In this action-packed episode of Real Science Radio, hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams break down the startling discoveries of carbon-14, a short-lived radioactive isotope, in ancient specimens. They argue against traditional scientific explanations, offering a creationist view that aligns these findings with a younger Earth timeline. Whether you are a skeptic or a believer, this episode provides fascinating insights and challenges contemporary scientific explanations regarding our planet’s history.
Greetings to the brightest audience in the country and welcome to Bob and your live today we’re getting into part four of the real science radio show series on carbon 14 carbon 14 is everywhere it’s not supposed to be according to the old earth evolutionary time frame. And because we find so much carbon-14 everywhere in diamonds, in dinosaur bones, in coal, in oil, in all of these places, we know that the Earth cannot be as old as the evolutionary and old Earth can. scientists are telling us, but rather these discoveries of carbon-14 in these materials and these dinosaur bones, it shows that the timeline that’s more likely to be accurate, it fits in nicely with the timeline of the Bible, of Genesis, of creation. So you don’t want to miss this episode. Really enjoyable. Intelligent design and DNA.
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Greetings to the brightest audience in the country. Welcome to Real Science Radio. I’m Bob Enyart.
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And I’m Fred Williams, creation speaker and software engineer.
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You’re back from your assignment, Fred.
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I completed my assignment.
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I didn’t think you’d be back till next week. Welcome. And welcome to part four of our list of carbon-14 everywhere it shouldn’t be.
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Carbon-14 doesn’t lie.
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No, it doesn’t.
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In fact, it is so short-lived. that any specimen with original radiocarbon, it can’t possibly be millions of years old, right, Bob?
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Only thousands. And by the way, all physics professors, all chemistry professors, they would all agree with that statement. Carbon-14 is so short-lived that… that any specimen with original carbon-14 cannot be millions of years old. It can only be thousands of years old.
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Yeah, virtually all scientists, like 99.9999, agree with that.
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Yeah.
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And those who don’t, they’re probably drooling.
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Yeah, right.
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So you can’t really hold that against them. No, you can’t. Maybe they got elected president.
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It’s not argued or debated. If there’s original carbon-14 in a specimen, it’s only thousands of years old. And that’s why carbon-14 is the creationist’s best friend. But here’s the part that most scientists don’t like. They don’t like that carbon-14 is everywhere it shouldn’t be. And quickly, here’s the list we’ve presented. It’s in a centrosaurus, a dinosaur fossil, and that’s published by the journal eLife Sciences.
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Yeah. And it’s published in the journal Plus One. It’s in a mosasaur bone.
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Yep. And the journal Radiocarbon, that’s carbon-14, radioactive carbon. Yep. That journal has reported that you’ll find 14C in natural gas, coal, oil, and other petroleum products, all of which are supposed to be millions of years old, but they’re obviously not, Fred. They’re loaded with carbon-14.
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They can’t be because they’ve got carbon-14. Right. And other careful studies have reported carbon-14 in limestone from the Mesozoic layer, so that’s way down there, fossilized wood, coal, marble, deep groundwater, geological graphite, And here’s a kicker, in many dinosaur bones.
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Yeah, now we’ve talked about this, but I’d like to give a little more detail. In 2012 in Singapore, at the American Geophysical Union Conference, 10 dinosaur bones were presented with the results from four labs around the world that they have loads of carbon-14 in them, But then later in 2015, in the CRS Quarterly, this was a paper co-authored by one of the friends of Real Science Radio. Yeah, Dr. Brian Thomas. Yeah, he’s awesome. He is a PhD paleobiochemist. I love saying that. If you can say that, that proves you know something about science.
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Paleobiochemist.
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Brian is a paleobiochemist with a PhD from the University of Liverpool. Yep. So his paper that he co-authored with Vance Nelson, another friend of Real Science Radio, listed 60 carbon dated specimens, but he only listed seven and not 10 dinosaur bones the way the Singapore team had done. So the question is, why didn’t Brian list at least the remaining three dinosaur fossils, Fred? That’s the question I’d like us to answer.
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Yeah. Well, you know, there’s a crisis with science journals.
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Yeah, secular science journals.
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Yeah, secular science journals of original data that’s no longer available. You know, like, remember the global warming hockey stick?
