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Join Barbara Carmack on Call to Freedom as she navigates the beautiful complexity of love, purpose, and identity. From the snowy landscapes of winter to the warmth of divine teachings, Barbara takes listeners through a profound journey inspired by scripture. She passionately articulates the importance of love, not only as a personal attribute but as a divine command that enriches lives and communities alike. This episode is a spiritual guide to understanding our roles as vessels of God's love, emphasizing how our unique identities and vocations align with divine purpose. Through heartwarming narratives and biblical references, Barbara inspires her audience to embrace love as the foundation for living without fear, encouraging an intimate relationship with the divine. With love as the central theme, this episode is a beacon for those seeking to deepen their spiritual journey.
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Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I'm delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let's join Barbara in the studio.
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Welcome to Call to Freedom. It's such a joy to have you join me today. And after the snow that we got, I'm sure that some of you got snow also. And I know that Kansas got snow on Sunday, so it's winter, folks. It's winter. So I'm glad you're tuned in to Call to Freedom. I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ. That's from Ephesians 3, 17 and 18. Oh, love those verses, don't you? The whole book of Ephesians is about God building up the church in his love, and I love that. reading that book over and over again. I remember one time we delivered a piano, a grand piano to Lamar, Colorado. And so I went with John because it was a long trip. and we were in the truck, and I read the book of Ephesians to him, and we talked and discussed the whole book. So I will always remember that time in reading the whole book of Ephesians to my wonderful husband, John Wells. Praise God. You are blessed to dispense, for in him you live and move and have your being. And if you'd like to listen to previous radio programs, you can go to freedomstreet.org, one word lowercase. And you can also give donations online at and just hit that little Donate button on the homepage of Freedom Street. And I send receipts out every month because, you know, some of you precious people may be given an offering once a year, and I want to make sure that you get it, so that's why I do it once a month. And some of you precious people, I call you power partners, and you are giving to Call to Freedom every month. God bless you. I love that. And it's a wonderful thing to know that people are covering you not only in prayer, but also in giving. Oh, that's wonderful. Meeting. The meeting is this Saturday, the Lord willing. I know we've had some months that we've had to cancel because of the snow, but I'm praying that it will be good. January the 11th, this Saturday. And the Lord is just inviting us to leave all of the past behind and come singing songs of praise to the Father. And we're going to have Bible study that will really bless our hearts and keep us motivated to serve Jesus this year. And if you'd like to stay for lunch, I'll be fixing my cowboy stew. And it's really good. Carrots and potatoes. chunks of meat and oh it's just a super stew and if you'd like to bring a side dish and your name begins with a through m bring a salad or finger food and if your name begins with n through z bring a dessert and we'll start the new year with fellowship and a really good time together call me for reservations at 1-877-917-7256 god bless you And it's it's just always I love coming to the radio station. I really do. It's just a blessing for me every day. And it's it's I hope you're enjoying. I hope you're enjoying the word of God that Holy Spirit gives me every day to say on the air because he is my messenger and he's my teacher. And he's the one that tells me what to write. So when I'm in the office just typing away, he's actually telling me what to type. I don't know how he does it. Oh, but he's wonderful. Our verse for this week is from the Message Translation, Genesis 17, 1 and 2. When Abram, remember he wasn't Abraham till later here. When Abram was 99 years old, God showed up and said to him, I am the strong God. Live entirely before me. Live to the hilt. I'll make a covenant between us and I'll give you a huge family. And wow, did he give Abraham a huge family. And we're part of that, friend. We're part of that. And from the Passion Translation, Genesis 17, 1 and 2, when Abram was 99 years old, Yahweh appeared to him again and said, I am. Remember the I am that I am in Exodus 3 is just so important for us to imagine. I am the same yesterday, today, and forever. I am the God who is more than enough, El Shaddai. live your life in the present and be blameless. I will confirm my covenant between me and you, and I will greatly multiply your descendants. I know right before our program, I'm going to be reading a verse from Mark 12 for Tim Tebow, his devotion. And I'm I'm just kind of enjoying reading some of the pages of Tim Tebow's devotion called Mission Possible. And right before the program today, Tony Perkins was talking about Deuteronomy 6, 4, Shema. And that was the Jewish's most important verse of scripture in the Old Testament, to love the Lord, their God, with all their heart, with all their soul, and with all their might. And then Jesus brought it into the New Testament. And Tim Tebow quoted it from Mark 12, 30 and 31. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. No other commandments in the whole word of God. To love the Lord your God with all your heart. And I'm going to be reading about he first loved you. So that love, that wonderful source of love came from your heavenly father. And Tim Tebow goes on to say the dictionary defines purpose as the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc., Purpose is a word that is often thrown around in Christian churches, goes right along with assignment in life. But when it comes to defining what our purpose is as human beings on earth, the answer can be confusing. Does it have to do with a vocation? Is it related to an inborn skill? Or is it a dream that has been burned into our hearts ever since we can remember? And I believe I've told you that when I was four years old, I was put up on a platform in church and And I sang away in the manger. So I've known how to sing from the time I was a little baby. And I know Dana and Kimberly were singing with us when we went full time into singing across the United States. Dana was two years old. So Dana has had this purpose of being a person who is joining herself with others. She's so much of a people person now. And she's saying for so many years, I know that the times change, the seasons change, but our dreams are burned into our hearts by Father God and Holy Spirit. When Darren wrote his book, Seven Steps to Inner Freedom, he laid out a simple explanation of what our purpose is on this earth. And he says here, so God laid this out in the spirit. And in a couple of days, I had it. This was Darren. He was asking God all these questions and he had it in a couple days. This teaching will set many of you free. You're trying to find your identity and your blueprint for life. And this teaching will help you do that. You may be asking, what is identity and what is my blueprint? Identity is who you are. and what you were created to be that's your identity god gave you a specific special identity all of you and it goes along with that gifting as you mature in the church And your blueprint, the blueprint is your vocation in life. Like, for instance, Rachel is a producer of a radio station, so that's her vocation. Who she is may be totally separate from what she does every day. I don't know, Rachel. Do you know? Well, now I'm all about my puppy. Okay. All right. And see, the seasons, we change with the seasons in our life. And so that's wonderful. I'm glad you're enjoying Meadow. Praise the Lord. And it's simple. Yes, you have a true identity and a blueprint for success. Tim Tebow goes on to say, one thing is certain. Oh, I love that. Oh, I love that. How can we do that? By taking to heart and putting into action the words of Jesus to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourself. Finding your purpose starts with knowing God through his son, Jesus Christ. It's also about loving your neighbor. Who is your neighbor? Everyone you come in contact with. is your neighbor everyday when you arm mixing in the crowds in the traffic in the grocery stores in your work and all those things everyone you see i'm coming uh... into that view of praying for everybody that i come across i'm praying for the trash man when they came by this morning i prayed for them i'm praying for the people whose who uh... cleared my driveway from the snow I am beginning to really focus and set my sights on the people every day that come into my world and improve my world. Just think if we didn't have trash and our trash just piled up and began to smell. Oh, my goodness. I know there have been strikes like in New York City and the trash just piled up. Oh, I couldn't handle that. Could you? So we've got to pray for those neighbors that help us and bless us. and finding purpose in God and through Jesus Christ by loving our neighbor. And before your mental and spiritual wheels start churning and searching for your individual purpose, begin to live out your macro purpose. How can I love God and others well this week? And the apostle John told us very specifically that God is love, and before we loved him, he loved us. And John is the one who wrote the book of John. Oh, beautiful, beautiful description and insight into knowing Jesus and the Father God as one. Also, he wrote 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, and also he wrote the book of Revelation. Yeah, he was busy. And in Revelation, he was alone on the Isle of Patmos. See, we've got seasons in our lives. John was very busy when he was an apostle and writing the books. Then they threw him into Patmos alone and deserted. He was exiled there by the Romans. And he wrote the book of Revelation because God gave him this beautiful vision about our time. Yes, our time soon. So 1 John 4, 9 through 19 tells us, this is how God showed his love for us. And I'm reading from the passage. Excuse me from the message translation. God sent his only son into the world so we might live through him. See, your salvation is all about Jesus. You may say, well, I went down to the altar or I went here to this conference and I came. I went up front and I found Jesus. But it was God showing you who Jesus was. It was God revealing Jesus Christ to you in your heart. This is the kind of love we're talking about, John goes on to say, not that we once upon a time loved God, but that he loved us and sent his son as a sacrifice to clear away our sins and the damage they've done to our relationship with God. Yes, our sins did damage. There was a wall between us, a wall of what King James calls love. The enmity, which was a division between God and us. We were so sinful. And God thought, I've got to do something. I've got to make a plan here so that when something happens, their behavior isn't going to mark them, isn't going to be their identity. So now we have an identity in Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord. Verse 11 of 1 John 4. My dear, dear friends, if God loved us like this, we certainly ought to love each other. No one has seen God ever. But if we love one another, God dwells deeply within us and his love becomes complete in us. Perfect love. You cannot know that friend with your relationships in this life. They aren't perfect. God's love, agape love is perfect. And you find that once you have accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. Verse 13 of 1 John 4 says, this is how we know we're living steadily and deeply in him. Yes, steadfast, steadfast every day, steadfast in him and he in us. He's given us life from his life, from his very own spirit. And it's Holy Spirit in you who goes into the very depths of God's mind every day for you. He's going every day to see what God