Barbara Carmack makes a compelling case for understanding spiritual warfare in our everyday lives. Kathy moves us with her tale of confronting spiritual disturbances at home. With insights from Ephesians 6, Barbara lays out a strategic approach for listeners to combat unseen forces and bring peace into their living environment. Tune in to explore methods of prayer and anointing with belief in miraculous transformations—echoing testimonies of past listeners and offering solace that Jesus’ love and protection are readily available to those who seek.
Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I’m delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let’s join Barbara in the studio.
SPEAKER 08 :
On this encore show, Darren and I take a call from Al on the East Coast. He had been a listener to Darren’s coffee shop in the 80s, and he’s suffering from hypertension and high blood pressure. Darren explains to Al that when you have issues with the blood in your body, the enemy is after your life because the life is in the blood. Darren also gives him spiritual advice about establishing his dominion in the spirit, just as if he were putting a fence around his physical property and that he must have this spiritual perimeter fixed because it will keep the enemy at bay and induce a spirit of peace and life around him and his family. We read in Leviticus 1711 that life is in the blood and a bloodline around your property is vital. So you must call on the blood of Jesus to keep you safe. Now let’s join the program.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, we’re ready to go for it right here on KLT Radio. Looks like we’ve got a phone call from Maryland. Al, how are you doing?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m fine, sir. It’s a pleasure to talk to you. How are you?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I’m doing just super.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s great. I remember you from the old PTL days on the satellite.
SPEAKER 02 :
Is that right?
SPEAKER 04 :
I worked a coffee shop, and I’m glad the Lord has you where you ought to be.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I’ll tell you, he’s been really good to me, Al.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’m calling today, sir, because I have a prayer request.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’ve been a believer for a long time. But my prayer request is I have five children, a beautiful wife. And I’ve had problems with a lot of stress and circulation and hypertension for years. And I’ve stood on the word. And the devil has come against me big time. And thankfully, I’m gainfully employed. And I believe the Lord has a calling on my life.
SPEAKER 02 :
What type of work are you doing now?
SPEAKER 04 :
I work with the federal government, sir.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
I believe the Lord has a calling on my life. And I just want to appreciate you agreeing with me in prayer that the Lord will touch me physically.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, you can do that. Are we talking about circulation in your bloodstream, blood pressure, all that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, sir. Okay. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 02 :
How long have you been a believer, Al? Since 1981, sir.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Here’s what I believe, Al, the Lord has given me for you. I prayed for a returned missionary one time that would get up in the mornings, and her blood pressure would be so low that she would be just almost physically unable to keep going. And the Holy Spirit said to me that Satan, you know, the prince in the power of the air is the devil, and that actually the atmospheric pressure around that woman had been altered. Now, that sounds kind of far out, but it was almost like an atmospheric chamber. You’d probably understand that. Do you have a scientific background?
SPEAKER 04 :
A little bit, not too much.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, well, I don’t have much either, so I’m in over my head here unless God helps me. But here’s what I’d like to pray for you. Sure. is that the Holy Spirit would stabilize the pressure around you. And it’s much like a barometric pressure, you know, when storms come in, people’s moods change and that kind of thing. But I believe that has part to do with it. And God’s going to stabilize the blood pressure and the atmospheric pressure immediately around you. So he’ll put you in a supernatural cocoon there.
SPEAKER 03 :
I appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I really want to know, I want to follow up here, Al, and see what’s coming down, because I know this, we can change that. Spiritually, you need to establish your immediate dominion around you. It’s like building a spiritual fence around, well, it would be like saying, do you live in a single family dwelling?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, sir, I sure do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, do you have a fence around the yard?
