Join Angie Austin and her guest, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, as they explore the hidden dangers of living life at a relentless pace. From students on the brink of academic crises to professionals risking their health and safety, this episode uncovers the costly consequences of busyness. Discover strategies for effectively managing time and responsibilities, and the value of teaching intentionality from an early age. Plus, hear about the life-changing benefits of taking time for joy and relaxation to recharge both body and mind.
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, it’s Angie Austin with The Good News, along with my good pal, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. Recently, we’ve talked about the illness of busyness, how it’s such a big problem in society and in families. Cheryl, you are a professor. It’s the end of a semester, and you are seeing maximum busyness, and people are pushing it too far, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I see a lot of students who I’ve been hinting throughout the semester that, you know, you need to look at this. You need to look at this. You need to look at this. You need to call me. A five minute phone call could have improved their grades every single week, but they don’t want to take the time. And now I have students that are on borderline plagiarism issues. I know it’s not intentional. I know it’s ignorance, but it’s plagiarism nonetheless, because they’re not taking the time to slow down and do what’s required. And there’s an awful lot of that going on right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I love it. Illness of busyness. I got to remember that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
I talked to all of my kids and I said, my friend, Dr. Lentz, is a professor. And she says all these kids try to get into her office hours at the very end of the semester because they want to bring up their grade. And so about six weeks ago, I circled grades that my kids could potentially bring up because at their school, I love this, Cheryl. I don’t know how you feel about it, but it’s kind of a new thing where the school views learning as we want you to learn it. We don’t want you to fail a test and move on. So they allow test corrections. They allow test retakes. They allow you to redo like an entire assignment and try to do a better job. So, yes, it’s double the work, but it’s also double the learning. Like if you fail that you did not learn it. So they give you the opportunity to bring your grades up. Now, in the case of my youngest, she’s pretty much an honor roll student. I don’t really have much to, you know. Tackle with her. But with the other two, they have numerous assignments to redo. And they have kind of a in high school, this organizer teacher, and he emails me this spreadsheet. And it’s like all the assignments they either have missed and haven’t done yet or that they need to redo or a test they need to take. And it lays it out, each class, each teacher specifically. And then they do a checkoff when they get these things redone. And they do give them kind of like college study time, like study hours. And so it’s pretty cool that they really have time to study at school. And so to be honest with you, they don’t study much at home, which makes me a little suspicious. I think they could bring those grades up a bit. So they could take a D, like one of my kids has a D right now in something. And so she is redoing things. And I said, hey, it hasn’t come up yet. She goes, mom, trust the process. I’ve redone 12 things and they just have to grade them. So she said, just relax and trust the process. But but I said, my my friend, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, says all these kids wait till the last minute to come in to get their grades up and to do what’s necessary. And she says it’s too late. Like you guys need to go in two months, not two days before the end of the semester.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. I mean, case in point, I have a student right now who we do not have independent study courses, but he tried to submit five of his weeks and assignments all in the last week. And he did a really piss poor job because he didn’t have the ability to look at week four and then redo it. And then we look at week five and then to have that steady process throughout the term. If you try and complete all of them without that learning mechanism, all he did was do the same mistakes and five different assignments all at the end. And that’s really not allowed. So The challenge is, is that I do appreciate that at the high school level. I offer my students a one-time pass in all of my classes, regardless of level, for the ability to say, hey, I knew this is something that you probably, and I’ve been doing this for 23 years, I can recognize malfeasance usually from intention, right? They’re not planning to do it, but they’re just not slowing down. They’re not taking the time. They’re not taking the details in there. And so I’ll offer them a pass. But after that, I have to reintroduce them to the real world. The real world is not going to give them that second opportunity. Their boss is going to expect them to get it right the first time. And I will tell you, I lost a hundred thousand dollar job because I didn’t get my proposal right the first time. So it’s a double edged sword that I think it’s good skills to prepare them for. But to be careful that as they get into the real world in college and beyond that, we don’t offer many opportunities to reduce. We just have to be a little bit careful that they’re going to come to expect that expectation. So good, good news, bad news kind of thing, you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Good news, bad news kind of thing. Yeah. Well, you know, I’m thrilled that this is, you know, going, you know, better for me with giving them your advice and just kind of getting on them because I’m emailed their grades every single night, all three of them.