch, Mr. Moreno. God bless you.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'd love to come back.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thanks.
SPEAKER 05 :
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And we've been doing those meetings there for over three years. And we probably should have kept a Tuesday miracle log because we've had so many. And people getting born again, set free, finding new friends. The list could go on and on. And, you know, even Jack was mentioned in the newspaper out in Strasburg.
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Yeah. Yes.
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Jack the meter man.
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Yes. The meter reader.
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It was really, really a neat article about Jack. Jack and Nancy are frequent visitors to our class. In fact, not just visitors. They're kind of old timers. But we have a good time and we see people growing in the Lord. And that's so exciting to me to see people that are fighting that great big monster, the big main monster the devil throws against us as that monster called fear. And it's not just called a monster in scripture. It's called a spirit monster.
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That's right. And it is sin. When we give into those things, so many of us, we give into fear or we give into anxiety or worry. And I know some people don't believe those are sins, but those are sins. And it says God didn't give us the spirit of fear. And it's because it is so detrimental in our lives. God isn't that kind of God to give us that fear. But he gave us power and love and a sound mind. And Darren, that's such a reassurance. Praise God. I need to apologize. I need to apologize to you and the listening audience. You're speaking to me? Yes, I'm speaking to you. I need to apologize to all of you because yesterday Holy Spirit was nudging me saying, you know, you had a couple of prophetic words for people and he was saying ears, ears. and someone has a problem with their ears, and they just cannot hear. It's either a big vacuum, it's like they're inside of a drum, or it's ringing, or something like that. And I didn't say anything on the show. Of course, we had three calls, and half an hour just goes boom, boom, and it's gone. And so all afternoon, he kept... telling me about ears last night. We get to the meeting and we had such a great time. And I'll tell you, over 50 people came during that. It was windy and cold. I mean, and I'll tell you, I was amazed. We have some really true diehards in the Lord. I just, I love all of you. Praise God.
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What's your apology?
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So, and then I get there and during prayer, Holy Spirit is saying ears again. And I didn't do it. And I just ask your forgiveness because I got home and I started reading the envelopes. And one of the prayer requests was, please pray for my ears. I have ringing in my ears. So in Jesus name, I thank you, Father God, that if this person is listening or any of you that have problems with your ears this morning. Put your hand over your ears in Jesus name. I know Holy Spirit wants to heal you because he was nudging me all day yesterday. I asked his forgiveness and he is ready to heal you today. And in Jesus name, I thank you, Father, that you are going by the unction of Holy Spirit to everyone that has a problem in their ears so that they can open their ears, their natural ears in here. And Father God, I ask also that you open their spiritual ears. to hear the word of God. In Jesus' name, thank you for this healing. Hallelujah. Amen.
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Well, we also had a marvelous miracle shared with us last night. A lady who received a tremendous miracle in the class probably two months ago has been coming alone by herself the last few weeks because her husband was working night shift. Well, he held up his hand last night. He said, I had a major miracle. I got a new job and twice the pay that I had before.
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Isn't that great?
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And, you know, we prayed for things like that, that God would just bring around the best employment possible But he's the type of guy that will go out and ask, make himself available for those openings. And, you know, you can pray and pray in your prayer closet, but some days you have to get out and go out and fill out a job application. You have to go out and make a move. And I have a letter in front of me here, and I'll let you put the name on this guy that you want to put on him. I mean, if you would describe this guy.
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Well, we can just call him Single Guy.
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Single Guy. Okay. In fact, that's the way he signed his letter. Now, I'm not going to tell you whether he's in Garden City, Kansas, Georgetown, Colorado, Carr, Colorado, Otis, Joe's, Raton, New Mexico, down in Canadian, Texas. I'm not going to say where this guy's from, okay? But he's from a small town. Okay, here's what he says. Dear Darren, I'm writing to you because during your show I'm working. I don't always get a chance to listen to your show. I don't have a computer. Now here's my details. I'm 36 years old, a male. I've never been married. I have no kids. That's good. Darren, I'd like to be, well, I mean, you shouldn't probably have kids if you have never been married, right?
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That's true.
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I would like a miracle because I live in a small town and all the Christian women here are in high school. Well, he probably should draw a line through that option.
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I don't think that's the total truth, though, either. I think there are other single women who are Christians.
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He said, yes, I am a born-again Christian. I want to meet the soulmate of my life. Pray for me. Would you write to me and let me know? Well, instead of writing, I'm going to send him a copy of this tape. But here's what I'm going to say. You know, I've driven up and down I-25 for many, many thousands of miles. I've never seen anybody catch trout in the middle of I-25. Well, you say, how stupid an illustration. Well, no, it's not really stupid. The reason you don't catch trout in the middle of I-25 is there's no trout there.
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That's right.
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So if you want to find trout, you're probably going to have to get off the highway and drive up in the mountains and find a stream where there is some trout.
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And we're not saying there are no single Christian women there, but he just hasn't met them.
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Well, it sounds like it. But here's my point. If I want to catch catfish and I'm fishing for catfish, I've just got to have catfish. Probably I'm going to have to maybe go to Kansas or down in Oklahoma or down into Texas. I'm going to go down where they have a lot of warm water. If I want catfish, if you're going to catch what you're after, you got to go where they are. That's my point. And I, you know, we have a lot of people talk to us and they give us, they give us, they just think they've got an impossible situation. No, you know, there are no borders there. keeping you from driving to Denver. And there are a lot of single, wonderful Christian ladies here in Denver.
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Job opportunities are absolutely wonderful. Job opportunities are wonderful. In fact, probably better than in this little town.
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In this little town. Okay. Also, I know a little bit about Tulsa, Oklahoma. I mean, there's an abundance of singles there, both men and women. And if you're not finding what you're looking for where you are, guess what? Get yourself in the vehicle and get going.