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Oh, yeah, there’s a big lawsuit about that. And that Michael Mann, that scientist, he’s at Penn State, but he should be in the state pen. I knew where that was going, yeah. But he’s at Penn State, right? Should be in the state pen because of all the fraud. Oh, absolutely. And after 10 years of his own lawsuit… claiming slander, he’s refused to provide the data for that famous fraudulent hockey stick showing the climate has always been even, and now all of a sudden it’s shot up like crazy.
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Yeah, so in this crisis among these secular journals, the tests also, they’re not repeatable.
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Very often.
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Because the specimens aren’t available.
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Right, so what paleobiochemist Dr. Brian Thomas did was, was that he wanted to only report on carbon-dated bones that have accession numbers. Accession, that is like museum acquisition numbers. And whether private or public museums, at least that particular fossil can be identified It’s tracked. And so at least in theory, these tests are repeatable for these dinosaur fossils. So that’s why Brian listed seven, not 10.
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Yeah, very careful, very good science. Yeah. You know, according to published papers, tens of thousands of secular science papers with unavailable data and inaccessible specimens.
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Yeah.
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So here comes along, you know, young Earth creationist Dr. Brian Thomas to show how it should be done.
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Right, exactly. So we just quickly presented the list of specimens that have been carbon dated that indicate they’re relatively young. And one last item needs to be added to the list. And that’s diamonds, even though supposedly they’re billions of years old. They’re 1 billion or 2 billion years old diamonds, it’s claimed. But as reported by a mainstream secular outlet at Science Direct, diamonds have short-lived carbon-14 in them.
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Yeah, and they’re the hardest substance on Earth, right?
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Yeah. So how do you get contamination into a diamond? And bacteria, they don’t eat diamonds.
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Yeah. And then, you know, Dr. John Baumgardner.
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Yes.
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So with the RATE Project.
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Young Earth. He’s a young Earth geophysicist.
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Yep.
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And the RATE Project, Age of the Earth.
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Yep. So they tested 10 diamonds and they found carbon 14 in all of them, as we would expect.
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Yes. So this cannot be an anomaly, as the secular world claims, because it’s not here and there, but it’s everywhere it shouldn’t be.
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Yep. So, Bob, last week you covered Dr. Walt Brown’s article on carbon-14. And, you know, we were talking before the show. Walt Brown, he’s, I think, the most brilliant scientist of our day. I know you think the same thing.
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Yeah, the Isaac Newton. He is.
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He’s the modern-day Isaac Newton. But yet he writes in such a way that is so easy to understand. I really appreciate how great a writer he is.
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Yeah, he’s an educator. He was a professor at the Air Force Academy, and he just does this brilliant job. I mean, after all, in the last 30-some years, Fred, he’s had one job. One job, make this a good book. Yes. And the eighth edition is out. You and I on our desk here, I’ve got the sixth edition. You’ve got the sixth special edition. People don’t know there were two editions back in 1995-96. Right. But yeah, he has done a fabulous job within the beginning, and it’s now out of print. And it costs around $100 online to get used copies. So we’ve been buying them for about $100 just so they’re available. We just sent one to a federal inmate this week, just three days ago.
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I gave my last copy to my daughter up at CSU, put it on her coffee table because she gets some interesting debates with friends and roommates.
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Yeah, that’s awesome. So our store does list Walt’s book available for $120. Yeah. The 8th edition.
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And it’s very well worth it.
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It really is.
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And you can go to rsr.org slash c14.
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Yes.
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And you can read Walt Brown’s, you’ll find his article is listed there. I highly encourage people to read it because it really is an easy read. He uses a great analogy that you covered that, you know, the swimming pool and the bathtub and just helps you understand why the carbon 14, why it’s going to give incorrect dates, you know, for things because of the flood.
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And how these specimens can’t be millions of years old. So both things.
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Oh, yeah. Right. Absolutely. And the interesting tidbit, by the way, that carbon-14 isn’t just formed by the atmosphere.
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Yes. Isn’t that amazing?
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Yeah. It’s so cool. So Walt Brown, at the end of his carbon-14 article, made a prediction. And so here’s what that prediction is. Specimens with carbon believed to be older than 100,000 years will have plenty of carbon-14.
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Yeah, that was published. And you’ve got the special edition there.
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Yeah, we both have the sixth edition.