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that’s great because that’s a project manager’s opportunity as it’s going on, as opposed to what happens in my classes is they kind of like, oh my God, it’s the end of the semester already. Well, now I have to negotiate and I don’t want to have to pay for another class. And And now the panic sticks in. We have this plan your work, work your plan. And that’s what you’re teaching them is have a plan at the beginning of the semester. And then every day you’re just work your plan, work your plan. You just, you know, it takes a little time and set up at the beginning. But then every day, you know, you’re supposed to do and you don’t have to stress about trying to fit, you know, eight hours into a one hour schedule in week eight of the semester, you know?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. All right. So what else are you seeing with busyness with these kids? You mentioned a sleep issue.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I have a good friend of mine. She just released her national podcast and it scared me and I just sent her an email the fact that she was going and going and going and going and her book comes out and she’s doing all the spec speaking and she’s going around the world and doing those stuff and then she’s just not giving herself enough time to rest and she fell asleep behind the wheel.
SPEAKER 02 :
Whoa.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I just listened to that and she goes, I put my daughter in jeopardy and she goes, the next day my daughter went out and took her test for her driver’s license. She goes, I should never be able to do that and part of that is because I didn’t take care of myself. And sometimes, you know, I’ve said this before, you have to go faster. You have to slow down. And that illness of busyness, as you indicated, is brilliant because we don’t take the time to slow down. And I know you’ve said this sometimes that, you know, my daughter just needs to rest. Amen. The body needs time to heal. The mind needs time to heal. And I am convinced that how many people are pushing the candle and now they’re falling asleep behind the wheel. They’re falling asleep at work. They’re falling asleep during dangerous times that, easily prevented if we can just take a little time to you know what get those eight hours of sleep take a few times yesterday I put the kayak on the water just because I needed to get out it didn’t do well but I’ll explain that in a minute but I finally forced myself to go out and have some R&R because I needed it it was too much stress in the office and And the more stress you have, the worse you become for your next client.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is it warm enough in Chicago for you to put the kayak in?
SPEAKER 03 :
It was 57 degrees. It was kind of warm. I usually don’t put the kayak in if it’s less than 60, but it was kind of close enough. And I’ve been dying to find out if my fixing the kayak worked. And, well, it wasn’t the Titanic. I didn’t go swimming, but it didn’t work. Yeah. my kayak still has a hole in it and it’s just slowly but my point is is i prepared for that i only went down the channel i didn’t go to open water but i needed to get out And it was a calculated risk. You know, it’s something that the water is such healing for me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I love it. You’re such a little lady. Do you unload that thing yourself? Is it light?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I do. I’ve got a kayak. I’ve learned the whole process because if I can’t do it myself, I can’t do it at all. And so I figured out a system for this. And it really helps if there isn’t a hole in the kayak for my system. After three days of fixing it, now there’s another attempt that friends of mine have offered. But, you know, things don’t last forever. I will not give up my day job as a professor. I’m not a kayak fixer. But the fact is I tried and what I was able to accomplish to slow the leak down. I just didn’t stop it.
SPEAKER 04 :
So we did something. I remember it’s kind of like a mash and then you heated it up. And on one of our canoes when I was younger, I can still kind of picture the grid in the mash that we put on it. But I’m sure you’ll figure out something with your friends. But I know that you get a lot of joy out of that. I do, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I have. to slide you know i have to slow down because and i have to force myself and you would think fun is not something you should force yourself with angie and it’s sad but for those of us who are kind of alcoholics or recovering workaholics you know that we want to have that ability to just have a balance nobody died wishing they worked more and nobody died wishing that that they wanted to have that so the steady balance of maybe you don’t need to be a straight a student But you have to just progress, not perfection. Every time you just get better and better, that’s what we faculty are looking for, both personally and professionally. And I think we need to take our own advice before we, like my friend, fall asleep behind the wheel. That scared me beyond words.
