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Liz talks with Juan Martinez about his new book – Prison Break: 21 Days to Spiritual Freedom. After experiencing the realities of a physical prison cell, Juan Martinez has made it his mission to help others find freedom in every way possible—spiritually, culturally, emotionally, psychologically, and physically. His new 21-Day devotional, Prison Break, provides daily, biblical encouragement to embrace a new life in Christ. Facing near death through his experiences, his life has completed changed through the power of the Holy Spirit, and he reminds readers of God's unconditional love, but that we are also a new creation in Him and that we are made for more.
This is Liz Renzel with Crawford Media Group in Denver and today our guest is Juan Martinez, author and lead pastor of Get Rapped Church and founder of Love Live Lead Ministries. We'll be talking about his new book titled Prison Break. It's a 21-day devotional to spiritual freedom. Welcome to our program one. Hey how's it going? I'm so grateful to be with you. We're so thankful you're here. One, first tell us a little bit about yourself and what led you to write this book. Oh absolutely. You know, I'm what are we going to be from Hoboken New Jersey and so you know the classic story of the dad left, parents get the force. You know interesting enough I was raised in religion. You know shut out to my Catholic brothers and sisters but you know it introduced me to God but it really didn't do what I've experienced in life today. Like growing up around that I kind of saw people go to church and then they did whatever they wanted to do in the weekend. At least my family I can speak about. We did whatever we wanted to do so I continued that. I didn't really read my word. I do one prayer and it was the our father who wanted heaven. I'll be the name that came to come and when I would say that it was like I hope you hear me when I pray this prayer and I hope you answer me but it wasn't a certainty of him entering me when I prayed and I joke around with you I'll go finally at 36 at the 23 years of 10 years of physical incarceration and 23 years of being incarcerated with the bars I have placed around my heart. I get saved and you know everything changes for me. I wind up getting saved and I joke around with people I go man when I first started talking to God he was probably like finally because I sounded like a broken record for 35 years. Our father who I have an album he's like you know at some point he's probably like finally you're talking to me you're having a conversation with me and so that's kind of most of my life when Jonah gets spit out of the mouth of the whale I got spit out of the mouth of the jail and I started going to all these places where it's so darkness and I started sewing light and today I'm a pastor God fully restored all my my kiddos marriage everything just I don't know groupful and more than I could ever hope think we're imagined it's kind of where I'm at in life right now author of a book traveling around the globe preaching the gospel and that's kind of in a nutshell my life story my life story is that you know they say beliefs drive behavior my life story was that I had taken a bite of the apple the life is not the problem it's when you believe the life whether it's culturally environmentally the parents you know I had all of these things the friends you picked out right like I you know I would go to church and I'd hear these messages and then I would go to the street and a loving father loving family all these things I didn't see and but what I did see is what I would hear in the rap music and what I saw of the people in the streets and when I saw these things they that all the light looked like true so I adopted a lot of those things a lot of those beliefs as true and my behavior was moved by or empowered by my beliefs right and I encountered Jesus Christ I my exchange what I my will for his will and I changed it at the cross and I totally start believing what he says and my behavior is different did you find did you find him were you saved while you were incarcerated or was that did that happen afterwards I got saved in a cell no worship theme no one preaching I'm a character I had a about a few events I had a near death experience you know I've been in 11 gun incidents near this experience almost died bad didn't change me and one day I'm in a car before I get incarcerated I'm in a car and I am sitting there I never read the Bible before I got all this drugs that I'm transporting I'm sitting in a car and like you know I don't know if you the baptism of Holy Spirit when you just start talking in tongues it all kinds of stuff starts happening and you know there's this evidence that happens that you can't explain it well what happened in my life is I'm in this car and I'm looking at the clouds one day and I could probably count on my two hands house the sober I was in 23 years okay so I'm sitting in the car and I'm sober that day and I'm just sitting there and all of a sudden it's like a faucet turned on I just start crying and while I'm looking at the clouds actually TBM did a whole reenactment video of this whole thing and I'm sitting there and I'm crying in the girl's yelling what do you do we're gonna go to jail what's going on and I'm just crying crying and in my soul I can hear God speak to me now I didn't know that and I was a little bit like what was that but I can hear why are you killing sitting in the showing the lives I'm giving people you're turning these people into drug addicts and prostitutes and you're breaking up homes and you're doing all these things and all of a sudden it's like the faucet turned off I stopped crying and I'm like she you know the girls yelling you all right and I'm just like I started telling people man I think I'm hearing God and a lot of them were laughing and saying man you know they told me they go hey I think you're getting you're too high right fast forward when I get saved and I go and I do my first outreach is over over a thousand fifteen hundred people that show up I didn't even know how to do it I just invited a bunch of people to the park because they all remembered that I said God was speaking to me and now I'm there delivering the gospel amazing and that brings us to your book the book that are prison break title prison break in 21 day devotional to spiritual freedom tell us about that absolutely well I'm excited I have my brother John who wrote the forward you know great deliverance minister I believe he's like one of the generals out there he wrote the forward for it John Ramirez John Ramirez yep and the picture in the front of the book is a brain and the change of breaking reason it's called prison break it's because the premise of the book I would even came out I finished reading this writing this up marriage book and I was talking to charisma and I started telling them about this idea and they were like this is incredible so that's all the book came about but the book is that you know I everyone who's ever been incarcerated or behind physical bars had looked at the bob wire and has always thought how do we get to the other side you know you sit around at the table and everybody thinks about breaking out right most people are thinking no this book you know is it just for inmates I'm like it has nothing to do with an inmate it's just because it's called prison break because fast forward and I become a pastor and I started to realize that there's more people that sound like the guys that are sitting at the table going how do we get to the other side how do I how do I do this how do I do that that have been in church most of their lives and are not free you know Jesus says he came to set the captives free and I also be able to go down to the local jail and open the door he what did he set us free from he set us free from his lies from our lies the lies that we believe that's what he's setting the captive free from what's holding this captive is the lies that you believe so the whole premise of the book you know when I go into the prisons and I tell the guys hey you think that when you walk out you're going to be free because you walked out the door you're not in this building but the truth is you were incarcerated before you got incarcerated before you got into the scene the one that you keep repeating that's incarceration that you don't bond is right you you keep in an eleventh-day trip takes you 40 years because of your unbelief you don't even make it into the promised land so most of us we keep repeating and we see cycles and patterns we see all of these things and the book is designed as a look if the book is is Bible it's just a bunch of Bible in it I just have the gift to make something complicated simple