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That's right. There's Bible school there, and I'll tell you, there are people that are 45 and 50 going to that Bible school.
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And some older than that.
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And I know two men from this exact area where he's from. After graduating from high school, they went to Tulsa, and they found their wives in Tulsa. I mean, we just read here in Genesis, Darren, about Isaac. He didn't have a wife, and Abraham sent the servant to the foreign country, Haran, which was many days east of where they lived. to find a wife for him. Also, Jacob, he ran away from home for fear of his brother Esau, but he found a wife in another country also. So they left home and they found a wife. Now, if you say, well, I can't leave home, then you are limiting God because there's no such thing as I can't. I know I lived in the Greeley area for 40 years. And Darren, when you were talking about moving to Denver, I said, oh, this is home. I can't do that. And God almost had to kick me out of there. But he did. And praise God that he did, because our life has changed. And I'm so fulfilled and satisfied.
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And you like Denver.
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Oh, I love Denver. Yes. A lot of people in like city.
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We happen to like it.
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Well, I'm from the country. I was raised on a farm.
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Now, here's what we're saying, folks. Some of you are where you are, and you're complaining because there are just no opportunities. And I would agree with you. In some communities, there are very limited or no opportunities, maybe for marriage or for job, for employment, for advancement. Don't let fear keep you there. You may be in a very comfortable paralytic. Now, I want you to hear me, paralytic loop situation. Some of you are in a paralytic loop in the middle of Denver saying, oh, I just can't find a good church. Oh, I just can't find anybody to fellowship. I can't find anybody to lay hands on me and pray the prayer of faith and put their faith with mine so I can get healed. Or I could find a better job if somebody just agreed. Oh, I can't find any good friends. Hey, try Tuesday night. We have some delightful people on Tuesday night.
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Well, or try so many times in these apartment complexes, there's community centers. Try getting out of your little four walls and meeting the person across the hall or meeting the person down the street. It does take effort on your part. You cannot sit at home, watch television and expect to find somebody or a job or be in fellowship. That is impossible. And so we encourage you. You must make a decision. God has the best for you, but you have to believe that if he sends you somewhere, it's the very best for you.
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You know, I've talked to quite a few people that were doing the loop, and they were paralyzed in their situation. And they said, oh, Brother Darren, would you pray for me? And they'd give me a request, something like this. You know, I need to find a wife, or I need to find a husband, or I need to find a better job. And I have a rather creative mind, so I'd stand there for a little bit, and I'd say, well, have you thought about it? Oh, no, I couldn't. No, no, that wouldn't work. And, you know, you go through six or eight or ten options. And then they got all the reasons why that wouldn't work. And then I walk away saying, well, guess I just found out why it just won't work for them. They're going to be locked in. Or I might tell somebody, you know, you could be healed. Oh, let me tell you about my family. They start giving me their family medical history. And I say, now I know why you're not healed. is you have accepted the limitations of your situation, and that's tragic. That is really, really tragic.
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It is.
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Don't allow the devil to get you in a corner and plaster up all the walls and do all that kind of stuff, and then you tell me, well, I just can't get out of here. Yes, you can. Mm-hmm. Yes, you can. And praise God, we still live in a free country. Bless God. And there are no fences across I-70 or I-25 or I-80. We flew this weekend down to Phoenix, and there weren't any doors on Phoenix keeping us out of there or out of Tucson. And when we got back to Denver, there were no barbed wire fences keeping us out of Denver.
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Praise God.
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Now, come on, folks. There's a way to change your circumstances, and it might be that you have to put down your pet little idol called fear. Now, I have been there. I know what it's like to feel fearful. I know what it's like to say, well, there's new territory. I mean, could I get a job? Yes, I've driven clear across the country and found a job in a brand-new city.
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I think it also involves laziness, too, because we get into a rut or we get into a schedule or a routine. And the very idea of getting out of that is just absolutely impossible for us to think about. And because we're so familiar with what we're doing, we can't possibly get into any new adventure or area. And I say, wow, that is that's tremendous to be able to think about. Hey, I'm going to do something brand new that I've never done before and get excited about it.
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And you've got to know this, that God is in your town, whether it's a little town, a big town, or a big city. He's there. But he's also down the road and around the bend and over the hill. He's there also. And if you give him a chance, and I look at it this way. When I drive through the farming communities, I look at a grain elevator, and sometimes I see these trucks that drive in for a load of grain. And you know that grain is not going to come out in the middle of the street. It's not going to be half a mile down the other end of town. You have to get under that spout in the elevator for that grain to drop in your truck. Some of you are trying to get God's glory where you are. And God says, look. My glory is going to be on your life and my blessing is going to be on your life 50 miles down the road. And you're going to have to move. If you're going to find that place of blessing, you're going to have to move.
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Well, that's what he did with Abraham. That's what he did with Joseph. That's what he did with many, many.
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Abraham's father was an idol maker. They had to be very wealthy, but God says, Abraham, you're moving. And he didn't have a map. He didn't really know where he was going. He just believed God and went for it.
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Oh, and he had much more success than if he would have stayed there. Also, I have a verse from Genesis 28, verse 20 through 22, when Jacob had run away from home to go to his uncle Laban's house, his mother Rebecca's brother. And he saw a ladder going down from heaven and angels up and down the ladder. I think that was God telling him, I'm going to take care of you, Jacob. And Jacob said something to God. God, if you will be with me and will keep me on this journey that I take and give me food to eat and garments to wear, and I can return to my father's house in safety, which he did many years later. Then this stone, which I have set up as an altar, as a pillar will be God's house. And of that thou does give me, I will give you a 10th of all that you give me. Now, this is the second time that this tide is mentioned once with Abraham meeting Melchizedek. Now with Jacob, I believe Darren, when we put God first and we say, God, I'm going to get to know you and you're going to bring all of my desires together. If this young man can say, Father God, I'm going to give you the first part of my day. I'm going to make sure that I tithe and I give you what is yours. And I'm going to make sure that my life is congruent, Lord, the way you asked me to do it. Then God will bring the woman in his life. I truly believe that.