SPEAKER 04 :
In the back, what the builder put up.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Well, if you had a fence all the way around your place, you’d say, now, this is my territory. I don’t want the neighbor’s dog over here, and, you know, if I send their kids home, I’ll take them to the gate, and I’ll say, now, I don’t want you back in my yard today. That’s kind of like taking immediate dominion. I believe we need to establish that in the spirit. Okay. Say there’s certain parameters here that I’m going to establish. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 02 :
And this is the way it’s going to operate. There’s going to be health and safety here for me and my wife and my five kids. And that’s just the way it’s going to be. And Satan, you’re an intruder here. And we are going to throw you out forcefully with the word. And we’re going to establish righteousness here. Barb, do you have something on that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m in agreement with you because I believe that, Al, this is not a disease or an illness as much as it is an attack from the enemy. Oh. And so what Darren is telling you is true. You need to come against the fiery darts of Satan with the whole armor of God, as it says in Ephesians 6. And it’s not so much of a disease or illness you have to be concerned about, but it has to be this attack because the life is in the blood. And when there’s something wrong with the blood or the circulatory system, we know that Satan is going after something. We have to come against that.
SPEAKER 02 :
I believe that’s Leviticus 17, isn’t it? We’ll look that up for you real quick here.
SPEAKER 04 :
I receive that. I believe you’re right on target, man. The Lord’s on target.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, he is. He doesn’t miss, does he?
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s Leviticus 17, 11. Thank you all. Write that down.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, Leviticus 17, 11. Let me read it for you. It says, For the life of the flesh is in the blood. So I’m ready to go for it. Let’s go for it. Father God, I just thank you for Al’s phone call from Maryland today. And Lord, I just say right now that that atmospheric pressure around him is going to be permanently changed to match what he needs in his body. And Lord, I see you touching his bloodstream. I see you giving him the right blood pressure to bring that blood and that circulation to the extremities of his body. Now, Father God, I see some mild heart damage. Holy Spirit, I thank you for taking care of that. I see the darkness removed from his chest, his chest cavity. And, Lord, I ask that you would make all the oxygen in that bloodstream and make that heart work properly and the lungs together with the heart. And, Lord, I just speak a clean bill of health there from you to my friend Al in the precious name of Jesus. Thank you. And, Father, we meet here every day in and around the name of Jesus. And we say it’s the same there for Al and his children, his wife. And, Lord, I ask that as he sets up and establishes by an act of his will and the words of his mouth a perimeter, a perimeter, a spiritual perimeter, that that would be established in peace and righteousness. In Jesus’ name, amen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Amen, I agree with that. Amen, praise the Lord. I agree with that wholeheartedly.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, you receive that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 08 :
And take down Ephesians 6. Read that chapter from verse 10 through 18. That’s for you, Al. Yes, ma’am. To keep that armor, full armor on. Yes, ma’am, I appreciate it. And you will be strong in the Lord. Praise God.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, Al, I feel the Holy Spirit all over me, man. So I know he did the job.
SPEAKER 04 :
Praise God. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, I want… Yes, sir, go ahead. Is there anything else?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that’s fine.
SPEAKER 02 :
This has been a joyful time for me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I’m just so thrilled that I could have a chance to talk to you. Keep on doing what you’re doing, and thank you for making yourself available to the body of Christ.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, we have wonderful people. This is the strongest station in Denver. It’s a 50,000-watt station. We’re only on one station at this point. Wow. You know, we’re just watching God saying, what do you want us to do? Barbara keeps saying, now what’s God telling you? Where are we going with this thing? And I just have to say, we’re being obedient a day at a time, and we’re having a ball.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Well, listen, do you have something else?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I want you to hang on. I wanted to get your address. Sure. I’m going to fire some tapes back to you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure, I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you very much. God bless you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Hey, thanks for hooking up again.
SPEAKER 04 :
God bless all of you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, I’ll hang on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, we’ll get your address here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, we got another phone call. Kathy, line two.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hi.
SPEAKER 02 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Fine, how are you?
SPEAKER 02 :
Wonderful.
SPEAKER 05 :
I feel privileged to be able to talk to you two again. I was about six months ago that I called, and I was hysterical about problems with my husband.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And Barbara said I needed to be quiet, and I tried, and I’m not real good at it, but things have improved in that area. Oh, good. And I, too, like Al, had listened to the coffee shop years ago, and I had called the coffee shop one time about a car or something, and I saw results then, too. So that’s why I’m calling again.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, what happened with the car?
