In this episode of Call to Freedom, join Barbara Carmack and her guests as they discuss the profound impact of spirituality and miracles in everyday life. The episode highlights an inspiring moment when Psalm 40 was read at the Grammy Awards by Lauryn Hill, showcasing the testament of faith in unexpected places. The hosts dive deep into heartwarming stories of recovery and healing through prayer, including the touching journey of little Samantha, a six-week-old fighting for her life against all odds. Listeners are encouraged to explore their faith, understanding the power of the Holy Spirit and the profound effect
00:24:42 Explanation of the Power and Role of the Holy Spirit
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Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I’m delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let’s join Barbara in the studio.
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On this Encore broadcast, Darren and I talk about Psalm 40 being read at the Grammys by Lauren Hill, and what a testimony that is to those watching. Robert calls in about his six-week-old niece, Samantha, who was rushed to the hospital with severe bruises and that she is recovering after much prayer. John calls in, and I give him Jeremiah 33.3. and Isaiah 43, 1 through 4, to confirm God’s love for him. Listen up, John, to how much you’ve grown. God bless you and keep you as you listen this next half hour. Now let’s join the program.
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Well, praise the Lord, praise the Lord, praise the Lord, Barbara.
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Hallelujah.
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We’re going to have a wonderful day today.
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It sure is.
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And I think we ought to have a report on little Samantha. You know, her mother Beatrice called in the other day, and this baby had been abused, and the baby’s in the hospital here in Denver. And you got a recent report from Family.
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Yes, that she was drinking from the bottle again, and I don’t know what her status is, but they’re looking up as far, and they’re already talking about when they’re going to put her in a foster home. So at least they feel like she’s going to pull through. She’s not going to die. Praise God. Amen. And hopefully there will not be any brain damage. Praise the Lord.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I’m going to say more than hopefully. You know, we prayed for that the other day, and I’m going to say and declare in the name of Jesus a prophetic word, if that’s how we have to approach it this time, that that baby will not have any traumatic carryover. We prayed against that and against brain damage. So anyways, many of you have been curious. You’ve been praying for that little baby that was a victim of abuse at six weeks old. So now I think she must be about eight weeks old.
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Yeah, probably. Oh, it’s good news, though. Praise God. I just pray that her angel will watch over her. Oh, praise the Lord. Some little babies are born into situations where they hardly even have a chance. And it sounds like little Samantha was in this kind of situation, so…
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Well, she’s got some great people praying for her. Uncle Rob there is praying, and we know he’s a dynamic man of God, man of the Word.
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Yeah, praise God. I need to ask you, have you ever seen Scripture read at the Grammy Awards?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, no, because I haven’t seen very many Grammy Awards. That’s kind of your deal in the household.
SPEAKER 06 :
I never in all the years that, and I don’t watch it. Last year I didn’t watch it at all because some of the music is just so worldly. But last night I just tuned it in to see who’s going to win Country Western, that kind of thing, and found out that Lauryn Hill, who won the, album of the year, she read from Psalm 40. Psalm 40, Darren. And I mean, she brought her little Bible up and she said, you know, I know that you haven’t heard this before, but we’re going to read this. And it was Psalm 40. I waited patiently for the Lord and he inclined to me and heard my cry. He brought me up out of the pit of destruction, out of the miry clay, and he set my feet upon a rock, making my footsteps firm. He put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God.
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She read that and you could tell she’d spent a lot of time in her little Bible there. And she’s very familiar with that scripture and she was praising God openly.
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That’s right. And she named her little boy Zion and she named her little girl Selah. And in the Psalms, if you see that little word Selah, which is S-E-L-A-H, it means to pause and ponder what you just read for a while. So I thought, man, I’ve never heard of a little girl named Selah.
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So 50 million people heard the word of God, however many people were watching. You know, we’ve got Uncle Robert on the line. Robert, how are you doing?
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I’m blessed. How are you today, Darren?
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Doing good.
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That’s good. I just talked to my mom this morning.
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Now we’re talking here now about Samantha, the baby.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, we are, about Samantha. She’s in intensive care. They got her in her own regular room. Now she’s doing real good.
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Good.
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Doing excellent.
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Praise God.
SPEAKER 04 :
I wanted to… reiterate and share a little bit about the night that my sister called me, and I tried getting over, it’s just the way God works, because I was headed out to be with you guys that night, and things didn’t work out, and I was stuck over here by Kersey, and I really believe if I would have been there, I would have missed the call. And then they called me up, they told me what was going on, and I was kind of harsh with my sister, and I just told her, well, you know, to shut up and quit crying. What’s going on here? What scriptures are you standing on here? We’re talking about life and death here. You just quit crying, suck it up, and start getting to God’s word and start quoting scriptures.