and so God has me doing you know you do these days you have some listening times and review time or quote you also learn how to pray there's bonus chapters on praying and there's bonus chapters on fasting the way the Bible says to do it not opinionated we have lost sight of the cross we have lost we we make the cross just a good Friday Easter thing and the weekends over next April next March you know but it's a way of life well let's talk a bit a little bit about that well yeah tell us how does a religious mindset hold people back explain that a little bit oh totally you know when you think about religion you know I feel like there's a role in the responsibility when we talk about the word relationship one day you know I was praying and I felt like the Lord started to speak to me he said one you're out there shouting from the rooftops have a relationship with Jesus have a relationship with Jesus he said everybody is and I go wasn't that what was the most because yeah but you're telling people to have a relationship who don't know even what relationship means so we would have to understand the context of what a relationship means there are people who have a form of God in this in other words you can dress something up on the outside really well but it's an inside job there has to be a connection there has to be communing there has to be roles and responsibilities right if we have a tenant in a landlord if the tenant don't pay the rent he is not fulfilling his role in responsibility and they're not going to have a good relationship and the and the same way vice versa right the guy has that provided a good place to live and all of that and in communing you see that word commune which is a beautiful word right it's sharing it's the sharing of everything you see it in acts you see it in communion you see it in community you see it in all these things I believe a lot of people are okay with having a form of you know you see people like doing a lot of stuff they don't spend time in their word they don't pray they don't actually believe what they pray and you know we think prayer is a Mexican Pignata right I've asked out for a bunch of things you hit it and every all the candy falls out but prayer is an exchange of heaven and earth prayer is not just you you pray but when you pray where is that power they're almost like the words that light up the lamp unto your feet so when you pray you can't pray about health and not go jog right or stop slowly or stop slowly yeah absolutely but if there's no continuation of you being in his word a progressive state of your soul accepting the word rooted in grounded right and construction terms foundationally becoming one with then you'll never know the truth is he wants you to have knowledge of the truth right becoming one with the truth and so you can't be okay without the cross without the cross there's no resurrection you can't be okay with just going to have a lot of church-yality no Christianity we've been visiting with Juan Martinez and we've been talking about his new devotional titled prison break one what would you like to leave our listeners with today about your book I want everyone to know one thing you know I always say why would I go to church and why would I do all this Christ up if I wasn't gonna go all in won't don't you want to see just no I have seen you know air-dirt or god has read don't you want to see your life being fruitful you know love joy peace patience kindness goodness into the state of the set self-control and you want to see these things there's no way you can do that on your own everybody claims they want the truth you know yes tell our listeners where they can go to find out more about your ministry and also where they can get your book absolutely currently we have a church in Houston is called a www.getwrapj www.getwrapj we also have one martina is that TV you can find me anywhere on the one martina is doctor love and you get the book in amazon Barnes and Noble all the places you can possibly buy a book and you can get it there I encourage all of our listeners to get this book and start your 21 days to spiritual freedom thank you one for joining us today thank you so much Linda I appreciate your time thank you for all you do. 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In this captivating episode, Liz Franzel sits down with Nick Vujicic, a motivational speaker and founder of Nick V Ministries, to explore the profound impact of human trafficking in America. With his personal triumph over physical and mental obstacles as a backdrop, Nick calls upon listeners to recognize and combat the insidious issue of modern slavery. Discover how you can contribute to protecting vulnerable communities as we reveal the frightening truth behind the statistics, and learn tangible steps you can take to make a difference.
SPEAKER 02 :
This is Liz Franzel with Crawford Media Group, and today we are privileged to have Nick Vujicic with us today. He is the founder and CEO of Nick V Ministries, renowned speaker around the world and best-selling author. This month is National Human Trafficking Month, and we'll be talking about his mission to end this horrific crime against humanity. Nick, it's an honor to have you here with us today.
SPEAKER 01 :
Liz, thank you so much for having me on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Nick, you have such an amazing testimony and for our listeners that might not know, you were born with no arms or legs and you have overcome what some would say are impossible circumstances, but we know that all things are possible with God and you are a testament to that. Can you tell us a little bit about your story and how you overcame incredible challenges?
SPEAKER 01 :
Look, thank you so much for asking. I am so blessed at 42 years of age to be able to always let everyone know that first and foremost, having no limbs sounds pretty difficult. But I always tell people that it's not about the physical difficulties as much as the disabilities of the heart and the mind. And for me, you know, people could look at me at school and judge me or decide if they interact with me, isolate themselves from me or even bully me. And I think it was around age six that I knew that I was different than everyone else. And for the first time, I thought, well, that might be an issue. I was raised in a beautiful, loving home, went to church every week. My dad was a pastor, and I was asked by many people, why were you born this way? I did not know why. My brother and sister were born with limbs. People then asked me, what do you want to be when you grow up? I had no idea what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I really felt like I was a burden to my parents. I had ups and downs at school as any student, but obviously had a lot of unwanted attention and definitely fears about my future. The Bible says that God has a hope, plan, and future, and I didn't understand if that verse would really be for me ever. I thought I'd be a burden to everyone around me, never get married, never be happy, never have children, never even get a job. And so I premeditated and planned a suicide attempt at age 10. I attempted in my bathtub and tried to drown myself because all I could see were broken pieces. And by the grace of God, I was stopped by one thought, imagining my parents at my grave wishing they could have done something more. And I didn't want to leave them with that pain. And I just am so glad I decided to stay by His grace. Age 15, I read John chapter 9, a man was born blind. No one knew why he was born that way. And Jesus was asked, why was he born with his disability? And I very much, as you can imagine, related to that story. The blind man gets the fingers of Jesus that are sticky and icky from the mud, and then he sees. And the blind man didn't ask any questions. And I realized, God, if you had a plan for a blind man, And you have a plan for me. And the blind man didn't ask for your plan, but he trusted you. And so, God, today I trust you with my greatest disability of death, of sin, that both you conquered on the cross, Jesus. And so I gave my life to Jesus at 15. At 17, I became vice president of my high school. I did a speech. And the janitor pulled me aside later, and he said, God's going to use you to go around the world. and share your story. And I actually said, I have no story. I don't know what you're talking about. And by the grace of God, started ministry at age 19. I've now gone to 84 countries, met 34 presidents and prime ministers. A billion people in China know who I am, and a billion people in India know who I am. And then out of the story, obviously not preaching, preaching. But then outside of those two closed countries, We've been in many others preaching the gospel to 10% of the whole world.