SPEAKER 05 :
I had, well, I bought a real lemon and the man did not want to deal with me to try to correct the problem whatsoever. He just said no and sent me packing. And I called and told you and you prayed over it. And the next day the guy called me. I mean, it had been months. The next day he called and said, I’ve got a car for you, and we’re going to come get that old one. I mean, it was just a miracle. Oh, that’s great. I love the way the Lord does things. It was so shocking to me. I was like, wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, praise God.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I’m a believer, but I have a situation in the home that we live in, and my husband has been married before, and his wife had a separate bedroom because they had a bad relationship. Her room now belongs to our boys, and they’re four and six. When I first moved in, I had sensed a problem in that room.
SPEAKER 02 :
Wait a minute. How long have you been married?
SPEAKER 05 :
Eight years this year. So you’re living in the house that he had lived in with his ex-wife. It’s a trailer house. The house is a fine house and everything, except I believe there’s spirits in that room, and I had prayed.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, let me get some more information here. Were you married before, Kathy?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. All right. And your husband’s a believer? Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, but he doesn’t believe in the spiritual warfare things. Okay. He told me I was looney tunes over this, and this is a lot of why we’ve had, I think, marriage problems, too. We’re just not in the same place whatsoever. We’re not on the same frequency. I just know, and my sister came up last week, and I had finally decided, actually went back a long ways, this closet is the problem. I thought the closet was the problem, and I just get the willies every time I open the thing, and I just didn’t keep anything in there. And I got tired of it, and I felt like, well, this is my home. I’m going to take authority over whatever it is. And I took the doors off the closet. But I think that made matters worse.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let me ask you a question. Do you and your husband really love each other?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know. I know he really loves me. We’ve had so many problems. Sometimes I feel like I don’t love him, but I know I must. I’m still here trying to work this out.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Now, you haven’t had children together.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, we have. He has two.
SPEAKER 02 :
You have two children together. Right. Did he have children from that first marriage?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, he does, and they’re 17 and 18.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, so they’re not, are they in your house?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we have joint, but no, they don’t live here. Their residential is with their mother.
SPEAKER 02 :
So they come and go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they have a separate bedroom, which I’ve never been allowed to make a room for these boys there. That belongs to his older boys. We only have three bedrooms, so that’s why we’re stuck with this one.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. Now, you guys sleeping together?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Do you have a good marriage in that regard?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Okay. Do you believe that greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world? Yes. Do you believe that the blood of Jesus covers everything and is strong against the devil?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. And in Ephesians 6, it says our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and against powers. And so you have realized that there’s something going on there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And have you anointed?
SPEAKER 05 :
I have anointed and I have thrown things away. I’ve burned things. I have washed things. I have been, this last week has been worse because I painted this closet. I figured, well, maybe if I painted it would help. My sister came up and she has the gift of discernment and it’s pretty amazing. She believes that there’s some sort of an entity here. She believes that there’s a presence.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh yeah, but let me tell you something. That’s as easy to get rid of as taking a broom and sweeping a Kleenex out the door.
SPEAKER 08 :
And Jesus said it with one word. In Matthew 8 it says he cast out the demons with a word. And you have to believe that greater is he. who is in you than he who is in the world. Greater is the Lord God and Jesus Christ than the devil. And you’ve got to know that beyond a shadow of a doubt. No doubt at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Can I tell you that I believe that, but sometimes I don’t trust my prayers. I don’t believe that maybe I’m going to get this, and I don’t know why I have such a problem there.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let me say this to you, Kathy. That’s one reason we’re on the air, is to help people over the hump and say, I’m not afraid of the devil, and I’m not afraid of those demons. I’m going to tell you something else. I’m going to give you something to do today. Have you ever anointed that room?
SPEAKER 05 :
I wash the walls and I put anointing oil in the water. Does that qualify or not?
SPEAKER 02 :
But I’ll tell you what, when we finish today, I want you to take some cooking oil or oil of some kind or olive oil. Do you have olive oil?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I do, but I’m beginning to think there’s something wrong with my jar of olive oil now because I anointed it.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, no, no. The devil’s got you on the run. We’ve got to stop him.