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Now this is your sister’s baby.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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So at the same time that I felt in the spirit to get ahold of you guys, I kept calling to the Holiday Inn there, and I couldn’t get through. So then I called the operator and see if they would intercept the call. And operator came back and told me, well, no, they said that even it’s emergency, they’re not going to let the call go through. So then I was praying in the spirit and came to me to try the restaurant. So I called the restaurant and that’s what I called. And I know Fritz came. I asked for Fritz and he came to fold and I told him the situation. And I know without a doubt that you’ve got to give the glory to all the people there that night. with you guys that just lifted up little Samantha. I know she wouldn’t be with us today if it wasn’t for all the prayers that went forth that night.
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You really believe that?
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Oh, without a doubt.
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The baby had a severe abuse there, didn’t he?
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Yes.
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Why were you so tough on your sister?
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Because when you’re crying and stuff like that, that’s not going to do no good, even though you feel that way. You’ve got to stand on God’s Word, because God’s Word is what moves.
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Oh, that’s right, Rob. Oh, praise God.
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You know, a lot of people don’t understand that, Rob, during a traumatic time. You know, prayer is going to help, and faith is going to help, but crying is not going to help. That’s right. And, you know, sometimes you get really tough with somebody, they don’t understand that, but… You know, I believe your prayers are initially save this little baby’s life because that blow to the head was pretty severe, wasn’t it?
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Sure was.
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Okay.
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Yeah, because the way the doctors talked that she’d be paralyzed and she’d be, you know, there wouldn’t be no more reactions. She’d be brain dead, basically they were saying. You know, she wouldn’t be doing nothing or anything.
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And she was six weeks old when she got injured?
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Yes, she was. And the first thing I told my sister, I go, hey, remember, this baby was blessed in the womb because… When she was in the hospital in Fort Morgan, and I had her call you guys over there, and we prayed for the baby when she was still in the womb.
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Right.
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That too, so, you know, God’s had his hands on this baby. It’s going to be a miracle-working baby, and we’re going to see a lot of… People come to know the Lord through her.
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I wish we had more family like you’re talking about here where there would be at least somebody there that knows how to pray when something like this happens. You’d also believe they’re going to get it and they’re going to find out who hit that baby. Yeah. I believe they’re going to do some time.
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I believe that without a doubt.
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So, but we’re really praying, too, for your sister that she’d be protected and not be afraid. And she’s in a tough spot, but God’s going to bring her through that.
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Yep, that’s right.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, on the air when she first called me, I was, you know, the gifts were operating. And I just asked, Lord, you know, what’s going on here? And he showed me a man’s hand. And right after that, I said, well, you know, I see a man’s hand. And she said, well, the nurse said it couldn’t be a woman’s hand. It had to be a man’s. hand or a man’s fist that hit that baby. And, you know, I praise God for that word of knowledge.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s true. Amen.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, praise God, brother. Anything else?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, two, I’m trying to, when my daughter has a day off, she can see if she can call in and give a praise report. Remember, she’s the one who had her, they were going to amputate her finger.
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Right.
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And her finger is normal and everything, and they told her her fingernail would never grow back. Her fingernail is coming out. It’s almost all the way out completely. and stuff, and she’s giving the glory to God and everything. She goes, I know without a doubt, you know, But I’m glad that they got a hold of you, because if it would have been up to my mom, they would have just had my finger cut off.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, praise the Lord, you know. But, you know, you need to be sure and tell them it’s not Darren Barber, it’s Jesus, man. That’s right. Oh, yeah, she knows that with all her heart. Good. Well, hey, listen, we’ll let you go, brother, but we appreciate you.
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I love you all, too.
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I’m going to start calling you Miracle Robert. Okay. God bless. It’s not I that moves, but Jesus who moves in me. I know. You know, when you left, you were in the Mexican Mafia, weren’t you?
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It could have been, yep. Hello.
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You know, I love you so much, and you told me one time all you wanted to do was kill white people. God’s really changed you, hasn’t he?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he sure has. He’s brought me a long way.
SPEAKER 02 :
He sure has. Well, the Word of God works, my brother. That’s for sure. Okay, I appreciate you calling me in. You know, when we went to this little Spanish church here in Denver, upon the front wall it says, Don’t judge my future by my past. And Pastor Herrera had that up in his church, and I’ll tell you, I hung on to that.
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Amen.
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And I hope you don’t judge my future by my past, and I’ll do the same for you. How’s that? That’s excellent. Okay, man.