SPEAKER 02 :
That is absolutely an amazing testimony and I thank you for sharing that. I know who you are and that's why it's such a privilege to be able to talk with you today and I'm so thrilled that we can share you with our listeners. Today we are talking about human trafficking because this month is National Human Trafficking. You know, it's getting more attention but it's still not really being acknowledged a lot by the media. Give us some insight on what it is and how this even happens.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, look, there's so many different things that I needed to learn. I really want people to go to nickveeministries.org, find out the champions for the Brokenhearted series, click on human trafficking. For two years, we've been actually interviewing experts in different fields, including human trafficking, to really understand where this really is in our own backyard and For about two decades, everyone thought that this was more of an international problem. But more so, people are realizing it's actually happening in our own schools, in front of our own children. They don't need to be as violent kidnapping people for sex slavery in our own backyard. They just get lured in from social media, actually, by peers of their school now. People don't understand that a lot of media attention is not really going down to the root issue. People don't still know that there are $100 million worth of lobbying money for bills to pass continually pornographic material in our country. People don't understand that 67% of all teenagers are actually producing sexual images of themselves on their cell phones. People don't understand that one in three girls by age 17 have been raped in America. One out of five boys by age 17 raped in America. What's devious of all these things and other things that, I mean, it's very dark, very heavy to also understand the CPS and foster care system. I have had many friends in the foster care, incredible opportunity to help these children. and they ask these three siblings who are two, four, and six, hey, let's take a photo together as a family. And one of them says, okay, and comes back naked. And so there's a ton, ton, ton of foster kids waiting to go into a loving, protected home. There's a lot of corruption in our country, a lot of fragmented systems between county to county, and it's pretty disgusting as we learn these things. But What's most devious is no one who actually is being trafficked will say that they're being trafficked because they don't think they're being trafficked because they actually get brainwashed. And so what's crazy is, well, that's just what we do. This is who we are. And this is my new circle. It's unbelievable. And this is actually infiltrated to coaches, teachers and even parents in America.
SPEAKER 02 :
When you say infiltrated, what do you mean by that?
SPEAKER 01 :
Actually, softball coaches, basketball coaches, teachers of different tutorials, and even parents actually being part of the pimping and sexual acts. And more of that is going to be revealed here in America. Yaku Boyens is the tip of the spearhead of this issue. And as a church, you know, as a Christian... We need to go to what we really—I mean, no one's really talking about this in the church at all. No one's really bringing this in in education. Louisiana's done a great job in bringing education for adoption and helping unexpected pregnancies with teenagers to know about adoption on just the precipice. It's the first of its kind. It really needs to be mandated. That needs to be mandated. What also needs to be mandated is the real danger to parents as well to warn what human trafficking really is, to know the signs of your own child going through that. But what's crazy is this. There are surveys out there that say that one in five men who go to church on a weekly basis are actually addicted to pornography. And we're not talking about pornography. We're not talking about, you know, just to Gen Z to keep your pants on. to understand the sexualization of a generation. And when we now look at, I mean, even Christian schools, go to the football little team there and hear their conversations. And if you overhear some conversations, you'll actually probably hear someone asking their peers, how many trophies do you have? And that actually means how many girls have you slept with? And so the whole way that the enemy has come in and infiltrated and sexualized and debilitated our young people and attacking them without any buffer because they're on their phone seven hours straight a day. And this is now, this is real. And there is a lot of work to do, a lot of work to do. And I think the church needs to be aware of it. educate their schools, every charter school, every Christian school, every public school, every home, but also in the church to start talking about this as, hey, how many foster kids can we get out of that risk?
SPEAKER 02 :
You had mentioned some of the training you do. What are some of the signs that we can look for that would kind of alert us to something that's off?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, look, it's really peer-to-peer and really isolation and even some emojis. If you actually do some audits on your teenagers, as far as I'm concerned, everyone has their own house rules. But there are expert curriculum and signs of the types of emojis that pimps use, how they go trolling. You know, they're meeting people that they've never met before or they're being coerced in the school. There are signs of isolation. There are signs of even eye contact when they're lying. And just to have an atmosphere at home of saying, don't do this, don't do that, don't meet strangers, to actually sit down and have discussions with your family about what this really is. It is absolutely not surprising to me that 330,000 children are missing, with 3 million that have come over the border completely missing. But even before the border crisis that we have had in recent years, there's hundreds of thousands of people. In DFW alone, there are estimated 400. I'm from Dallas-Fort Worth. estimated 400 active slaves being pimped every single night in Dallas. And it's really interesting to know that those clienteles are normally people who earn more than $150,000, who have two children, and who are aged between 45 and 55 years of age. And you just would never believe that those are the people that are having sex with minors, And so even Native Americans, people don't understand right now, Native Americans are seen as exotic. And so we've been to Native American reservations, and they're taking, the Mexican cartels in Montana are taking daily children and women. And because of the jurisdictions, guess what? The federal government still has not been able to stop this kidnapping right in front of their eyes. And as soon as they get off the reservation, they actually can get away with it. It's happening on a daily basis. Tons of missing kids from Native Americans. People have no clue what's really going on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that is tragic news. And such, you know, the statistics are so, so huge. We're visiting with Nick Vujicic, founder and CEO of Nick V Ministries. renowned speaker and best-selling author, and we've been talking about the work his ministry is doing to help end human trafficking. Nick, would you tell our listeners where they can go to find out more about your ministries and actually get involved in this tragic crime against humanity?
SPEAKER 01 :
Please, thank you very much. nickveenministries.org is where you go. Go click the tab of Champions for the Brokenhearted. you will see then 12 topics that we've chosen, and one of them that we deep dive into is human trafficking. We have been doing that intentionally for two years. Check out Jacob Boyan's ministry. Check out A21, Christine Kane. Check out other people out there that we have shown free resources for all churches, all families, and teenagers alike to just Help them understand we need to address this. We need to address this now and do all that we can and not rest until it's done.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. Thank you for bringing this to light, Nick, and so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 01 :
I love you so much. Thank you so much.