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Well, one of my friends that I don’t know the circumstance of what happened to her son, but he was coming back from college alone. And this has been several years now. And he is in rehab, you know, learning how to eat again, how to walk again, how to he just had a seizure two years into all of this. His brain injury was so traumatic that he’s really had to relearn everything. And we’re two years in, and he’s still in his wheelchair, but still working on walking. And when she shows his training, the physical therapy that’s doing, it is so taxing on him and so difficult that I can see why there’d be the urge to give up because it’s so painful. But he just keeps pushing away because he wants to walk again and regain everything. And with that stroke, he’s in his early 20s. He’s got… I’m sorry, with the seizure, he can only smile on one side right now. But hopefully, you know, that will change as, you know, the days go on because this is a new part. So all of this, I don’t know the circumstances, but I’m assuming late at night that he may have fallen asleep at the wheel because it was an accident by himself. Again, I’m jumping to conclusions, but this is something I worry about with, you know, kids and pushing themselves too much. I recently did kind of a list of program by myself about how we wear this busyness as a badge, and they had this, one of the top violinists in the world, he was playing in a subway with a $3 million violin, and all these people were rushing by him, and he only picked up a couple of bucks, and it’s like, if you knew that you were watching one of the top musicians in the world with a $3 million violin, would you slow down and watch? And the whole thing was, he kind of had a hat on, they made him look a little scruffy, the whole thing, and he was playing a piece that not many people apparently can play, That, you know, people didn’t slow down enough to realize the beauty right there, like in front of them, you know, and the whole point of this was, can we slow down a little? Can we build in the fun? Because we’re missing out on so much that busyness isn’t a trophy, like a badge of honor that we wear. I tend to think it is. I think a lot of us overachievers are like the busier what we are, the more important we are, the more valuable we are, or we can tell all our friends, oh, I have this, that. My friend actually invited me to some charity event, and I said, oh, well, here’s my schedule after school. And I had like eight things on it, you know, pick this person up there, then go watch this game, then do this. And my husband had to fill in for coaching, then we had to go here, up there. And it was like, it looked ridiculous because so many people were helping with the rides and the drives, and it’s very complicated sometimes after school. And I’m like… Why am I proving to her how busy I am that I can’t go to this whatever it is, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Isn’t that amazing? I struggled with that years ago that there’s this sense of accomplishment that if I don’t accomplish something, I’m not worthy, that I have to check the box. And I’m doing a lot of speaking lately, and the point is we are phenomenal just the way we are regardless of what we do. It’s the being part that we are amazing. We don’t have to prove to anybody. Now, it’s wonderful that we can accomplish some things, and I will be proud of all of the accomplishments I’ve had, but at what cost? And what I’m suggesting is that nobody ever died wishing they’d work more. Everyone wanted to be able to have the relationships, the family, particularly if you don’t have one, to cherish those as opposed to seeing it fly by because we only have five minutes to do something. And you want to be able to take the time because memories are those that are going to last a lifetime. And I think too many people are, well, I’ll be happy when I get there. No, the point is not that. the end destination. The point is the journey. Can you be happy along the way while you’re getting there? I think that’s the secret to life. And many of us have life wishing by us too much going. Is it really worth all this busyness? That’s why I love that the illness of busyness. You’re right on the mark here, my friend.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it really is the illness of busyness. And I think that we can kick this. And I guess that’s a great challenge for you listening to for me and for Cheryl. You did it with your kayaking. What can we do today that would really be fun? And I there is a lake near me that I found a reservoir that I can park at a park and walk in and, you know, walk the dogs around it.