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Here’s mine. See how it sounds. Sounds like a good book. Actually, it’s a lot thicker than it was back in the 90s. So this is hardcover sixth edition. You have a softcover sixth edition, but this is a special edition. And since this, they were all hardcover.
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Yeah. And I know, let’s see here on page 157, he has this prediction. And you know what, Bob, this book was published in 1996. So this prediction wasn’t yesterday. So it’s been about 15 years.
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Yeah, in fact, the book I have is the special edition, 1995, 16 years, and in this book it happens to be on page 152. Okay. So Walt made this prediction, and this prediction has since been confirmed, as we’ve covered, with carbon-14 everywhere it’s not supposed to be. Yep.
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So once again, Walt Brown made a prediction in his book, and there’s so many of them, and then they proved to be true.
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Yes. And it usually doesn’t take that long. In fact, there’s a Mars prediction Walt made that we’ll get to. And Fred, later in the show, let’s give our own RSR spin to a carbon-14 prediction. Okay. And back to a Mars prediction. We’ve got to try to keep up with Walt Brown. That’s not easy to do. But before we continue with carbon dating, We’d like to announce two new Real Science Radio YouTube videos this week. Well, one is brand new, the short one, and the other is now a standalone segment from part of our flood video.
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Yeah, and that’s super cool. I think a listener requested it.
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Yes.
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And it’s day two, the firmament, right?
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Yes.
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So what is the firmament described in Genesis day two?
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Yeah, that is such a fun video. And like you said, a listener requested said, Bob, could you guys please pull out this segment of your flood video, because it’s such a powerful presentation on the firmament, and is the firmament of day two the earth’s crust? Is that what it is? I think this video, Fred, will blow people’s minds if they’re not aware of the biblical material.
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Yeah, because I kind of fell for the standard version. This is not the standard version of what the firmament is. But if you watch it, it presents a very compelling case of what it is. And it’s the Earth’s Cross, by the way, so that’s a teaser. Yeah, so go out and watch that video.
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Yeah, if you’d like to, I think you’ll love it. All right, now here’s a 40-second video we just put up. And there’s only a music soundtrack. So there’s no words. Fred, I’d like you to watch it for the first time. We’ll see it together. And we’ll have to describe it for the audience. A Mars landscape. And Fred, look how desolate it is, right?
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So I’m looking at Mars. Panning shot.
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Debris strewn all over the place. Surprising shaped rocks. Foothills and a mountain in the background. And then, maybe just coming into view, what’s that? Wait a minute. It looks sort of rectangular, somehow held up on a stick. What? That looks like a, that’s a sign. It’s an old wooden sign.
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It’s an old wooden sign that says, Walt Brown was here. Walt Brown.
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Walt Brown was here, rsr.org slash Walt, hashtag Mars.
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So you see this panning of the Martian landscape, and then it pans in on a sign that says, Walt Brown was here.
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We have all these great scientific discoveries where when… They’re discovering things that Walt wrote about in his book decades ago. We just plant a sign into the image and say, Walt Brown was here. Pluto, Walt Brown was here. Comet 67P, Walt Brown was here. On and on.
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Kudos to the producer who put that together. That’s great.
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Yeah, that was actually one of our producers, Larry Wolf.
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Okay.
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I love bragging about Larry. He got a couple patents to his name on laser technology. Oh, wow. As an engineer for IBM. That’s cool. So, yeah, he’s extraordinary. All right. So, WWB, right? All scientists work for Walt Brown. And we love to talk about yet another WWB discovery. NASA finds water on Mars. Now, this is really an old story. In fact, it’s become… a joke among planetary scientists. And Walt mentions this in his book. And in fact, we did a show years ago, a long time ago, titled Water on Mars, France on Drugs. And we quoted out of Walt’s book, Congratulations, you’ve discovered water on Mars for the thousandth time. So that is fun, right? Even though it’s basically bone dry, the way we would look at a desert, we’d look at it and say it’s dry, but there is water there.
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Yeah. But what is significant about this, though, is Walt Brown predicted the presence of salt water on Mars.
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Wow.
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And guess what? That’s been confirmed.
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That has been confirmed. So that’s quite the prediction. And Walt’s theory comes loaded with predictions, not only the ones he’s identified and marked in bold as these predictions have been confirmed.
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Yeah. In his book, there’ll be predictions scattered here and there, and they’re all in bold.