Author and former pastor Mark Rutland delivers a comedic guide to embracing perpetual youth amidst the challenges of aging with his new book “Keep on Keeping on.” This book serves as both a celebration and a humorous rebellion against the inevitable decline that comes with time. With laughter as a tool, he navigates the complexities of aging, offering readers a relatable and spirited perspective on life’s later chapters.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is Liz Frenzel with Crawford Media Group, and today our guest is Dr. Mark Rutland, who has served as a senior pastor, former president of ORU, and now travels nationally and internationally sharing the gospel, along with being a New York Times bestselling author. We'll be talking about his new book titled Keep On Keepin' On, How to Die Young as Old as Possible. Welcome to our program, Dr. Rutland.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you. I'm delighted to be with you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, my intro covered probably only half of what you do. But for the sake of time, let's talk about how you came about writing this witty commentary about aging gracefully, which, by the way, is your 20th book.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, it is my 20th. It's a complete departure, as Monty Python says now, for something entirely different. The previous 19 are pretty serious books, The Life and Leadership of King David, The a book on the 23rd Psalm. This book is a humorous book. It's very funny. It's a book about aging gracefully. I've got concerns that a lot of people in the older ages, they just get older and mean-spirited and difficult and joyless. And I decided, you know, a merry heart doeth good like medicine. So I say to all those people, buy this book and take your medicine like a big boy.
SPEAKER 01 :
I like that. I was flipping through some of your book and it does have some witty things. But you know what? One thing I kind of gleaned on is that aging, one of the things you said was aging gives more of your time. Explain a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. I mean, the things that used to devour the margins in our lives, jobs and extra things, a lot of those things begin to disappear, so it can give us extra time to do things with. Now, that can work both ways, Liz. Sometimes it makes people bored and can't panker us, and they wind up and they downsize their homes, and you've got two people that used to work for a living. Now they're in a closer space. You've got two ball bearings rolling around in a small socket with no lubrication, and it can cause friction. But the good thing is you have time to do things, to enjoy life. And part of the reason I wrote this book is to say to seniors, this is not the worst time of your life. This can be the best time of your life.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know what you were saying about how they get cantankerous and bored, and I think that's a key word is being bored probably puts a lot of people in a bad mood.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, it does, and it's totally unnecessary. There are all the kind of things that we say we want to do our whole lives, all the hobbies and the golf and everything else, but the problem is you come to a place What else do I do? How often can I do that? I can't play golf 24-7 for the last 20 years of my life. So I urge people, get involved in things, volunteer things, have fun. This should be one of the funnest and funniest times of our lives. I urge people, keep on laughing. Keep on finding what's funny. There's funny things in every phase of life, and... Old age or even aging from 50 up, I'm not just talking about being 80 or 90. From 45, 50 on, your body changes, your life changes, your marriage changes, your relationships change. And if you let it make you bored and mean and angry, it will ruin some of the greatest times of your life. But if you'll keep on laughing, keep on being grateful, keep on rejoicing, this can be one of the greatest times of your life.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, another thing that you had said is to turn every moment into an opportunity for ministry. So what's a good way to do that since some might not be comfortable with it?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yes, I think anybody would be comfortable with it if they broadened the definition for ministry. So if they think of ministry as, you know, standing on a street corner with a John 316 sign, they might not be comfortable with that. But ministering to people. I'm going to tell you something, Liz. The older I get, the more young people are attracted to me. It's not worked at all like I thought. My son pastors a large church in Cartersville, Georgia, and my wife and I attend there. I love to hang around the lobby, and I greet people when I'm not traveling, preaching myself or teaching, and greet people, and I joke around with the teenagers. His youth pastor quit, and the teenagers ask him to make me the youth pastor.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I think that, you know, that has to do with you and your personality and the fact that you do exude humor. And I think people glom onto that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, people want joy and they want vitality and life and generosity. I think that as people get older, sometimes they clamp down on life. They quit giving as much. They quit praising as much. They're not as generous with their compliments or even just with life. And I say keep on giving. Keep on being generous. And keep on with your compliments. Be more extravagant, not less extravagant.
SPEAKER 01 :
So outside of standing on a street corner with a John 316 sign, what are some good practical ways to make tangible Christlike contributions to our communities and families?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, one way is volunteering and things. There are people, many people that are listening to this right now. You still have vitality and youth and energy. You're healthy. and you're not bogged down with a nine-to-five job. There are children that can be tutored, and there are places where you can volunteer time, food services, things for the poor that you can do, and bring joy to it. If you do it joyfully, people will be attracted to you and through you to Christ. By ministering, I just mean minister the presence of Christ. and do it in every kind of way. Volunteer your church. Use the last energy that you've got more enthusiastically. Don't dole out your seconds. You don't know how many seconds you've got. Spend them wildly in the service of the King. Have joy.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, I think also that has something to do with our physical abilities. So when you stay active, I think that you have more energy and that you do enjoy life more, therefore giving us a little more joy. And, you know, when we say ministry, that does kind of have a stigma to it. But I think that could be as easy as, you know, just like you said, the youth are drawn to you. If you're out somewhere, I don't know, if you're skiing, if you're out golfing, whatever you might be doing, and you just have a joyful demeanor about you, people are drawn to that. And I think that could even bring up the question, how are you so joyful, right? And that's a good cue to say, well... Let me tell you about God.
SPEAKER 02 :
Sure, you're exactly right. People are drawn to people that are joyful and happy. Look, I live in the real world. As you get older, stuff that didn't hurt, hurts. And stuff that used to work, doesn't. And that's part of this whole process. But if you can laugh at it and go on, do what you can do and do it joyfully... Look, what I always say to people is when you're at a clinic or something and that nurse is coming towards you with a hypodermic, I suggest not being mean to her.
SPEAKER 01 :
That's good advice.