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Now, I believe this too, Barbara, that many times God just gives us a choice. And let me give you an example. We talked to a lot of people are from North Dakota. So let me pick on North Dakota for a minute. If you don't like real cold winters and real hot summers, you probably shouldn't live in Bismarck, North Dakota. Now, I haven't lived there, but that's what they tell me. They have hot, hot summers and they have real cold winters. Well, guess what? You have a choice. And if you don't like cold weather, why don't you move south? And, you know, God may just be saying, you know, I don't care whether you live in Albuquerque or whether you live in Riverside, California, or whether you live in Tucson, Arizona. I don't really care. Or maybe you want to go down to Brownsville, Texas. I just don't care. But see, I believe that he gives us many times that choice.
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I know. I've always wondered when there's a great flood along a river or something and all their houses are absolutely flooded. And this doesn't happen just once in 100 years. This happens maybe every 25 or 30 years. Or every 10 years. They've got to rebuild. Or on the slopes of California and their house goes down to the sea and they build there again. I'm going... Are they stupid or something? I mean, I would get up on the shore far away, at least two or three miles away, if I knew that might happen again. And people are, what are they, creatures of habit? They have got to go and rebuild again.
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You know, many people tend their life, I should have, would have, could have, you know, I could have done better, I should have moved, and they didn't move.
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They didn't move.
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They didn't move.
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And they got destroyed, man.
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Well, let's talk to, there's a lady on the phone, Pam in North Glen, how are you?
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Hi, Darren. Hi, Barbara. Hi. How are you? Doing good. Great. Last night when I left the meeting, and I was talking to you, Barbara, last night about my husband.
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Yes.
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And a ton of bricks fell on me as I was turning the corner into the driveway. My husband is a reasoner and a planner. And I know you're supposed to ponder. And that's a lot different than reasoning, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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And... How do I go about praying that reasoning thing away from him?
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Well, I believe that Ephesians 1, 17 and 18 is really good. And I would really pray to know that he is, I mean, born again. I know sometimes it's really hard for a wife to sit down with a husband and Honey, do you really know that Jesus is Lord of your life? If you know that, then you can read Ephesians 1, 17 and 18 and pray that for him, that his eyes, the spiritual eyes would be open for him. Because I know you and I have talked about it, that he just doesn't believe in giving to the Lord. And that is a real important part of being a born again Christian. And so we need to ask God to change that mindset that he has, because it is really carnal. It is a carnal mindset that he has. So change those patterns of what he grew up thinking and hungering and thirsting. That's another thing you need to pray for him. Matthew five, six. Oh, good. Good. That's great.
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I would bless your husband with the thirst for righteousness. And Pam, let me say this to you. I spent several years in college. But if the colleges had the answers, you know, we'd be lined up from here to Boulder trying to break the doors down to get in there. And the answers for mankind are not really found at the mind and the reason level. They're found in the heart. And one reason we have so many metal breakdowns in the United States is we try to reason and we're trying to make the mind do something God didn't create it to do. The mind really needs to be a servant of the spirit. So can I read a little scripture to you? Sure. Okay, in Romans 8.6 it says, For it does not subject itself to the law of God. It's not even able to do so. And those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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Oh, that's good.
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And, you know, we try to get people to have a spiritual identity, and many people try to have a mental identity. They say, above all, I have to reason, I have to think, I have to figure things out, I have to deduct, I have to, you know, all that stuff. And that person is really bound that does that. So I suspect your husband is bound just because he's depending on his mind too much.
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That's what I see here more and more that I've been home. Right.
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So then fear, of course, is right there at the door to paralyze a person's thinking. And this is a scary world. If you don't really trust in God, this is a scary world. Because all you have to do is read just the headlines. If you didn't read the paper, just read the headlines. Just listen to a little CNN news. I mean, you'd freak out. And it's no wonder that there are a lot of people committing suicide today. And a lot of the younger people today are taking that option of suicide. They're saying, hey, the adults haven't figured this out. They've screwed up our world. And I just think I'm just going to check out. And a lot of them do. And that's because they're trying to reason it out, trying to figure it out. And there are a lot of things, very honestly, you just plain won't figure. Know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. Now, he won't let you give your tithe, right?
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Well, we go around and around about it. I'm trying to be a submissive wife, which is hard for me to do sometimes. But he's a money handler, and he does it really well. Except for that.
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Does he do it really well? Yes, he does. Do you have everything that you desire?
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Um...
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90% of it, yes. Do you? Okay. I'm saying if you would talk to him and say, could I take the money that I earn and give that 10%? You're not asking him to give you all the paycheck to God, all your paycheck to God. You're just asking for 10% of your paycheck. And let's do an experiment for 90 days.
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Okay. I was going to suggest that, but. With me not working for the past couple of months, I know that's a lame excuse.
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Well, but now you are working again, right?
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I'll be starting here at the end of the week. Okay.
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Yeah, I would agree with Barbara there. I believe God will just do things for you.
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I do, too.
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Your husband needs to see something.
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That's right.
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God's not beyond being challenged there. In fact, this is one area and only area in Scripture where he says, test me. Try me out. Try me out.
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Okay. Because I think he's a reasoner and he's overwhelmed by that fierce thing going on. We're not going to have enough money.
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Well, I tell you what, when you pray for your husband, buy him the spirit of fear.
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Okay.
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Yeah, and bless him with peace and with righteousness.
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Yeah.
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All right, Pam.
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God bless you. God bless.
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We love you.
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Love you, too. Okay. Bye-bye.
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Let's talk to Seal and Greeley. How are you?