SPEAKER 08 :
Are you from a Catholic background? Oh, yes. Okay, all right. Okay, this is good because when you go to communion in your Catholic church… Just a minute.
SPEAKER 02 :
Do you still go to the Catholic church?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, no. Okay. But when you were a Catholic and the priest blessed that grape juice or wine, whatever it was, and the bread, it became the body and the blood of Jesus. Right. Right. You believe that it was. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, when it’s the same thing with the anointing oil, that anointing is from God. That anointing is spiritual. And when you bless it to be the anointing of God, it is exactly like communion. In fact, if you believe more in communion, you can take grape juice and anoint that closet, knowing that the blood of Jesus now covers. It’s not your prayer so much as you knowing that that blood works. That anointing works, Kathy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, do I have to go everywhere? Because after we prayed over that closet, I had trouble in my closet. Is this like craziness, or is this a possibility that it could have moved?
SPEAKER 02 :
Let me say this. I think one of the reasons you called today was for confirmation.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
See, I don’t think, see, the devil’s got, he’s messing with your mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 02 :
But you’re a lot stronger as a believer than you realize. And have you got a pencil there?
SPEAKER 07 :
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. I want you to write down a scripture on confidence. In fact, I’m going to give you two of them. One is one of my favorites, Hebrews 1035. Cast not away your confidence, Kathy, for it has a great reward. And that’s confidence in the word. And then I’ll give you another one. First John chapter five, verse 14 and 15. And this is the confidence we have in him that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. If he hears us, we know we have those requests we’ve made of him. Now there’s two unconfidence.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now here’s what I’d like for you to do. Speak those out loud morning, noon, and night. Do you have a power pack from us?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Get in the power pack. And I wouldn’t take over three categories. The confidence is one. I’d say God’s love is another.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there isn’t a category in confidence.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, but I’m giving you one. And here’s the scripture for you. First John three one. How great is the love the father has lavished upon us. We should be called the children of God. That’s a good one for you. Now, if you speak the word out loud every day, God will raise your faith level, increase your confidence in your prayers. then I believe that you would be a very dependable prayer partner.
SPEAKER 08 :
Also, there are some cards in the very beginning. There’s on this coming against a spirit of fear and coming against Satan himself. And you need to know what the blood of Jesus has done for you, Kathy. I really don’t believe you know the ramifications of what Jesus did for you. And I believe that Satan is trying to really blow your mind. And in, um, take Philippians four and verse six and seven and says, be anxious for nothing, nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with Thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. He’s going to take care of it. Kathy. He really is. And he’s going to show you how to do this. And it says the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall guard your heart and put your hand over your heart. When you say this verse shall guard my heart and shall guard my mind in Christ Jesus, because Satan is trying to do some real numbers on your mind. And whatever is true, honorable, think about those things that are lovely and have a good report. Don’t focus on that demonic kind of thing. And I think he’s been turning you around inside out, focusing on this more than anything else. And it’s become an absolute obsession to you.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve had a really hard time for a lot of years with these thoughts.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, let me tell you, you get into the Word, speak the Word, and you’ll win the battle.
SPEAKER 05 :
Can I just ask you one other question?
SPEAKER 02 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Can this have anything to do with me physically? I can count on one hand the times I was sick before I got married. I’m wondering if there’s any connection within a year of moving here. I’ve had just one thing after another, and they’ve diagnosed our youngest kid with asthma, an allergy-related asthma. Now they’re trying to tell us our other boy has it, too.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I believe that comes from fear.
SPEAKER 05 :
And, well, yes, I know my oldest boy does suffer with fear, and I do too, a little. And so I wondered, is any of this related or is this all separate stuff?
SPEAKER 02 :
I think it’s all a package.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So you take those cards on coming against the spirit of fear in your power pack, and you say those because that is an area that you need to really watch, and that’s an area of fear. And so we’re going to pray that you can… Yeah, let’s go for it. Oh, let’s do that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Do you have that anointing oil or olive oil in your house?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, I do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Why don’t you go get it, and I want you to hold on to it while we pray.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’ll tell you, God’s going to spring her free, Barbara.