SPEAKER 02 :
Treat her with a smile and maybe she'll treat you with a smile.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, what did give you the inspiration to write this book? I love the last part of the title where, Die Young as Old as Possible.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I hear people all the time say, oh, he died so young. I want to, when I die, if it's 87 or 97 or 107, I want people to say he seemed young right to the end. He seemed young. vital and joyful and fun and funny right up to the end of things, but I want that to be as old as possible. I want to die young. I want to die joyful and laughing. I'd like to be enjoying my life right to the end of my last breath before I go into heaven.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right. And I think part of that is having the relationship you have with God. He's hilarious. I have some of the funniest conversations with them, you know, and he's not old and he's not grumpy. And I think some people may have grown up in a church and were taught that and really didn't get to know the funny side of him. What do you say about that?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, I agree with that. And I think a lot of people as they age, A sin overtakes them that they did not struggle with that much when they were younger, and it's self-pity. And they begin to feel sorry for themselves, and they inflict that on other people around them, and they want God to get down and wallow in it with them. They want a God who says, poor baby, you're old and you've got arthritis. Instead, they have to understand that God is saying... that he wants us to have the joy unspeakable and full of glory right to the end, right in our whole lives. It doesn't mean that I don't have arthritis. It doesn't mean I'm not aging. It doesn't mean any of those things. It means that I cannot allow them to steal my joy. The Bible says the joy of the Lord is our strength. If we take that seriously, which we must, then anything that steals my joy steals my strength. And it's therefore the enemy of God in my life.
SPEAKER 01 :
And I think, too, the more active we are, whether we have aches and pains or not, those actually seem to be less because you're moving around. Your mind is not focused on the pain or whatever ailment you're going through. And I think just that in itself puts a pep in your step, don't you?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, exactly. Stay active, stay moving, stay laughing. That's the reason this book comes with one double-your-money-back guarantee. If you don't laugh even once reading this book, we'll double your money back, and the checks go in the mail the day after the rapture. If you're home to get yours, that tells you something.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right. That's true. That is so true.
SPEAKER 02 :
The book really is not just... self-help advice. It actually is to say, here's something funny. Laugh at this. Some of the funniest things in the world have happened in church. I've been a minister for more than 50 years, and I've seen some outrageously funny things happen in church. And I tell about a funeral in this book. If you can read that story and not laugh, I defy it. It's one of the funniest things that happened to me in my whole life, and it was the first funeral that I ever preached when I was 22 years old.
SPEAKER 01 :
We're visiting with Dr. Mark Rutland, and we've been talking about his new book titled Keep On Keeping On, How to Die Young as Old as Possible. Dr. Rutland, where can our listeners go to learn more about your ministry? Because you do so much more than what we've even touched on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you. They can go to Global Servants, which is the ministry my wife and I founded 40 years ago, learn about our girls' homes in Southeast Asia and West Africa, and the National Institute of Christian Leadership, which I teach. Or they can go to DrMarkRutland.com. But the most comprehensive look will be at Global Servants.
SPEAKER 01 :
And where can they get this witty book of yours?
SPEAKER 02 :
They can get that wherever they buy excellent books. of course, at Amazon and also at Global Servants and Dr. Mark Rutland. And I hope that they will and that they will inflict the book on some of their friends as well.
SPEAKER 01 :
And I encourage all of our listeners to go out and get this book and just start putting some more joy in your life. Dr. Rutland, thank you so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you. It's been a joy to be with you.
Tim and Joy Downs have co-authored two books on conflict resolution in marriage: Fight Fair and One of Us Must be Crazy and I’m Pretty Sure It’s You. Tim is also a corporate speaker, communication trainer, and co-host of the weekly Communication Guys podcast, which can be heard on Spotify & Apple Podcasts. The Downs are graduates of Indiana University, where Joy received a degree in Journalism and Tim received a degree in Fine Arts. The Downs have three grown children.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, it's Mike Treen with Crawford Media Group and 670 KLTT. Today I'm joined by Tim and Joy Downs. We're talking about A Weekend to Remember coming to the Colorado area. And Tim and Joy, thanks for taking the time with us.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, you're welcome. It's our privilege.
SPEAKER 03 :
Glad to be with you. So we have A Weekend to Remember coming to the Broadmoor, Colorado Springs area. Within our KLTT listening audience, a ton of people down in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, up to the Denver area that would love to go. It's February 28th through March 2nd. And I want to start. Tim and Joy, give us a little info on you two and the work you've done with Family Life and outside of Family Life, too, if it's relevant.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, it's been our privilege to speak at Weekend to Remember Getaways for 40 years now. We like to tell people we started when we were just children, but that's not exactly true.
SPEAKER 02 :
It's pretty close.
SPEAKER 01 :
But it's a wonderful group. It's grown exponentially over the years. Now more than a million and a half couples have attended the Weekend to Remember Getaway. So we now have conferences we do in 75 locations all over the United States. Amazing.
SPEAKER 02 :
We're often paired with, or most of the time paired with, another couple. And so we're kind of the oldies. for the most part. And we're often paired with a younger couple. So we kind of do the spectrum of marriage. So that's kind of fun. That's fun for us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tim and Joy, if someone hasn't been to a weekend, remember, what's that like? What's the experience like for the person that's a first time attendee?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I think it's a surprise for people to realize these conferences are large. These are not just small group get-togethers. In fact, the conference at the Broadmoor will have more than 1,000 people attending. And the beauty of that is you can get lost there. You can make the weekend about just the two of you. You're not meeting in a small group with other couples. You get a chance to just make the weekend about yourself. So it's always a nice hotel. There is no nicer hotel than the Broadmoor. I would say anywhere in the United States is our favorite property. And the conference itself is excellent. The material is wonderful. We've been doing these conferences, Family Life has, for close to 50 years. And it's fine-tuned, and it's an outstanding experience.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. They keep updating the material. They add more videos and clips and graphics and things. So that makes it fun and up-to-date, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Joy, what would you say is a very compelling reason Perhaps something that people have even told you, hey, I really came because this happened in my life or this happened in my marriage.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I think people come for all different reasons. We've had couples come and they say this is our last-ditch effort. If we don't get help here, you know, we're done. We have the divorce papers drawn up. And by the end of the weekend, they come back to us and say we have hope. We see what we've been doing wrong, and this is a starting point for us to change. And then we have other couples that have been married just for a month, and they're deeply in love, and they want to just invest in their marriage. And we feel like it's just a wonderful reason to come and get away, because in marriage we do nothing. We tell this in our conference, but we drift toward isolation. You know, the distractions that we have, The busyness that we have, whether we have children or they're grown, we have grandkids, work, all those things take us away from each other. And so we say, if you're not working toward actively building into your marriage, you're going to drift toward isolation. But you can come together and you can have that connection. And we call that oneness again. And it just gives couples a chance to look at each other. To actually, you know, take down their screens, talk to each other and say, you know, who are you and what's important to you? And it really helps couples get on the same page again.