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I'm doing pretty good. Good. I've looked into you guys off and on for quite some time, but this is the first time I actually got through when you were actually there. Oh, well, good to know.
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Well, we're glad you called.
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I was... I was listening, and I just came out of an appointment and heard you talking about going and getting a job somewhere else and getting out of the four walls. Right. I just wanted to share with you an experience that my husband and I had. We were living in Minnesota, and we were planning our vacation to northern Minnesota. And the night before we left, we really felt like the Lord was telling us to come to Colorado to visit his mother. And so the next day, instead of going to northern Minnesota, we came to Colorado. While we were here, we had been thinking we'd always wanted to move back here so he could be by his mom. And it's been, it was, I think, like 10 years. And while we were here, all of a sudden we thought, you know, Oh, let's see if there's jobs. And we were here for a week. During that week, I called on a job position, got a job. My husband went back, or we all went back. I quit my job that I had. and we moved to colorado did your husband get a job here too yes he did actually he came here on the promise of a job oh and um he didn't even know for sure if he'd get it or not um but if you trust that god is faithful and he is telling you that that's where you need to be um all it's going to work out exactly so has he taken care has he taken care of you Oh, yes. I mean, it did take time for my husband to get here because we had to sell our other home. But we had time to see each other like we met in between for a couple months. But the good thing was within two weeks of my husband getting here, Here, we bought a new home.
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Oh, praise God.
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And I think it was just the timing, because the people whose home that we bought had been thinking about selling their home, and so God wanted to place us in the place where we were.
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Yes.
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And He didn't want us to get a different home, so there were other things that had to fall in line. So it's really been wonderful.
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Good.
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We've been working and doing... Well, actually, now I'm a stay-at-home mom, so... God's blessing us tremendously because we listen.
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Yes, that's right. And you obeyed. You did more than listen. Shema. That word Shema is in Deuteronomy 6.4. And it's a Hebrew word meaning listen with the intent of obeying. That's what you did. That's what you did.
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You know, I was listening yesterday with Dr. Zodiati.
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Oh, yeah.
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It was so wonderful. And I had always wanted a Hebrew-Greek study Bible. I had Dr. Sodiatis, and I gave it to my pastor because he'd always wanted one, and I just gave it to him as a gift.
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Well, you blessed your pastor.
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So do you have one? No. Well, I got a cheap one, and it wasn't the same one. I didn't realize that. I thought I was getting the same one, and I don't like it as much, but... It'll work until I can get a different one.
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Well, we'll pray that you get a Dr. Zodiani's Hebrew-Greek study.
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Yes, thank you. Yes, I'm going to be looking for the New Testament one that he was talking about. The Greek one.
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Yes, the Greek one.
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You know, we were so honored to be able to interview a man of that stature on our show. I mean, that's like a dream for us. We've had his Bible for a number of years, and that was actually a rerun that we did on Monday. because we weren't able to get on the plane. All the planes were full coming back from Phoenix. So we did rerun that show, and so many people are blessed.
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Oh, I'm glad you did because I would have missed it because I didn't get to hear it before that.
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God bless you. Listen, if you're not on our mailing list and you haven't gotten a devotional from us this year, we'd be happy to send you one if you give John your name and address. Okay. All right. Wonderful.
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Thank you so much.
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Delightful call. It was great.
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Thanks, Celia.
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Bye now. Bye. Wow, what a great praise report. Yeah.
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Amen. It's important. Amen. I'll tell you, we have just about a minute to go. And folks, we want to tell you, we absolutely love doing these radio shows. And more than that, we love watching our listeners grow in the Lord. Yes.
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In this episode of Through the Bible, we delve into the powerful teachings of the book of Hosea as Dr. J. Vernon McGee guides us through the trials of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Ignoring God's word not only led to spiritual adultery but also brought about God's judgment in a dramatic and prophetic transition. As we reflect on the message shared by the evangelist D.L. Moody and stories from Dr. McGee's own ministry, we're prompted to consider the essential role of scripture in our everyday lives. Throughout Hosea chapter 4, we witness the consequences that befell Israel when they neglected their sacred texts. Dr. McGee draws parallels to modern times, illustrating how turning our backs on divine guidance can lead to moral decay and personal dissatisfaction. Whether through personal anecdotes or deep scriptural insights, this episode calls listeners to introspection and a return to God’s word. Join us as we uncover the inhibitors to spiritual fulfillment and the inevitable consequences of idolatry and sin. Whether you are a long-time believer, a part of our World Prayer Team, or someone in search of spiritual clarity, this study provides profound insights. Prepare to embark on this enlightening journey through Scripture with renewed understanding.
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The foundation, ye saints of the Lord, is laid for your faith.
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The evangelist D.L. Moody was right when he said, The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible. Listening to and obeying God's Word is a protection over our lives. And that's one reason that I'm so glad that you're here at Through the Bible, ready to get into God's Word with Dr. J. Verna McGee. And as you know, we're in the book of Hosea on our five-year journey through the whole word. And in this study, we're going to learn how the northern kingdom of Israel turned away from God because they forgot his word. Well, not only did they forget it, they wanted nothing to do with it. They completely turned their backs on God's ways. And you know, that's when God's man Hosea stepped up and said, my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge of God's word. And then he relayed God's chilling consequence. Because you forgot the law of your God, I will also forget your children. I will change your glory into shame. Wow. I don't know about you, but that sobering pronouncement makes me sit up and listen. We're in Hosea chapter four. So as you open your Bible, let's listen to Dr. McGee's introduction on why God will judge his people.