SPEAKER 08 :
We’ve got to believe that these things work, Darren. We have got to believe. When I take communion, when I took communion in Tulsa, I believe that that grape juice you brought to me became the blood of Jesus and it energized me spiritually and physically. We have got to believe that. And believing is being fully persuaded to know that I know that I know that this thing’s going to work.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I think you have to believe that spiritually, that spiritually becomes what Jesus’ blood, what he left for us. As often as you do this, he said, do this in remembrance of me.
SPEAKER 08 :
And it says in 1 Corinthians 11, some of you are weak and some of you have died because you have not realized the full impact of the power of this blood.
SPEAKER 02 :
He said rightly discerned. Understood. Kathy, are you back? Yes, I am. Okay. Barbara and I are jabbering. Okay. Have you got that oil there?
SPEAKER 07 :
I do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Father God, I pray and ask right now that you would give Kathy the confidence that this oil is okay, that she can use it, that it signifies Holy Spirit. And Father, I just thank you that her house is being cleansed. And I say that every… demonic spirit there is leaving now, and as she goes about and anoints the doors, and Kathy, the way you do that, just reach up on both sides of the door. When you walk under it, just go on each side. Okay. I put a cross up there. Cross, yes. And I just say, Jesus, this place is yours, and no demonic spirit can operate here, and we have the spirit of boldness here and the spirit of righteousness in this place. Mm-hmm. And thank him for that. And I would suggest this. Don’t rag on your husband about this. And I would pray Ephesians 1, 17 and 18. You got your pencil there?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
And that’s praying that the eyes of his heart would be enlightened. And he’ll come.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, he’ll come. And God can work. Holy Spirit can work with your husband better than you can.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I’ve seen him do that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good.
SPEAKER 05 :
But it just kind of laughed in my face at this stuff.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that’s okay. That’s all right. He’ll come. Well, start blessing your husband with a thirst for righteousness, and that will cause him, I believe, to get deeper in the Word. But maybe at this point you’re telling him too much. Maybe you need to let Holy Spirit do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, Father, I just thank you for Kathy’s phone call, and we say their house is blessed. Thank you, Jesus. And I see the light of Jesus in every closet in their house.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Every closet, every hallway, every bedroom, in the kitchen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, let Kathy see this, Father. Let Kathy see this Holy Spirit. And Father God, I lift up her two boys in Jesus’ name. I say, Spirit of fear, you have no authority over this household. And in the name of Jesus, we cast you out. And we say that you are no longer able to do anything to these little boys and to Kathy in the name of Jesus. And I speak that with the authority that Jesus has given us on this earth in Jesus’ name. Praise God. Hallelujah. Thank you, Mary.
SPEAKER 02 :
Kathy, I have a special tape I want to send to you. So you hang on. I want to get your address here.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 02 :
God bless you. Hey, one more thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
We love you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I love you, too.
SPEAKER 02 :
It works.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it works. Thank you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Hang on. Well, let’s talk to Ed now on line one. How are you doing, Ed?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m doing fine. How are you?
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you for waiting. Thank you for waiting.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s okay. I have two grandsons. One’s name is Levi, and he’s age 10. and Isaac is seven, and they both have a lot of problems. The doctors have diagnosed Isaac with ADHD and Levi with ADD. They have been sexually raped by two boys, and they have a lot of anger because they don’t have a dad.
SPEAKER 02 :
How old are they?
SPEAKER 06 :
Ten and seven.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Are you sure they were raped?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
How do you know that?
SPEAKER 06 :
Mother told me.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. How does she know that?
SPEAKER 06 :
Her son told her.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Well, is this your daughter? Uh-huh. Is she a Christian? Yes. Is she spirit-filled?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
In Romans 8, 16, it says, Jesus cast out the spirits with the word and healed them all.