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You’re right.
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God bless you.
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I’m a new creature in Christ.
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Amen, brother. Amen. God bless. God bless you. Bye-bye. Bye. Line two, John, how you doing? Hello, John.
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I was thinking that God was disappointed in me because there’s a lot of people that were wanting the truck that I was using that I was using for work. Hello?
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Yeah, you don’t need to be worried about God. He’s not disappointed in you.
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Yeah, now it’s the people. People don’t represent God, John.
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Well, they get down on me so hard.
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But that’s not God. That’s people. And you have got to divide what you get from God and what people tell you.
SPEAKER 02 :
What scripture did you have for me on confidence?
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Oh, therefore do not cast away your confidence for it has great reward.
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Okay, have you been saying that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, I’ve been saying that and saying other scriptures. There’s one. I’ve been trying to get one that says remove from me reproach and contempt, and for I have kept your testimony. Princesses also sit and speak against me, but the servant meditates On his statues. Your testimony also are my delight and my counselors.
SPEAKER 02 :
John, you know the Word of God has straightened you out so much. When I first talked to you on the phone, you had a lot of confusion. And now the Word of God is coming to your benefit. But I’ll tell you, we’ve got a teaching for you today. And I want you to hang up the phone and I want you to listen to this. Because it’s going to be a really good one. Okay. All right? Hey, and one more thing. I love you, brother.
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Can you keep me in prayers?
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Oh, I do.
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We do. Okay.
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You’re big, John.
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And remember, when people talk to you, that does not mean God is talking to you, John. Okay? Okay. So you go to the Word, and you look up Jeremiah 33, 3.
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33, 3.
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Yes. And also Isaiah 43, 1 through, oh, let’s see, 4. Okay.
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43-124.
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And that’s going to show you how much God loves you, John. People may not love you, but God loves you. Okay? Okay.
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All right.
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All right, John.
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God bless you.
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God bless. God bless. Thank you, Jesus. Oh, praise God. Thank you, Lord. Well, today we want to be talking here, and also on Tuesday night we’ll talk about some of this. But Tuesday night we have a great class, folks. It’s Holiday Inn, North Glen, 7 o’clock p.m. And you say, well, I don’t need anything. I don’t know why. You kind of run an emergency ward there. Well, in some cases we do, but we teach the ways of God. And some of you are losing because you don’t know the ways of God. In other words, how does it work? What does God want? Where do I go in the Bible to find an answer? That’s what we teach on Tuesday nights. So come on out and join us.
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Well, and I notice those people that are really learning, Darren, they bring their Bible and they bring a notebook. And there are people that come with nothing. And you say, well, I just came from work. Okay, you came in a car. You can keep your Bible in your car and you can keep your notebook there. And you can bring it in and begin to write. I’ll tell you, those people that are really learning are writing in our class. And that’s so important to take the word and write it down.
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You know, some of them that have been with us for a while, they finally realized that God really has something for them. And we teach the ways of miracles. Some of you don’t even know you need a miracle. You don’t even know where to start. With God, with the word, how to pray, how to believe, how to trust, what to do after you received your miracle, how to hang on to it. We try to teach those very practical things. In fact, we we we have a tape that called how to keep your miracle. Well, some of you see who come to class and we pray for you and the class prays for you. The listeners pray for you. You get a miracle and you lose it. Well, you don’t have to lose it. God intends for you to keep that. There’s a way to do it. And we have a tape on that, by the way. All right, Barb, what do you have?
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Were you going to explain that first?
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, that’s right. We got a question about what’s the deal on fire and rain and Darren and Denver? Well, fire and rain is our corporate name. And God gave us that about 10 years ago. And it’s called fire. That’s the power of God on the earth and the reign of man.
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You know, we are called priests. That’s right. Kings and priests.
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We’re supposed to rule and reign on planet Earth.
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That’s right.
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And so immediately this name came to us. His fire stands for the power of God. Rain, R-E-I-G-N, stands for the reign of man. And it tells us that we’re kings and priests.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. And I hope someday when we’ve got a center for Darren in Denver and fire and rain, you got a gorgeous quilt from a lady. And it shows the fire of God upon mankind to empower him to do mighty and miraculous things on this earth.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, here’s a scripture in Revelation 1, 6 that says he has made us to be a kingdom priest to his God and father to be the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. That’s what that name is. And then they also asked about what’s freedomstreet.com, and that’s our website. And if you take that, if you’ve got Internet, www.freedomstreet, one word, no caps, .org. And that’s for nonprofits.