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Now God says that he must judge the nation. And he says that he will change their glory into shame. Now the glory of Israel was actually the temple with the Shekinah glory upon it and his visible presence with the nation and his definite leading of them. And they're witness to the world of that day of monotheism. In a world of polytheism, they worship the living and the true God. That was their glory. It brought the Queen of Sheba from the ends of the earth. Now what is happening is this. God says, I will remove my glory from you. I'll remove my blessing from you. And I will judge you. I'll let the enemy come in upon you and take you away. And of course, the enemy is going to be able to say, look, they said they were God's chosen people. And look what's happening to them. And apparently their God's not a very strong God. Friends, we're seeing today in this land of ours something very similar to that. God is judging many churches and he's closing many doors today. You can look about you in this land of ours and see that God is still judging. And we are inclined to say, isn't it a shame to see a decline in a certain church? Well, maybe God closed the door. We need to recognize that only God today can afford to judge his own people, and he does that.
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Before jumping into our study, I invite you to join our World Prayer Team. Together we pray for listeners like Nora in the Philippines who writes this. I heard your message and want to know if you will really be forgiven. I have sinned in the past and I have thought that I am unforgivable. I got involved with another man and our entire village knows. I'm hurting and crying right now, but your words in my language of Locano comfort me and give me hope. For the first time, I feel as if God might accept me as I am. Please tell me what to do next. Please tell me more about Jesus and how I can be redeemed. Are you ready to join us for the journey? Well, hop aboard as we pray for millions of listeners like this one all over the world by signing up at ttb.org forward slash pray. And let's do that now. Thank you, Heavenly Father. Thank you for the privilege of hearing your word. Help us to turn what distracts us and do what pleases you. Thank you for allowing us to be a part of sharing your word with the world. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. We're off to Hosea 4 on Through the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee.
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Now, we got down last time through the sixth verse of the fourth chapter of Hosea. And again, I'd like to say that this sixth verse here of this fourth chapter is considered one of the most familiar verses that we have. It's one that is quoted a great deal. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. And that's the way it opens. I went through it last time, and I'll not go any farther than that. But it was a lack of the knowledge of the Word of God that was the background of the sin of these people. The minute that Christian friend, you get away from the Word of God, you could not live a triumphant Christian life by any means. You could not live well-pleasing to the Lord. And I do not care how many of these method conferences you go to that have all these little gimmicks that if you do this and do that and do the other thing, that things are going to work all right for you in your home and in your place of business and in your social life, and everything will work out right. My friend, the Word of God makes it very clear that That's not by these little gimmicks, these little methods. It's by a knowledge of the Word of God. Now, that is as clear as the noonday sun in this book and certainly in other places. Now, will you notice as God continues to bring against the northern kingdom his judgment upon them, that is, he hands down a decision. He's going to judge them. And he has now proven that To them, his case, they broken the Ten Commandments. He went down the list and they had broken them. Now he says, as they were, verse 7, as they were increased, so they sinned against me. In other words, as the nation increased, God had promised to bless them by multiplying them. He told Abraham that. But all it did was just bring another sinner into the world. And after all, that's what happened when I came into the world. Just another sinner came into the world. But thank God, the grace of God reached down and somebody gave me the Word of God. And I was able to trust Christ as my Savior. But these people, they have an ignorance. They have no knowledge of the word of God. As they were increased, so they sinned against me. Therefore, will I change their glory into shame. God says, I'm going to turn your glory into shame. They eat up the sin of my people. They set their heart on their iniquity. They not only sin, but they like to brag about it. As a young fellow, ran with a pretty fast crowd in the bank I worked in. And we always like, especially on Monday morning, to brag about our weekend, what we did. And you know what it was, either to get drunk or... some adultery or something like that. That's what you brag about. And they not only sinned, they bragged about it. And there, verse 9 now, chapter 4 of Hosea, and there shall be like people, like priests. The unfortunate thing is that the priesthood had sunk down to the level of the congregation. Now, I have always believed, and as you've heard me say, that I started out in the ministry. I wore a Prince Albert coat and a wing collar. I look like a mule looking over a whitewash fence. But I soon gave that up. I dress just like the man sitting out in the pew. And I'm no different than that man in the pew. But I want to say this, that I want in the pulpit to give out the word of God so that I don't sink down to the level of that which is the man of the world. And today there are many ministers. They're the good guys. one man boasted to me he says you know he says my preacher says you know he says he comes out to our golf club he plays golf and i'm for that i do that i think it's great to mix with folk like that says after the game says he goes in the bar room with us has a drink with us says you know said he's just one of the fellas says i sure do like him well I wonder what God thinks about him. Like people, like priests. And I'll punish them for their ways and reward them for their doings, for they shall eat and not have enough. In other words, famine is coming to the land. And who would ever have believed that this great land of ours, just last year, a few years ago, that there would be no scarcity. Whoever heard of it, that you couldn't buy meat at the meat market, you couldn't buy bread, that there would be a scarcity of anything. May I say to you, I'm not sure. I think God judged us in the dust bowl many years ago. That's when I entered the ministry. And nobody listened to God then. Then we had to fight World War II. God judged us. And we didn't come back to God even World War II. So we've been fighting somewhere ever since. Just can't give it up. They shall eat, not have enough. They shall commit harlotry and shall not increase. You know, there's one thing, friends, about adultery. And I know today that I'm talking to a great many people that have had this in their mind and their heart because we're living in this day. And you can take it from a fellow that one time in his life before he's saved, you can never, never enjoy in a way in which God really wants you to until you can enjoy it in marriage. And when you can put your arms around the woman that you have been loving and you can say to her, I love you. above everything