SPEAKER 08 :
In Matthew 8. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s Matthew 8. Matthew 8, 16 and 17. Matthew 8, 16 and 17. So I’d just like to pray today that we’ll come against those spirits of molestation, spirits of confusion, spirits of fear, spirits of anger. And I need to say this to you. I believe a lot of the problems that the boys are having are transferred to them by their mother.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And I believe the best thing you can do for them, Edna, is to not ever mention this again. Just talk about the love of Jesus. Oh, I don’t talk about it. Okay, good. Because they need to start a new life. They need to start in a new perspective. And just reading them good stories at night before they go to bed or when you have them there is so important.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, they’re both so, especially Isaac, they’re so indoctrinated into They know more about that than they do Jesus.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, but see, your daughter’s going to have to make some quality decisions there to be a stronger disciplinary and more consistent.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, yes, and she hasn’t been consistent. She has a lot of medical problems, too. She’s been diagnosed with MS, and she has, how do you say it?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, this diagnosis thing, Edna, I just think a spirit of lying happens. There’s a spirit of lying, and I don’t believe your daughter has MS. She might want it. She might want to be disabled for a reason, to have an excuse. Some people love to have this disease so that they can have little love pets and some TLC given to them, but I just don’t believe in all these diagnoses.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then the doctor, and I can see it in her eyes because the doctor needs to do a cornea transplant, and he says he has no cornea.
SPEAKER 02 :
Why don’t you do this? Why don’t you have your daughter call us?
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, I’ll ask her if she will.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, but your daughter’s really going to have to take responsibility, and I think she’s trying to run from it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I do, too, yes. I keep telling her, I said, turn those tapes off, get rid of them, and buy some Christian videos for your children.
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Well, now you know I’m going to be tough on her if she calls. I need to tell you that, Grandma. Right, okay. Because, see, if she didn’t get these boys really under control, godly control, and they started driving cars.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh. God forbid.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, no, God forbid. Let’s see here, in about six years, that kid’s going to be driving.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. I keep telling Levi, I have him through the fourth grade right now, and I tell him, I said, you’ve got to be a lot more responsible before you can ever, ever drive a car.
SPEAKER 08 :
Do you give him some things to do? I try. Well, I think you need to stay on him. When he’s over at your house, you give him some chores, some little things to do. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, he does not like to do them, and we went round and round. Mm-hmm. But I finally got him to wash the dishes. Oh, good.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I’ll tell you, you need to pray against a spirit of rebellion, first of all, in your daughter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
And she’s passed down her problems, and now she’s getting a report card in public. And I want to say this again. See, she’s getting a report card, and she doesn’t like it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
You need to tell her, look, it only goes downhill from here if you don’t take charge. And God will help you, Mom, if you carry out those mother responsibilities. If you don’t, I’m going to use a tough word here, but it’s going to be hell to pay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I know it is. And I don’t want to see that. I pray constantly for my children.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, right. Well, you know, I said that to a young mother a while back. She cried for two days. Oh, my. And if I had to do it again, I’d do it again. But, you know, I used to have these kids in school when I was a principal.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, and you know.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, I haven’t had contact, but I’m sure some of those parents cursed their kids right into prison.
SPEAKER 06 :
Are the boys on medication? Isaac is. Levi is not.
SPEAKER 02 :
What kind? Is he on Ritalin?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. That’s horrible stuff.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know something? I’ll just say this to you, Grandma. You really need to pray. You really need to. That’s bad stuff. I just don’t agree with it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know it. I know. Shana has joined the… This vitamin company. Oh, I can’t think of the name of it right now. And they are researching some vitamins now to take the place of Ritalin.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good. Wonderful. I like that approach. Listen, we’ve got to pray.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right.
SPEAKER 02 :
Father, lift up this grandmother and the daughter and the grandsons. And Father God, you’re not without answers for these boys and for this mother and for this grandmother. And, Lord, I pray and ask that they would reach out to you for a spirit of confidence and joy and peace. And, Lord, your authority can be in that household. They don’t need to be run by the television set and run by your responsibility. So, Father God, we just call that into this family. Three generations here, the grandmother, the mother, and the grandkids. In Jesus’ powerful name, Lord, just let them sense your love. In the powerful name of Jesus, amen.
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