SPEAKER 03 :
have to be a long time either i mean walking the dog i did yesterday too for gracie it was maybe 15 minutes you know my kayak thing was maybe an hour it wasn’t the whole day you know many people think they have to like well i’m gonna go to great america or i’ll go to the thing it’s like no all i need is about five minutes to read a book to go out and see the sunshine to play with my dog to you know, go out with a friend or something. It doesn’t take a lot of time, even if it’s just five minutes. Boy, what five minutes well spent, you know?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. All right, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, where do people find you and look into? You help people write books, you’re a professor, you are a speaker. How do they reach you?
SPEAKER 03 :
DrCherylLentz.com. Couldn’t be simpler.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. And we’ll have to think of something fun to talk about next week. Dr. Cheryl joins me pretty much weekly for the last. How many years has this been?
SPEAKER 03 :
Almost five years. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s been a while. It’s definitely been a while. All right. Talk to you next week. Thank you, Dr. Cheryl. Take care of your life.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news. You know, I was thinking about relationship habits today. And you know, I love that website, Mark and Angel. They’re so inspirational. Married couple. And one of his articles in college had gotten rejected. And so Angel said, hey, Mark, let’s just start our own blog. And now it’s highly, highly successful. And they’ve written numerous books. So this article is 11 good old-fashioned relationship habits we should bring back. And Angel thought about this. She said, because She said that she was sitting on a park bench recently in the early afternoon. An elderly couple pulled their car up under a nearby oak tree. They rolled down the windows and turned some jazz music on the car stereo. And then the man got out of the car, walked around to the passenger side, opened the door for the woman, took her hand, guided her about 10 feet away from the car. And they slow danced to a song under the oak tree. And she said it was just such a beautiful moment to witness. So when she opened her laptop today to write her article, she immediately thought about them. And then, of course, we’ve got these 11 good old-fashioned relationship habits we should bring back. And I really like these. Number one is spend quality time together with no major agenda and no technology. You know, we’ve been doing that a lot together lately as a family. My husband likes to cook. My mom likes to cook. One of my kids likes to cook. We just kind of gather. the kitchen and last night my husband was making these Philly cheesesteak sandwiches and we all just gathered around and talked and I had my computer out and I was doing a little bit of work stuff but you know I just wanted to kind of like be there with them and oh the food was really good too my husband’s such a good cook And Faithy had done the shopping, and so she had gone into the store, and she said some lady said, oh, look at you, you’re shopping all by yourself, because she still looks pretty young, you know, and she had her little cart. It was cute. All right, so spend quality time together with no other agenda, and in general, no technology. I was doing a little work, but believe me, I was fully present, which is number two. Be fully present when you’re in the presence of others. I’ve been doing a lot of puzzles with my mom recently, And we just sit and talk, and I don’t know, it’s just fun. It’s a fun thing that she and I do together. In fact, for her 83rd birthday, which she just had, I think I bought her seven puzzles. five shirts a new pillow for her she just likes this it’s called a bone pillow it’s shaped like a dog bone and it just goes under her neck but anyway the puzzles were the important part because we sit there and do them together and we do crafts together we cook together so that’s kind of our thing to hang out together and she’ll make me some tea and you know it’s just fun i just i don’t know it’s relaxing Number three, express your sincere appreciation of loved ones every chance you get. I think we’re pretty good at that. Like, even the kids, if they’re around their friends, they say love you when