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That’s org, O-R-G.
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Yes.
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And we’ve had a little problem with our Internet provider. We’ll get that straightened out, and that will be up online here very soon. So anyway, and Darren in Denver is the… is the name of the ministry we use on air and on Tuesday nights. So if you want to be real legal about it, it’s Fire and Rain Incorporated, DBA, doing business as Darren in Denver. That’s right. DBA. Hallelujah. Yep. That’s good. We have to do a lot of that for this legalese stuff, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. The government.
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The IRS. Yes.
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I wish we could just do, you know, like Jesus said when he commissioned his 12 to go out and preach the Gospels. Don’t take anything with you and just go and preach and do God’s word. But it seems like the government has us entrenched in a lot of paperwork.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, praise God. You know, the disciples didn’t have you all and all the computers and all the printing presses and all the other stuff that you have to have. But praise God, we’re getting the job done anyway.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Well, we’re going to talk a little bit about baptism of Holy Spirit as much as we have time for today and then a little bit more tomorrow. and especially the topic of tongues. And the churches we grew up in, Darren, they really were non-charismatic churches, and they thought that tongues was of the devil. And in fact, I heard them many times say that. And I remember my first husband, John, going to his professor at college in California and saying, Dr. Carver, is tongues a viable thing in the Word of God? And he said… And this was a man who helped with the New International Version Bible. So he’s a very knowledgeable professor. And he said, yes, but it’s dangerous and I wouldn’t recommend you to pursue it. And that’s the explanation they gave. They knew it was in the Bible. They knew it was in 1 Corinthians 12. They knew it was in 1 Corinthians 14. And it’s even in the Old Testament, Darren. God makes mention of this gift in the Old Testament, getting us prepared for something. And it’s in Isaiah 28, verse 11. And in my church, I would hear sermons on Isaiah 28 about to whom would he teach knowledge and to whom would he interpret a message. Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast? Well, of course the answer is no. Those that have been in the word, those that know God, those that are… are loving him those are the ones he’s going to teach and those are the ones that he’s going to help interpret the message then it goes on indeed he will speak to this people through stammering lips and a foreign tongue and some of you would say well that doesn’t not that doesn’t necessarily mean tongues like you’re talking about well let’s turn he has this mentioned again in the new testament
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But, honey, I think we ought, excuse me, Barbara, I shouldn’t call you honey on the radio. That’s right. Okay. But here in verse 12, right after what you’re reading, he said to them, here is rest, give rest to the weary, and here is repose, but they would not listen.
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They would not.
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So the word to them will be order on order, line on line. In other words, boring, boring.
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Well, and he’s mocking.
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A little here and a little there.
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He’s mocking the people there.
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That they may go and stumble backward, be snared, broken, and taken captive.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, and so we heard from our churches this scripture in the Old Testament, but this didn’t mean tongues of the New Testament. Well, let’s check it out. Let’s do this. Turn to 1 Corinthians 14, and in the 20th and 21st verse, here is God again, and he’s bringing up Isaiah 28, 11, and 12, Darren. Brethren, do not be children in your thinking, yet in evil be babes, but in your thinking be mature. In the law it is written, and this is Isaiah 28, the very one we just read, By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to the people, and even so they will not listen to me, says the Lord. So then tongues are for a sign. See, this incorporates the whole message of tongues, Isaiah 28 and 11, and prepares us for the New Testament power of the gift of tongues.
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Now, this gift of tongues comes out of the baptism, which Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan. That’s right. In the Holy Spirit. And that anointing or that empowerment or that enablement came on him. And you’ll notice if you read scripture, he’s performed no miracles until after he was baptized in this power. And in the book of Acts, it says the spirit will come upon you and you will be empowered. And it’s the baptism of the spirit first and power second. Now, some of you are in churches that don’t that don’t practice these gifts that don’t allow these gifts to function. You may be like our background where they mock these gifts. Well, okay, you can mock the gifts, but I’m telling you where that happens, there is no power for miracles. And folks, I’m going to tell you, our world is so messed up, and there are things that we can’t discern always medically. We can’t always discern them financially or politically or socially. And many times you need to have the Holy Spirit speaking into your life for you to know what’s going on. Now, some of you spent years and years and years in what I call a dead church, and a dead church is one where there’s nothing happening outside of, say, what they can do by performance. And some of you know that. You never see, you’re in a dead church, you never see somebody get healed. You never see them get delivered of, say, alcohol or drugs or demon influence. You never see that. You stand around and say, oh, they need therapy. Oh, they need to go here. They need to go there. Oh, they need this program. Let me tell you, when the Holy Spirit touches you in a split second… Matter of fact, the man called yesterday that I know very well. And he said, I got a blood clot in my leg. So I called him back. I prayed for him. And immediately that blood clot left his leg. And I said, well, walk around, man. Walk around. He’s walking around his house. He said, it is gone, gone, gone. Well, now that comes because of the baptism of the Holy Spirit with power. See, with power. Well, a blood clot’s a pretty serious thing. And this week I prayed for two people that had blood clots in their legs and God touched both of them because of the anointing of the Holy Spirit and tongues.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Right before Jesus went to heaven, Darren, he instructed his people to gather together and not leave Jerusalem, but to wait for the Father who had promised this baptism, which he said, you heard from me. For John baptized with water and but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. And remember when John went out and preached in the first part of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Darren, he said, I baptize with water, but one is coming who is going to baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Now that’s what you’re talking about, the power that we have as baptized again Christians.