SPEAKER 03 :
We're speaking with Tim and Joy Downs. We're talking about Family Life's Weekend to Remember. That's coming to the Broadmoor, Colorado Springs. February 28th through March 2nd. And as Tim said, it's a beautiful place. If you've never been to the Broadmoor, it is such a great place to get away with your spouse and have a chance to have a weekend to remember. And Tim, I'm going to ask you, what are some of the things that our listeners can expect to hear at a weekend to remember?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, we try to cover the gamut. We talk about the nature of marriage, as Joy was saying, about the fact that it's something you need to work at if you want an excellent marriage. It's a strange thing, Mike, but we expect to have to work to advance our careers or education or to stay physically fit, but we don't expect to have to work on marriage. But if you want an outstanding marriage, it does require some work. So we'll talk about the nature of marriage, and we also talk about a simple game plan for achieving oneness. We talk about improving your communication skills. We talk about how to resolve conflict, how to fight fair. We talk about improving sexual intimacy in marriage. So, boy, we cover a range of topics over the weekend. And I think an important thing to say, Mike, is it isn't just about speakers talking to the audience. We carve out a lot of time for the couples to be able to get together and talk just to each other here. And that's why we like to call it a weekend remember getaway. It's a romantic getaway.
SPEAKER 03 :
Joy, do you think a lot of times it's hard for couples to actually sit down and talk and have that time together?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. Yes. I mean, Tim and I have that trouble, too. I just think, you know, whatever stresses you have coming into your marriage, you could have a good marriage, but you could have other stressors come in or whatever. you know, children that are going astray, you know, just all kinds of different problems. And so it's hard to carve out the time, first of all, to talk and then just to know even how to begin to talk, which is really helpful to go to Weekend to Remember because we give you some things to talk about. We give you kind of springboards of projects to do and to talk about the things that we've just been mentioning in the session, you know, whether it be about conflict or whether it be about communication and so you don't have to just sit there like bumps on a log and think i don't even know how to start this we give you kind of prompts to help you uh talk about the things that are hard yeah and the websites weekend to remember i want to mention that a couple different times in this interview pretty simple weekend to remember.com there's a special hundred dollar off um
SPEAKER 03 :
Discount for KLTT listeners. Use that code getaway. So like a getaway, getaway to save $100 off the regular price for a couple's registration, which is pretty fabulous, right? It is.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's a good deal. And again, for a fabulous getaway at an outstanding hotel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it's so pretty down there. And Joy, you talked about some of this already. What if somebody's already attended a Weekend to Remember event?
SPEAKER 02 :
spouse uh two spouses and and they look at each other and say ah you know we've already been to a couple what do you say to that person yeah well we do have people that come back and what they tell us is you know the material sounds so different because we're at a different point in our marriage or we have different things going on in our marriage and they will probably have different speakers at the weekend to remember that they attend because We try to switch up the speakers. There are 50 different speaker couples that travel all around the country. And so it's likely that if you came to one getaway, you will hear different speakers at another getaway. And we all kind of just make the material our own. We tell our own illustrations and stories. And so you will hear a pretty different conference. The material, the outline is much the same, but, um, Our stories and everything are different, and it will hit you differently compared to the conference that you attended before.
SPEAKER 01 :
And we've had couples tell us they come every year on their anniversary just to use it as a kind of a tune-up. So apparently it does sound different each time, just like Joyce said. Yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think you hit on it. It's a different season. And as you go through these seasons, those questions hit a little differently or the things you need to talk about. Right. So do you find yourself ministering that weekend to remember sometimes?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that's our hope in whatever form that takes. We hope that we're an encouragement. And hope is the big word there. We really want to give couples hope. We do believe that there is hope because God can be with us and show us things about ourselves and things about our spouse or about our children that we might not normally see. and we can have the hope that he's with us. And a lot of couples come away thinking, I didn't know that before, or I had forgotten about that, and now we know we have God's power. So what else would you say, honey?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, we would say God has given us a very simple and very profound game plan to make marriage work. We think God invented marriage, so his original design is the most effective one there's ever been. We try to tell people that we are all inherently spiritual beings. And sometimes the problem is we're trying to conduct a marriage, leaving the spiritual dimension out. And once you wake up to that, you suddenly realize, like Joy was saying, you've got another power source that really will help to work towards the oneness that we all want.
SPEAKER 03 :
We're speaking with Tim and Joy Downs, and we're talking about the Weekend to Remember. Sorry, Joy. Walked on you there. It's at the Broadmoor. Beautiful place. We've talked about that. Tim and Joy have been there, so they know. February 28th through March 2nd, Tim and Joy will be speaking there, and the website is weekendtoremember.com. Use the code GETAWAY to save $100 off the regular price for a couple's registration. And Tim and Joy, we have just enough time, I think, to talk about each of you giving your favorite part of Weekend to Remember.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think my favorite part of it is simply looking out at a thousand people in the audience, just sitting two by two, nudging each other, laughing together and talking when we give them a project or give them a break to see people interacting. working through something that they needed to talk about, and just enjoying the beauty of the area and the chance to get away. That's why we keep using that word. Mike, that's why the coupon code is getaway, because the secret is when are you going to do this on your own at home with the distraction of life? Come and get together with us and get away and just have a wonderful, romantic weekend.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Uh, for me, I would think, I think, uh, Mike, that just looking out into the audience and there are many children represented with these couples as well. And so to see those couples unite again and think their legacy could be changed. And often we hear about that at the end of the conference, that they are going to make God at the center of their marriage and their family. And so we know that legacies can be changed and children can have parents that stay together. And they all see a model of marriage that they can have in their own marriage. And so that's exciting for us. We hear about that at the end of the weekend. And so that motivates us each time. And I will say, too, we're speaking with another couple, the Perrys, Mike and Wendy. And you will love them if you come. They're a great couple and so much fun to hear.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Tim and Joy, we're blessed to know that you two are involved here. for a long time with Weekend to Remember that you've been sowing into these husbands and wives, you know, these families, really, to the kids, have generational, really generational communication improved and different things in the marriage that are now going to be imparted on kids. And some of the kids that you guys have talked to the parents, well, now the kids are learning from Weekend to Remember. So pretty amazing stuff. Yeah, it's weekend to remember dot com. Easy website to get to. The dates are February 28th through March 2nd at the Broadmoor. Use the code getaway to save one hundred dollars off a regular price couples registration. So family life is graciously agreed to that discount that gives you one hundred bucks off. That's a lot. And Tim and Joy, we can't wait to hear what couples tell us after they come.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, well, thanks.