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Right. And then he collects them all at the end of the book. Yep. And the bold ones are the ones in the list. that are actually confirmed already. The others are expected to be confirmed. And you and I, Fred, we’ve benefited because we’ve made all kinds of predictions, many based on Walt’s theory, others just based generally on young Earth creation science. And we have an uncanny track record of predictions being confirmed. Yep. Where are those myth busters when you need their confirmed? Well, there you go. Yeah. You just need that sound effect. So at the end of the show, Fred, let’s add our own prediction on carbon 14 and we’ll let the audience in on something coming up about Mars.
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Okay.
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But back to carbon 14, there are two lists on our website for today’s show. that we are going to only look at the last item in each list.
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Yeah, so if you want to read the full list, just go to the website.
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Yes. The first is six problems with the contamination explanation, right? Evolutionists, atheists, they got to do something if they’re not going to be humble and say, we’re going to reconsider this because there’s short-lived carbon-14 everywhere it shouldn’t be. Maybe dinosaurs lived not that long ago because we even have dinosaur soft tissue everywhere we look. But if they’re not going to reconsider, then they come up with a rescue device. And one is contamination, and the other, as we’ve discussed, is neutron capture. And so we have a list of six problems with the contamination explanation and six problems with the neutron capture explanation. And now you and I will only look at the last, the sixth item in each of the two lists.
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Yeah. Okay. So the sixth one for problems with the contamination explanation. So remember the inventor of radiocarbon, Dr. Walter Libby? Yes. He was actually born in Colorado. Yes. He stated in the journal Science, there is no known natural mechanism by which collagen may be altered to yield a false age.
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No known natural mechanism. And we talked about this briefly, Fred, maybe in our first show, that collagen, if you look at it as a molecule… It’s sort of like a chain link fence. And the manufacturing process, this is all done by cells in a living organism to build collagen. It’s a stunning process. And if you took a chain link fence… And let’s say one of the links was a carbon-14 atom and it decayed into a gas. Now it disappears. It’s now a nitrogen gas. It’s nitrogen-14. Well, then how are you going to get that fence repaired? Let’s say there’s a new carbon-14 atom floating down out of the sky. It’s not going to take the place of that link in a chain or a link in a chain link fence because to get in there, it has to be manufactured. Yeah. It can’t just fall and take the place of a carbon-14 atom that had decayed. So Libby’s point is if you find carbon-14 – In collagen. That is original carbon-14.
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It can’t be due to contamination.
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Right.
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It can’t be. So as of 2021, there is still no known mechanism to contaminate collagen with modern carbon.
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Right. And the evolutionists were really taken to the cleaners by one of their own journals, the journal Nature in 2017. Fred, so many of them, their heart must have sunk when they opened that edition and found this paper titled Carbon Fixation from Mineral Carbonates. This was so depressing because here’s what they hoped. Here’s what they imagined. When you’re measuring how much carbon-14 is in, say, a dinosaur bone, if it’s in collagen, it has to be original. But let’s say there’s something in a bone, maybe humic acid, maybe the collagen and other biological material is breaking down, and there are some carbon atoms there inside the bone, and they hope… that it must be contamination from bacteria if they find carbon-14 in there. They just hope, beyond hope, because the bacteria must be transporting, the bacteria, if it’s alive or if it died just yesterday or 100 years ago or 1,000 years ago, the bacteria, they hope, would be bringing carbon-14, modern carbon, from the atmosphere in, In with it into the bone. Into the bone. That’s what they hope.
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Yeah. Well, guess what? This 2017 paper in Nature, again, it’s called Carbon Fixation for Mineral Carbonates. It confirms that cyanobacteria in fossils gets… Virtually all of their carbon from the bone substrate they are feeding on. So wait a minute. So it did not transport the carbon-14 in. From the atmosphere. It’s chewing on the carbon-14 on the bone, basically.
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Yes, exactly.
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The carbon-14 is in the bone. That’s what this Nature article confirmed.