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And that’s why this ministry is called Fire and Rain, folks.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. And Jesus says, when you wait in Jerusalem, and this is the first chapter of Acts, you shall receive power. That’s 1411, dunamis, dynamite, when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be witnesses both in Jerusalem, in Judea and Samaria and the remotest part of the earth.
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Now, when we get a phone call here on the air, like this little baby Samantha, I start praying in the spirit. I mean, I may not pray out loud in the spirit, but I’m praying in the spirit saying, God, how do I advise this person? You see, we’re not mind readers. We’re not psychic. Hallelujah. Praise God. We’re not psychic. What we do here comes right out of scripture. But here’s what was going on. In Romans 8, 26, it says, In the same way, the Spirit, meaning the Holy Spirit, helps our weakness. For we do not know how to pray as we should. But the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. So I’m praying in the Spirit like, Now you say, my, that sounds really strange. Well, the anointing is subject to the prophet or to the person that’s been anointed. So when I don’t know how to pray with my mind, I can’t figure it out with the education I have. I can’t figure it out even with the scriptures that I know mentally here. Then I step, I say this, I step into the Spirit, but what I do is just say, Holy Spirit, what’s going on here? Tell me what’s going on. And Barbara may be talking to the caller, and I’m over here quietly praying in the spirit, and he gives us those words of knowledge and those answers.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re usually talking to the caller, but that’s okay. You want to tell the people that Barbara’s talking a lot of the time.
SPEAKER 02 :
We’re going to have somebody use a stopwatch, and they’re going to show you. Let me tell you, this is not spooky. It’s not scary. This is something you can learn to understand and be a part of. Let me make a strong suggestion to you here. This is in the New Testament. It’s all through the book of Acts. It’s in 1 Corinthians 14. Don’t be one of those scissor Christians where you grab your big old scissor and say, well, I don’t understand that and I don’t believe that stuff, so I’m going to cut that chapter out of my Bible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s what a lot of churches do.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s what a lot of churches do. My background did that, unfortunately, and unfortunately they were powerless.
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Yes.
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Now, so we’re trying to tell you how you can get in on the power. And let me also suggest this to you. And this is a stern, strong suggestion. You know, if I had you in front of me, I’d be taking your shoulders, looking in your eyes and say, if you don’t understand this, this is the anointing of God. And it says in the Bible more than one time, don’t touch the anointing. So if you say, well, that’s not for me, that’s fine. Leave it alone. Back away. You can get to heaven without this.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. But don’t bad mouth it. Just because we don’t understand something does not mean that we should bad mouth what we don’t understand. Because 20 years ago, Darren, I did not understand this and I bad mouthed it. And it took 10 years for me to truly begin to pray in that language again. So I encourage you.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, Barb, I’m like you. I had to ask God’s forgiveness for that.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. I did, too. And so if you don’t understand it, just put it on hold. That’s right. And pray. That’s right. And listen to Darren and Barbara tomorrow as we explain. I truly believe after I was baptized in 1963, Darren, and I truly believe God has helped me to understand this beautiful gift. And you also, you were baptized in the 70s, I believe, after John and Barbara came and sang at your church and you thought that they were weirdos. I thought you were nuts. Yes, you did, but you found out they weren’t.
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I gave you a lot of space because you were one of those. One of those. And so I didn’t try to find out who you were. I just, you know, your music was okay, but, you know, all this stuff. Well, anyway, we’ll try to share with you how we got involved here. And I can tell you. When I finally gave up my pride and all this kind of stuff because I had a tremendous problem in ministry. And I said, God, I’ve got to have more power than I’ve got. Yes. And he says, that thing you’ve been fighting all these years, maybe you better look into that.
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