SPEAKER 01 :
We can't wait to be there to see the Broadmoor again and to see all the outstanding people that we'll have in the audience.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. We always love to meet the couples and talk with them. It's a great, great conference, and we love it. Love to be there at the getaway.
SPEAKER 03 :
So good. Well, KLTT listeners, you make sure and hunt down Tim and Joy and tell them you heard it on KLTT and perhaps I'll even hear about your stories. So Tim and Joy, thanks so much. WeekendtoRemember.com and February 20th to March 2nd. Be there.
SPEAKER 02 :
Great. Thank you, Mike.
Liz Franzel talks with George Whitten from Worthy News, and Travis Pander from Crawford Media Group about the Worthy Christian News service. George leads news reporters around the world to ensure that Christian news is reported factually and quickly. Travis has recently started sharing those news stories on the KLTT website, and talks about how great it is, making our listeners aware that their ministry can use this great service for FREE, too!
This is Liz Franzell with Crawford Media Group and today I'm joined by Travis Pander, Director of Digital Media here at Crawford and George Witten, founder and director of a Christian news outlet called "Worthy News". We'll be talking about how important it is to get news that brings truth and how worthy news is instrumental in doing that. Welcome to our program George. Hey thank you for having me. Can't wait. George tell us a little bit about yourself and why you started "Worthy News". Well first off I basically started "Worthy News" because I wanted to inform the watchman about what's happened in the world. So "Worthy News" was found on this idea watching "Worthy" therefore I'm pray always to meet down worthy to escape these things. So you know the first person that's "watch". An ancient Hebrew word for "watch" was the word "notes" "shrie" and it happens to be the modern Hebrew word for "Christian". So the idea of "Worthy News" was actually to equip believers to be watchmen to pray through the events that are significant and hence worthy. So we cover what's happened around the world, what's happened in Israel, what's happened in the United States, what's happened in believers. And we try to make it like a condensed prayer point by point. And then on top of that I've been a pastor for 25 years and so every day that I send out a worthy brief that covers the news also send out a daily devotion. So I cover really, I try to give believers really not just milk but really a lot of meat to really you know get them prepared for the coming of the work that they maybe found worthy to escape these things. So that's the whole the whole understanding of where the news how it got started and why we do what we do. So what type of news do you report? Is it national, international, local? Everything. We cover the world, we cover. So right now we have journalists and truth and food at best room and then we have journalists in the US. So we cover what's happening around the world, we cover what's happening in Israel in great detail what's happening in the United States. And then obviously what's happened in believers because this is probably going to be the most unique time you know for the Lord to work. Forget that we're going to see so many things happen that are going to be mind-boggling and I just want believers to really understand everything that's happening. Yeah, Travis you post where they news on our KLTT and KLZ websites. What are the results that you've seen since you've been doing this? Yeah so getting content for any website is a challenge and especially for ministries and things like that and that's why what George does is so important. We've been able to pull his feet under our website so Christians can see what's going on around the world. And it's getting a lot of attention, people are coming to the site and reading the news and they're also finding George through that as well which is great because it has so many good resources outside of the news in addition to that. So getting great results, people love it, we get emails every day about the content that we post from Worthy. George, you bring truth. We know mainstream media, let's just say we don't always hear what's really going on. Right. So what are some of the things that you're seeing out there? Let's talk a little bit about God, should you you mentioned we've got a whole new era coming up I think happening tomorrow. And things going, a lot of things going on in Israel. What would you like to talk about? That's a broad subject. We could talk about all kinds of things. So the understanding of where the news was, when we first started Worthy News, it was much like a throat report. We used to link to different services. And then right around 2016, obviously we started getting more of an indication that the news really isn't as truthful as it appears to be. And it really, you almost saw an agenda, a narrative being spoken of through the news instead of just facts. And so right around that time, I just felt the words speaking to me, we just need to become our own news agency. So that's when we started hiring writers. Now we have journalists and truth and food to pest from throughout the United States. And now the other thing was I wanted to, you know, we have a very simple thing in, in, where the news, we don't run any ads. We're just completely faith-based, you know, I have a very similar saying if it's God's will, it's God's will. And God's will is for his people to be informed with truth. And you know, I'm not allowed to lie. It's kind of a creed, you know, that's not that lie. Somehow or the media doesn't understand this. But you know, the first thing that the word said about the last days in Matthew 24, the very first thing he said was, "Take heed that no man deceive you." That we're surrounded by liars. So it shouldn't be such a crazy thing that the media is trying to lie to us all the time. They're just proven the words of Jesus true. That's all that's taken place. But at the same time we as believers, we have to be properly informed about what's happening. Why things are significant? For example, we just did a spray today of Israel striking a site in Syria. And Israel doesn't comment on these sites, but the Syrian news agency goes ahead and details it. Well, the town that they hit was only six miles south of Damascus. And why is it so significant? Well, the town is a place where what's called the 12th or so go? For a retreat. It's actually a place that Shiite Muslims go to get healing. And this is the town that was struck today. So we didn't just cover the fact that Israel hit the town of Damascus. We've covered the entire significant spiritual significance of it. Because without understanding the spiritual word that's before we played out, how can we properly pray into the events that can play? And so the idea of worthy news was really not just to give you news, give you the background of the spiritual word that's taken place. And it's in much more detail that you'll never find on another. You won't find that aspect. What do you think they are AP or Reuters or anything else? So that's worthy news. Yeah, it's just to equip believers. And I think if people responded that, I think we all see that lying in the media. And I think that's why it was so neat for me to find that and want to pull it into KLTT and KLZ. It's truth. And the truth is so strange when we're surrounded by drug reports and ABC news and fact checks and even White House transcriptions that come out edited. So I think that's why it's so refreshing to see worthy news