else in the world. Now, I say when you can say that, my friend, then there'll be an increase. And it'll be wonderful. Oh, they were committing adultery then, and they're doing it today. But actually, there's really no satisfaction in it. It's just a sort of a temporary release. And you hate yourself after that. And I know that. And some of you know that, my friend. And God knows that because that's what he's saying here. God's spelling it out for you. They shall eat and not have enough. They shall commit harlotry, adultery, and they shall not increase because they have ceased to take heed to the Lord. Harlotry and wine and new wine take away the heart. Last time we gave you all these statistics about liquor in this country today. And nobody, and I mean nobody today, is lifting a voice against this. And I don't think I've said very much about it. But I sure have said a whole lot the past couple of days. And from time to time, we do mention it. Arlatrin wine and new wine take away the heart, my friends. And part of our problem in Washington today are these two sins, harlotry, adultery, and liquor. They're the two problems in our government today. That's the reason that men lie. That's the reason that men will do crooked things. And that is not confined to one party or just one group. The whole crowd is guilty today. One writer said that in Washington, you don't know who to trust. May I say to you, what a sad commentary on our nation today. Don't tell me the new morality is working. It didn't work for Israel. They got away from the word of God and they said, we try something new. And they went in for it. The northern kingdom, you see, they had sin galore. They put up two golden calves. And with that worship of Baal, I was connected with it, the grossest forms of idolatry and the Verse 12, my people ask counsel of their idols, and their staff declareth unto them, for the spirit of harlotry hath caused them to err, and they have played the harlot departing from under their God. Now he's speaking here of the harlotry, spiritual adultery, which is turning from God. They went to inquire of idols. And today, we find people running after the gurus of India. Well, they haven't done much for India, by the way. But yet, we've had a crowd running after them. And someone has said that one of them that came over here, he said that very candidly, he came for the money. And that it was nothing in the world but a religious racket as far as he was concerned. Yet people went after him. People are going off into this type of thing today. And there's actually the worship of Satan today. I have here a clipping that comes from Daytona Beach, Florida. A group of Satan cultists tortured and beat a 17-year-old youth to death, believing he was an undercover narcotics agent, police said Wednesday. May I say to you that worship of Satan today is certainly not helping morality by any means. And these people going into idolatry, idolatry was leading them into gross immorality. Now, let me keep reading here. And They sacrifice, this is verse 13 now, chapter 4. They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains and burn incense upon the hills under oaks and poplars and elms because the shadow of them is good. That's where they put their idols, was on top of a hill under a grove. And you hear a great deal in scripture. And they found out today, archaeologists, that the center of worship of idolatry was in these groves. It was cool there, nice place to go. Therefore, your daughters shall commit harlotry and your spouses shall commit adultery. You see, the worship of idols, and we today have turned to idolatry, covetousness, All of this today, the greed of this country today has caused many a family to try to get on in the world. They want to move to a better neighborhood. They want a swimming pool. They want a boat to take down. And they say we're doing this for their children. And then all of a sudden their children take off and there are thousands. Thousands of young people today that are wandering up and down this country and all over the world. I saw them in Hawaiian Islands. I talked to three young people in Constitution Square in Athens, Greece. Two young men and a young lady. And I'm sure that none of them were beyond their teens. One of them could have been 20. And there they sat, and they were then under the influence of drugs. I tried to talk with them, and I tried to find out who they were. And they said, we're nobody. We don't count. We've dropped out. What's happened today, friends? What's taking place today? Why, the problem is back there in the home. We're idolaters. We're worshiping the almighty dollar. We've forgotten God. We've turned away from the living and true God, and we no longer worship him. And we've not turned to a savior that can redeem us and help us. Now, verse 14. He says, I will not punish your daughters when they commit harlotry, nor your spouses when they commit adultery, for they themselves are separated with harlots, and they sacrifice with harlots. Therefore, the people that doth not understand shall fall. God says ignorance, so the law excuses no one. And because these people have gone on, I'm not going to judge them for the sin they're committing right now. I'm going to judge them because they've turned from the living and true God and from his way. My friend, as I said to a man, and I met him on a golf course, by the way, and he said, joined our foursome he soon left us when he found out we were three preachers and this man made a statement well he said that he guessed that he was a sinner he'd done this that and the other said yes I guess I'll go to hell and I said brother you know you're not going to hell because you commit these sins he says what do you mean I'm not going to hell because I thought that's what you preachers said I said this preacher never said that I said you're going to hell because you've rejected Jesus Christ These people were being judged not because they had become harlots. They were judged because they've turned from the living and true God. Now, will you notice he says here, though thou Israel play the harlot, yet let not Judah offend and come not ye unto Gilgal, neither go ye up to Beth-Avon or swear the Lord liveth. God says, I'm going to hold Judah back. I'll not judge Judah yet. And Judah, don't come up and worship these calves that they put up here. Now we come to something that's quite interesting. Verse 16. For Israel slideth back like a backsliding heifer. Now the Lord will feed them as a lamb in a large place. Now, friends, let's look at what really backsliding is. A great many people think backsliding means that you have become a Christian, joined the church, and then you drop back into sin, and that's backsliding. Now, may I say to you, that's not backsliding the way it's used here. And God illustrates it so you can't miss it. For Israel slideth back like a backsliding heifer. Now, I'm very happy the fact that as a boy, I had the privilege of living in the country and in a little town. And I think I've mentioned this before. There's a live next door to us in southern Oklahoma in a little town. We lived in a rancher. He had a big ranch and he had two boys and they were both about my age. And we three played together. We used to ride these heifers out in the lot and they would, you know, tie a rope around. As we said in that day, a belly band we'd put on them. We'd hold on to that. And then they'd buck us off. Now, every now and then, this rancher would load up. This was in the days before the automobile. In a wagon, he would load up these heifers to take them to market or take them out to the ranch. And he had a great big board. That is, it was a thing