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Yeah, it’s basically eating the bone. And if you think about how tiny bacteria is, the paper says, and I forget the exact percentage, but like a 40th of a millimeter or a hundredth of an inch or something into the bone. That’s as far as you can go down into the bone to hope that the carbon-14 was brought in by bacteria. These bacteria are tiny. They’re boring bacteria. I don’t mean in biology class after lunch when you’re falling asleep. I mean boring as in a mine boring a hole into the ground. They drill a hole into the ground. They don’t drill it. But basically, chemically, they eat holes through bones like a whole mining system. and they’re not setting up a transportation system where they’re shipping in carbon-14 from the atmosphere. They’re getting all their carbon atoms from the bone itself. That means if a dinosaur bone is riddled with bacteria, So that, let’s say, 5% of the mass of the bone, the interior of the bone, it’s all bacteria and biofilm. That’s all it is. If that were the case, it wouldn’t change the carbon date of the bone at all because the bacteria is getting its carbon from the bone, not from the atmosphere. Exactly. So that is like a death knell to this rescue device of contamination. Now, we’ve talked about the other kinds of contamination, like maybe it’s from the laboratory equipment or the processing. And that’s where if they have a quarter of a quadrillion carbon atoms in a specimen, a quarter of a quadrillion, They would have, if it’s a recent specimen, 250 carbon-14 atoms. 250 out of 250 trillion carbon atoms. Only 250 would be carbon-14. And by laboratory contamination, they have it to where they know they’re going to add approximately one atom, one atom of carbon-14 to the 250. Yeah.
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They could blame on contamination.
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Right. One atom. Right. So when they’re hoping for contamination, they’re hoping for something way more than laboratory processes and equipment.
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Yeah. Like that Lawrence Krauss said, it’s an anomaly. But the problem is it’s everywhere. Like we’d said in the earlier show. Yes. There’s no way this contamination is happening.
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Right. This isn’t happening. And so when these scientists, like the famous Mary Schweitzer, the Iron Maiden, and Lindgren and all these guys, when they have mentioned carbon-14 in these ancient fossils, they hope it’s microbial contamination- But this Nature paper, which was an isotope study, it demolishes their hope that bacteria is changing the carbon dates of these dinosaur fossils. For them, it was horrendous. Horrendous. Horrendous results. Okay, so now let’s go to the six problems with neutron capture explanation.
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Yeah, so that’s their other one that they try to use.
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Their rescue device. And we’ve talked about the science behind that. But we’re only going to look at the last of the six problems. And basically, this rescue device is, if there is a lot of radioactivity in the neighborhood, then neutrons flying out as an element is decaying, a free neutron might slam into the nucleus of a carbon atom. Yeah, and turn it into carbon-14. Yeah, through its process that’s well known. But how common is… Is that how commonly might that happen? So what we do is we take arguments from Dr. Gehm, who we’ve mentioned, who is an expert on specimens being carbon dated. And we have a future show with him, right? Yes. Coming up. Let’s let’s plug that more at the end of today’s show. And Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, who is a world-renowned creation scientist, PhD physicist. He’s been published in the journal Nature, which is the world’s number one secular science journal. Yeah, he plays chess, like blindfolded, multiple people. He was the New Zealand chess champ for some years. Yeah, he’s stunningly brilliant. IQ off the charts. So Dr. Sarfati, physicist, he built upon Dr. Gehm’s work. And basically, this is the argument, that if you have a specimen that is in any kind of standard environment in the Earth’s crust… There’s not going to be nearly enough radioactivity to account for all the carbon-14 in diamonds, for example, just in diamonds. So here at Real Science Radio, since we’re not scientists, we’re talk show hosts, you’re an engineer, software engineer. I’m a Bible-thumping pastor posting 95 COVID theses, nailing it to our front door. Thank you. LifeSite News reported on that this week. Just so exciting. That was fun. But so we’re not scientists. So when scientists say to one another, well, there’s, relatively speaking… radioactivity is generally scarce in the Earth’s crust. So scientists say that to one another. They know what they mean. We didn’t know what they meant, so you sent me searching, and I found a report from the USGS, the United States Geological Survey, and they document, we link to this report, that generally speaking, radioactivity is very scarce in the crust of the earth in, for example, coal, basalt, shales, granite, fly ash, et cetera, et cetera. So if you look at the amount of neutron capture that could account for carbon-14 in diamonds, Jonathan Sarfati, physicist, does the calculation. Yeah, he does.
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Yeah, so he documents that neutron capture could account for less than one.
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Stop the tape. Stop the tape. Hey, we are out of time. If you want to get the rest, check out rsr.org slash carbon 14. You don’t want to miss it. Hey, may God bless you guys.