they end the call. And Mark’s parents do the same. My mom does the same. So, my brother, not so much. He’s just not as, like, warm and fuzzy. But he’ll usually say it back if we say it to him. But, yeah, our family, definitely. And the kids could be in a car. Like, Briley can be in a car with a bunch of, you know, teenage and 20-something kids. boys, young men, and he’ll be like, love you, love you mom, love you, and I call him his nickname, which that embarrasses him a little bit, you know, if I call him, I call him like Doot Doot and Googies, they’re just made up names, you know, but, or Rye Guy, or Rye Rye, and he’s like, he still lets me, but the girls, he will not let them call him nicknames. Okay, number four, work together and help each other grow. We do a lot of family projects and we have family gym nights, so that’s good. Number five, focus on inner beauty. I try to keep, especially as parents, I try to keep us from saying too many things about their physical appearance and more about who they are on the inside. I don’t want them to get too wrapped up in all that social media, posting a picture where 150 people say, oh, you’re so pretty, you’re so pretty. I just want them to really have value in who they are on the inside. And I think they’re doing pretty good. Number six, old-fashioned relationship happens. Tell the truth. Number seven, I’ve got to go through these fast, but I want to go through them again with you because I think they’re so good. Apologize, you know, when you should. Apologize when you should. Eight, work out your relationship issues, you know, when you have the time. And unfortunately, now we are running out of time. So work out your relationship issues with each other, not others. Be a force of positivity and encouragement. Over-deliver on your promises, not under-deliver, over-deliver. Be loyal. And also just appreciate, really show appreciation. Do nice things for them as well. All right, changing gears now. April is when we recognize Parkinson’s Awareness Month and World Parkinson’s Day to focus attention on a disease that afflicts nearly one million people in the U.S. Joining us today are Dr. Kathleen Blake, Kathy Blake, who is living with the disease, and John Lair, president and CEO of the Parkinson’s Foundation. Welcome back, John, and welcome to you, Dr. Kathy Blake. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right, John, let’s just start off with the basics, okay? What is Parkinson’s disease?
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Yeah, so Parkinson’s is a neurodegenerative disease that slowly progresses over time. It’s often characterized as a movement or motor symptom disorder. It affects more than 1 million Americans in the U.S., and unfortunately, there is no cure. The early symptoms may include a resting tremor, loss of smell, or trouble moving or walking. People may also present with non-motor symptoms, including sleep disturbances, some cognitive issues, apathy, depression, and anxiety. It’s the fastest growing neurological disorder as it is primarily a disease of aging. And as our population ages, more people are going to be diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease.
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And what do you think, John, is the most important thing that we should know about Parkinson’s?
SPEAKER 05 :
So I think the most important thing to know is, first and foremost, that you can live well with Parkinson’s. It’s all about making sure that you’re getting your treatment and you’re exercising, and Kathy can talk more about that. I think it’s also important to know, as I said, it mostly occurs later in life. So young onset Parkinson’s or before the age of 50 is relatively rare. Only about 4% to 5% of people will have young onset Parkinson’s disease. And there’s not a cure right now. We’re working very hard to advance research for new and better therapies. And one of the things that I think is the biggest breakthrough in Parkinson’s is just the importance of exercise. We used to tell people not to exercise many years ago because we were worried people would injure themselves. But we say exactly the opposite now. Exercise is probably one of the best ways to maintain health and even… keep Parkinson’s at bay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that strength, yeah. All right, Dr. Kathy Blake, tell us about your journey.