constructed out of boards that he put up at the back end of the wagon. It was a runway that you just try to run the heifer up back. Well, what they'd do, you'd put a rope around the heifer, and then you'd push her from the back. And as you'd get the heifer up, she'd go a part of the way, then she'd stiffen those front feet. She'd just put them out stiff. And you know what would happen? You couldn't pull her. She'd start sliding backwards. That's what backsliding is. Backsliding heifer. They were stiffening their front feet. And instead of being led of God, they were slipping backward all the time. And backsliding means when you turn your back on God and you step on that little neck of yours and that little mind of yours and you say, I'll have nothing to do with God. You're backsliding when you do that. You see, when you refuse to go the way God wants to lead you. Now he calls Israel here a backsliding heifer. There are a lot of backsliding heifers today and bulls also, by the way. Now, let me read the next verse. Ephraim is joined to idols, let him alone. Now, we come to another word here. The word backsliding is mentioned three times in this book, and you'll recall it's only Jeremiah and Hosea, and they spoke to a nation ready to go into captivity, accused them of doing this, refusing to be led of God, refusing to come to God. Now, Ephraim, that name occurs 36 times. He picks out one of the tribes of the 10 tribes in the north and applies it to all 10 of the tribes. And I frankly have never been able to figure out just how God uses that term. Is he using it in a way that is the term of endearment or is it a term of ridicule? Now, this time through Hosea, I've come to the conclusion that it's a term of endearment. It's a pet name. You see, Israel in the north had really no name as a nation. Judah in the south was really the nation. And these 10 tribes had revolted, you see. And now God gives them, I think, a pet name. And you'll find all the way through, it'll occur 36 times, Ephraim. And he says this in, I would say, a longing sort of way, but with a note of finality. He says here, Ephraim is joined to idols, let him alone. God says there comes a day in a man's life that if he keeps on being in a backslidden condition, refusing to listen to God, there'll come a day when God no longer can speak to that man. Now he says to them, your drink is sour. You'll become an alcoholic if you keep at it, brother. And it's not a disease. It's a sin. Their drink is sour. They have committed harlotry continually. Her rulers love shame more than glory. And the sad thing today is that we have men in government in high places instead of using a language that is clean. And chase. They love to cuss. And they love to drink. They love the shame more than glory. The wind hath bound her up in its wing. They're carried away by every wind of doctrine. And they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices. God says, I'm going to make them ashamed before it's over with. Well, that brings us to the conclusion of chapter 4. Begin chapter 5 next time. Until then, may God richly bless you, my beloved.
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In this captivating episode, Liz Franzel sits down with Nick Vujicic, a motivational speaker and founder of Nick V Ministries, to explore the profound impact of human trafficking in America. With his personal triumph over physical and mental obstacles as a backdrop, Nick calls upon listeners to recognize and combat the insidious issue of modern slavery. Discover how you can contribute to protecting vulnerable communities as we reveal the frightening truth behind the statistics, and learn tangible steps you can take to make a difference.
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This is Liz Franzel with Crawford Media Group, and today we are privileged to have Nick Vujicic with us today. He is the founder and CEO of Nick V Ministries, renowned speaker around the world and best-selling author. This month is National Human Trafficking Month, and we'll be talking about his mission to end this horrific crime against humanity. Nick, it's an honor to have you here with us today.
SPEAKER 01 :
Liz, thank you so much for having me on.
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Nick, you have such an amazing testimony and for our listeners that might not know, you were born with no arms or legs and you have overcome what some would say are impossible circumstances, but we know that all things are possible with God and you are a testament to that. Can you tell us a little bit about your story and how you overcame incredible challenges?
SPEAKER 01 :
Look, thank you so much for asking. I am so blessed at 42 years of age to be able to always let everyone know that first and foremost, having no limbs sounds pretty difficult. But I always tell people that it's not about the physical difficulties as much as the disabilities of the heart and the mind. And for me, you know, people could look at me at school and judge me or decide if they interact with me, isolate themselves from me or even bully me. And I think it was around age six that I knew that I was different than everyone else. And for the first time, I thought, well, that might be an issue. I was raised in a beautiful, loving home, went to church every week. My dad was a pastor, and I was asked by many people, why were you born this way? I did not know why. My brother and sister were born with limbs. People then asked me, what do you want to be when you grow up? I had no idea what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I really felt like I was a burden to my parents. I had ups and downs at school as any student, but obviously had a lot of unwanted attention and definitely fears about my future. The Bible says that God has a hope, plan, and future, and I didn't understand if that verse would really be for me ever. I thought I'd be a burden to everyone around me, never get married, never be happy, never have children, never even get a job. And so I premeditated and planned a suicide attempt at age 10. I attempted in my bathtub and tried to drown myself because all I could see were broken pieces. And by the grace of God, I was stopped by one thought, imagining my parents at my grave wishing they could have done something more. And I didn't want to leave them with that pain. And I just am so glad I decided to stay by His grace. Age 15, I read John chapter 9, a man was born blind. No one knew why he was born that way. And Jesus was asked, why was he born with his disability? And I very much, as you can imagine, related to that story. The blind man gets the fingers of Jesus that are sticky and icky from the mud, and then he sees. And the blind man didn't ask any questions. And I realized, God, if you had a plan for a blind man, And you have a plan for me. And the blind man didn't ask for your plan, but he trusted you. And so, God, today I trust you with my greatest disability of death, of sin, that both you conquered on the cross, Jesus. And so I gave my life to Jesus at 15. At 17, I became vice president of my high school. I did a speech. And the janitor pulled me aside later, and he said, God's going to use you to go around the world. and share your story. And I actually said, I have no story. I don't know what you're talking about. And by the grace of God, started ministry at age 19. I've now gone to 84 countries, met 34 presidents and prime ministers. A billion people in China know who I am, and a billion people in India know who I am. And then out of the story, obviously not preaching, preaching. But then outside of those two closed countries, We've been in many others preaching the gospel to 10% of the whole world.