telling facts. That's what it is. I used to love drug reported. It used to be the only place I'd go in the 90s and early 2000s. And you can track Matt Judges descent into the mainstream media. It was sad. Right. Well, I have a feeling that he actually sold each probably under NDA and can't reveal that it sold. I think that's what's happened. I don't know. I don't think he actually runs anymore. I think he probably got a payday and said, you know what? I can retire for a long time. That's my feeling on that. But you know, it is what it is. I can go on for hours about drug report. So we'll spare you. So George, you actually have reporters out in the field. Oh, yeah. Well, so the great thing about what's happening is so my reporters are actually international. So the lady that's in the room actually was part of my church in Israel. And she actually came to visit. She was a reader worthy. She just got in shape. She started getting her devotions. She didn't even know how she was getting them. She goes ahead and has family and is her mom is Israeli. She comes over to Israel for a wedding and she you know comes to the service because I love this. I love this brand new believer. We've been cycled for six years right next to her and she actually was a lawyer. She was a lawyer. She has her stepfather was British. So she spent time in Great Britain, Australia. She lives in Rome now. Where her mom is. She speaks multiple languages. And so she's our reporter on the ground in Rome. Our reporter in Budapest actually comes from a Dutch background. His father has been a long time reader. He gets our daily devotions and he speaks like you know, German. He lives in Hungary now. You know, he speaks Dutch. He speaks English. And so I have these writers that have been doing what they've been doing for a long, long time, but now they're international. So you know, if there's something that happens in a German newspaper, you know, I have reporters actually can read what they're saying. And actually because what literally happens is in translation, we lose with the stories really all about. For example, last week we did this story on Christopher Fobia. Christian Fobia. I don't I mean, I came and say the word you know, it's like Islamophobia, but what happens to believers? And we covered in detail, you know, the churches that are being burned all over Europe, the things are happening that these Muslims that are immigrating to, you know, most people don't realize Germany 22% of Syrians live in Germany now. I mean, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. One in 20, I'm sorry, I said that wrong. One in 20 Syrians live in Germany now. That that's how many Syrians have immigrated to Germany. And Germany has this massive looks like we look at immigration problem here in the US. We say, what in the world is going on here? How these, all these people going? And what's happened is that you see this mass influx coming into areas and they're literally changing the demographics of France, of Germany. And what's really kind of bizarre, I don't want to say this in negative because I'm afraid that people won't have me come and speak. But what's happened since I've been redeployed to the states and I'll say that in a very, I don't have time to explain this story, but since this happened, I was one week after George Floyd in Minneapolis. I was in the middle of the Chasen Chattarides in Seattle. I was in the middle of the Portland riots. I was going to go speak at John the Con's congregation on the day that they had the earthquake in Jersey. I was driving. I had to leave Florida because of Hurricane. I had to drive back to my where my parents live in Baltimore. And that's the day the bottom of Bridge was hit. I scheduled to speak last week. I spoke the last week in Florida and Bradenton five days after the hurricane. So the Lord has I cannot even begin to tell you, I do not book more than a week or two out in advance. I do not book means God, where things means God or things. The vine appointment is for me to preach revival. And in doing so, he leads me to where news things happen. I was doing a revival in Indiana literally an hour and a half away from Springfield, Ohio. When that whole thing went down with they ate the dogs. I was an hour to have I actually was able to go there. And the first thing I go to any location, you get loose and grab I talk to the passers. I mean passers to pass, I can talk to passers about what they're seeing on the ground. And some of the details I'm getting are like, are you getting me? How does not be reported? Yeah, there's no voice for us. There's no voice for us. And so that's where we step in. We are the voice for the believers that are being censored on Facebook for the believers that are censored on Twitter or sorry X, formerly known as Twitter. And so that's what where the news does. We are just as voice for the censored really. And at the same time we're censored. I think what you're doing is responding to the nothing to see here scenario with mainstream media. You're saying, oh look. Yeah. And I think you're also showing us what journalism looks like, right? We got caught in the digital age and everybody wants to hit a button and have their story right itself. But you're going out into the field and doing journalism the way we did it. The beginning days of our Republic, you know. What was really crazy? I mean, just to give you a heads up. So, Hungary's right next to Ukraine. So when the whole war broke out, my journalist was going to the NGOs that were serving in Ukraine to get the insight where it was happening to Ukraine. So we were, you know, when you talk about hands on the field, it wasn't just here, you know, you know, I lived in Jerusalem where I lived in Israel for 20 years. I lived in Jerusalem for a short while. I have a town outside the Dead Sea. And you know, when everything is happening, I have contacts on the ground. They can go ahead and tell me what's actually happening. And so this is like, this is a different dynamic because, and since we've been doing more than this in society, 99, I literally have passed her contacts all over the world. And so when something happens, you know, say Nigeria or whatever, I can have pastors that go ahead and send me an email. I actually just had a pastor send me an email that I misspelled something wrong. Because I had a church, had a pastor in Nigeria until we have a phone or a rock. We're visiting with George Witten, founder and director of Worthy News and Travis Pander, director of digital media here at Crawford. And we've been talking about his Christian news outlet called Worthy News. George, tell our listeners where they can go to find out about your news. I'll just go to WorthyNews.com, but you know what you can do now is you can go right to your own radio station. That's right. Now you run our syndicated news on the radio station. So, hey listen, we're glad to provide it. We just want to be a beacon of truth in the crazy world that we live in. And if there's any other chance that you want to see what else he's got, shoot us an email. We're happy to respond to that. He's got so many products. There's no way we could put all those on the website. But I do encourage you to go to kalesyradio.com or 670kltt.com right on the front page or all of the headlines and almost all of those come from George and WorthyNews. And you will love the reporting. There's the synced stories. They're well written and you know they're coming from the source, which is so important right now. George, thank you so much for joining us today. Hey, thank you so much for having me. Thanks, George. Cheers. [MUSIC]