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So I’m a retired cardiologist. I was still working full-time 12 years ago when I started to experience symptoms, and it was pain in my left shoulder. So I, like a lot of people, thought it was arthritis. I thought it was aging. X-rays looked great. I did physical therapy. That helped. But it was seven years ago when I started to have a mild tremor in my left hand that a newly minted, just terrific physical therapist said, you know, something else is going on here. She was the one who really set things in motion for my diagnosis of Parkinson’s disease.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Okay. So and look at that. I mean, that’s why we should be aware. You are a doctor and you’re getting physical therapy. Yeah. I mean, it’s just it’s wild that she caught it. That’s wonderful. So tell us about how you now manage the symptoms. It’s been a while.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. So it’s been seven years. And initially what I needed to do was just exercise. Exercise for me is medication. In fact, it’s actually the most important treatment because it can slow the progression of the disease. People ask me all the time, what exercise should I do? The answer is whatever you will do. It might be walking, stationary bicycle, there’s boxing programs for people with Parkinson’s, dancing programs, but it’s the exercise that you will do. And Over time, I started to require medication and that’s prescribed by a movement disorder specialist. And so that has helped with managing my symptoms.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, I love it that you talk about, you know, exercise as being a medicine. And last night, we do family gym night, just as an aside. So we all, there’s three teenagers. My mom sometimes goes, she’s a walker, but she can walk the track. And I go, you know, because I, of course, I mean, I can’t be the only one in the family not going, right? I really see food and exercise as like just medicine in my life. But how wonderful to hear that it’s beneficial for Parkinson’s. And I’ve talked to other experts in other areas with other diseases and hear the same thing, how beneficial it is. So let’s talk about, John, you and I have talked a lot as you’re the CEO of the Parkinson’s Foundation about resources that are available because obviously knowledge is power and you guys help people so much. So tell us about what we need to know about the resources that are available for us.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure. So there’s a lot of resources out there, a lot of support out there. The Parkinson’s Foundation prides itself on being a trusted and go-to source. There’s a lot of bad information out there, just to be frank. You’ll sometimes see things in the news that say, oh, a cure for Parkinson’s. So if you see something like that, I recommend you go to the Parkinson’s Foundation’s website because if there is something like that out there, we’ll know about it and we’ll broadcast it. And if there isn’t, you won’t see it on our website. So our website is Parkinson.org, Parkinson.org, no S. There’s just a tremendous amount of information on there about all aspects of living with and managing Parkinson’s disease. We also have a helpline, 1-800-4-PD-INFO, 800-4-PD-INFO, which is staffed by experts in Parkinson’s care. And they’ll direct you any way you need. They’ll answer any questions that you might have. So those are just some initial resources, but we do all sorts of things. do virtual and in-person educational webinars all over the country. So go to our website. Look for those. You can find one in your local area. And then the other thing, too, is, and we really believe this strongly, just talk to as many people. Join a support group. Get involved. Don’t live this disease in isolation. It makes it much worse. And actually having a social network is really a critical component to making life better in general, but life better in general with life better for people with Parkinson’s.
SPEAKER 04 :
So rather than Googling all kinds of symptoms, this, that, and the other, really the Parkinson’s Foundation, that website should be your go-to for finding out the latest info. Okay, great. Absolutely. Kathy, you, in terms of your advice for people with Parkinson’s and also care partners, the family members, friends, experts working alongside the people with the disease, what is your advice?
SPEAKER 06 :
So, as John said, don’t isolate yourself. Second, recognize… that this is something that affects your care partner, whether that be your spouse, your partner, your family member, your adult children, younger children. So include them so that this is something that they become knowledgeable about and are able to not only help you but also help themselves and have a better life.
SPEAKER 04 :
I love the idea, too, of not isolating yourself. I think I might have even told you, John, that we were going around the Lazy River at this really cool hotel. And as we were going by this cabana, my husband goes, I think that’s Michael J. Fox in there. And he’s like laughing with his friends. And it was that guy that’s on the morning news, you know, and they’re having a great time and like getting. Isn’t that a lot better than sitting in your basement worried about how your life could have been better if you didn’t have Parkinson’s? I mean, he was cracking up and laughing and just having a great time with his friends. He wasn’t sitting in his house in the basement thinking about, why me?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I would say it’s silver lining. You hear from people with Parkinson’s who say this all the time. Silver lining of the disease is it forces you into a community and you meet a lot of people who have the same health care issues that you do.
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You may have
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may never have come into contact with so many wonderful people because of it. It’s not a club anybody wants to join, but once you’re in the club, there are wonderful people who can help and support you.
SPEAKER 04 :
I love that support network. Where can we go, John, to get more info?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, please go to our website, Parkinson.org, singular, Parkinson.org, or call our helpline, 800-4PD-INFO.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thank you both for all you’re doing to help others, getting the word out there. John Lair and Kathy Blank, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. You bet.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