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That is absolutely an amazing testimony and I thank you for sharing that. I know who you are and that's why it's such a privilege to be able to talk with you today and I'm so thrilled that we can share you with our listeners. Today we are talking about human trafficking because this month is National Human Trafficking. You know, it's getting more attention but it's still not really being acknowledged a lot by the media. Give us some insight on what it is and how this even happens.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, look, there's so many different things that I needed to learn. I really want people to go to nickveeministries.org, find out the champions for the Brokenhearted series, click on human trafficking. For two years, we've been actually interviewing experts in different fields, including human trafficking, to really understand where this really is in our own backyard and For about two decades, everyone thought that this was more of an international problem. But more so, people are realizing it's actually happening in our own schools, in front of our own children. They don't need to be as violent kidnapping people for sex slavery in our own backyard. They just get lured in from social media, actually, by peers of their school now. People don't understand that a lot of media attention is not really going down to the root issue. People don't still know that there are $100 million worth of lobbying money for bills to pass continually pornographic material in our country. People don't understand that 67% of all teenagers are actually producing sexual images of themselves on their cell phones. People don't understand that one in three girls by age 17 have been raped in America. One out of five boys by age 17 raped in America. What's devious of all these things and other things that, I mean, it's very dark, very heavy to also understand the CPS and foster care system. I have had many friends in the foster care, incredible opportunity to help these children. and they ask these three siblings who are two, four, and six, hey, let's take a photo together as a family. And one of them says, okay, and comes back naked. And so there's a ton, ton, ton of foster kids waiting to go into a loving, protected home. There's a lot of corruption in our country, a lot of fragmented systems between county to county, and it's pretty disgusting as we learn these things. But What's most devious is no one who actually is being trafficked will say that they're being trafficked because they don't think they're being trafficked because they actually get brainwashed. And so what's crazy is, well, that's just what we do. This is who we are. And this is my new circle. It's unbelievable. And this is actually infiltrated to coaches, teachers and even parents in America.
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When you say infiltrated, what do you mean by that?
SPEAKER 01 :
Actually, softball coaches, basketball coaches, teachers of different tutorials, and even parents actually being part of the pimping and sexual acts. And more of that is going to be revealed here in America. Yaku Boyens is the tip of the spearhead of this issue. And as a church, you know, as a Christian... We need to go to what we really—I mean, no one's really talking about this in the church at all. No one's really bringing this in in education. Louisiana's done a great job in bringing education for adoption and helping unexpected pregnancies with teenagers to know about adoption on just the precipice. It's the first of its kind. It really needs to be mandated. That needs to be mandated. What also needs to be mandated is the real danger to parents as well to warn what human trafficking really is, to know the signs of your own child going through that. But what's crazy is this. There are surveys out there that say that one in five men who go to church on a weekly basis are actually addicted to pornography. And we're not talking about pornography. We're not talking about, you know, just to Gen Z to keep your pants on. to understand the sexualization of a generation. And when we now look at, I mean, even Christian schools, go to the football little team there and hear their conversations. And if you overhear some conversations, you'll actually probably hear someone asking their peers, how many trophies do you have? And that actually means how many girls have you slept with? And so the whole way that the enemy has come in and infiltrated and sexualized and debilitated our young people and attacking them without any buffer because they're on their phone seven hours straight a day. And this is now, this is real. And there is a lot of work to do, a lot of work to do. And I think the church needs to be aware of it. educate their schools, every charter school, every Christian school, every public school, every home, but also in the church to start talking about this as, hey, how many foster kids can we get out of that risk?
SPEAKER 02 :
You had mentioned some of the training you do. What are some of the signs that we can look for that would kind of alert us to something that's off?
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Yeah, look, it's really peer-to-peer and really isolation and even some emojis. If you actually do some audits on your teenagers, as far as I'm concerned, everyone has their own house rules. But there are expert curriculum and signs of the types of emojis that pimps use, how they go trolling. You know, they're meeting people that they've never met before or they're being coerced in the school. There are signs of isolation. There are signs of even eye contact when they're lying. And just to have an atmosphere at home of saying, don't do this, don't do that, don't meet strangers, to actually sit down and have discussions with your family about what this really is. It is absolutely not surprising to me that 330,000 children are missing, with 3 million that have come over the border completely missing. But even before the border crisis that we have had in recent years, there's hundreds of thousands of people. In DFW alone, there are estimated 400. I'm from Dallas-Fort Worth. estimated 400 active slaves being pimped every single night in Dallas. And it's really interesting to know that those clienteles are normally people who earn more than $150,000, who have two children, and who are aged between 45 and 55 years of age. And you just would never believe that those are the people that are having sex with minors, And so even Native Americans, people don't understand right now, Native Americans are seen as exotic. And so we've been to Native American reservations, and they're taking, the Mexican cartels in Montana are taking daily children and women. And because of the jurisdictions, guess what? The federal government still has not been able to stop this kidnapping right in front of their eyes. And as soon as they get off the reservation, they actually can get away with it. It's happening on a daily basis. Tons of missing kids from Native Americans. People have no clue what's really going on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that is tragic news. And such, you know, the statistics are so, so huge. We're visiting with Nick Vujicic, founder and CEO of Nick V Ministries. renowned speaker and best-selling author, and we've been talking about the work his ministry is doing to help end human trafficking. Nick, would you tell our listeners where they can go to find out more about your ministries and actually get involved in this tragic crime against humanity?
SPEAKER 01 :
Please, thank you very much. nickveenministries.org is where you go. Go click the tab of Champions for the Brokenhearted. you will see then 12 topics that we've chosen, and one of them that we deep dive into is human trafficking. We have been doing that intentionally for two years. Check out Jacob Boyan's ministry. Check out A21, Christine Kane. Check out other people out there that we have shown free resources for all churches, all families, and teenagers alike to just Help them understand we need to address this. We need to address this now and do all that we can and not rest until it's done.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. Thank you for bringing this to light, Nick, and so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 01 :
I love you so much. Thank you so much.