has planned for you for that day. I love that. It's 1 Corinthians 2, the second chapter. It's about the 10th and 11th verses, how he goes into the very depths of God on your behalf. Also, we've seen for ourselves and continue to state openly that the Father sent his Son as Savior of the world. Everyone who confesses that Jesus is God's son participates continuously in an intimate relationship with God. I'm really in awe. I'm kind of in shock that whenever Donald Trump says anything about anything, a country, whatever it is, I mean, there is change. The other day when he was talking about Trudeau, who is the president of Canada, that he could be the governor and president. Canada will be the 51st state. Well, guess what? Trudeau, he retired. He's not going to be anymore the president of Canada. I'm thinking, wow, Lord, things happen so quickly. I mean, my mind is a spin with everything that's going on. And it's because Holy Spirit is working his work because of your prayers, because of all of our prayers that God would do something for the United States of America. Oh, and we've seen ourselves and continue to change and see our state, the state of where we are, our identity that is in the father. Everyone who confesses that Jesus is God's son participates continuously in an intimate relationship with God. We know it so well. We've embraced it heart and soul. This love that comes from God. God is love. When we take a permanent residence in a life of love, we live in God and God lives in us. This way, love has the run of the house, becomes at home and mature in us so that we're free of worry on judgment day. That's right. If God called us tomorrow, we're free of that fear of judgment day. Because we're in Jesus Christ. We're standing in the world and we're identical with Christ. There is no room in love for fear. Well-formed love banishes fear. Since fear is crippling and a fearful life, fear of death, fear of judgment is one not yet fully formed in love. See, one who is full of fear, full of condemnation, they're not fully formed in love. And we must pray for them that they will find that God of love. We, though, are going to love, love and be loved. First we were loved. Now we love. He first loved us. Praise the Lord. And John said something wonderful in John 21. In the 24th verse, this is the same disciple. See, John is describing himself. This is the same disciple who was eyewitness to all these things and wrote them down. And we all know that his eyewitness account is reliable and accurate. We can know that as we read the book of John, we read through Revelation, we read 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, that his account is reliable and accurate. He is a great editor. And there are so many other things Jesus did. If they were all written down, each of them one by one, I can't imagine a world big enough to hold such a library of books. That's what John says in John 21. And I think of those words in the third verse of this beautiful song. Nor could the scroll contain the whole, just like John was describing in John 21. Though stretched from sky to sky. A beautiful song here by Dallas Holm.
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The love of God is greater far than tongue or pen can ever tell. It goes beyond the highest star and reaches to the Bowed down with care God gave His Son to live His erring child He reconciled And pardoned from His sin Could we within the ocean feel And were the skies of parchment made Were every start on earth a thrill And every man described the train to write the love of God above. The train to ocean life. Nor could the scroll Fledged from sky to sky Oh love of God How rich and pure How measureless and strong It shall forevermore be. The saints and angels sing. O love of God, how rich and pure. And strong it shall forevermore be, the saints and angels sing.
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Oh, I love to just think of those words. Oh, could we with ink the ocean fill and were the skies of parchment made, were every stalk on earth a quill and every man a scribe by trade, to write the love of God above would drain the oceans dry. Just imagine, nor could the scroll contain the whole, though stretched from sky to sky. And forever and ever, the saints and the angels are going to, that's us, the saints and the angels are going to praise God forever and ever. Oh, if I were to speak with eloquence in earth's many languages and in the heavenly tongues of angels. Yet I didn't express myself with love. My words would be reduced to the hollow sound of nothing more than a clanging cymbal. And if I were to have the gift of prophecy with a profound understanding of God's hidden secrets, and if I possessed unending supernatural knowledge, and if I had the greatest gift of faith that could move mountains, but have never learned to love, then I am nothing." And if I were to be so generous as to give away everything I own to feed the poor and to offer my body to be burned as a martyr without the pure motive of love, I would gain nothing, nothing of value. Love is large and heavenly patient. Love is gentle and consistently kind to all. It refuses to be jealous when blessing comes to someone else. No envy or jealousy, please. Love does not brag about one's achievements nor inflate its own importance. Love does not traffic in shame and disrespect nor selfishly seek its own honor, never trying to outdo another. Oh, we see that so much. Competition in the church, in the actual church, in the congregation. Love is not easily irritated or quick to take offense. Love joyfully celebrates honesty and finds no delight in what is wrong. Love is a safe place of shelter for it never stops believing the best for others. Isn't that beautiful? It never stops believing the best for others. Love never takes failure as defeat for it never gives up. Love is not negative. If you think, you know what, I'm a negative person, then you can change. See, the God of love, the Holy Spirit within you is love. So you can change by making a decision. I'm no longer going to be negative. I'm going to think of the best things I can think about people. See, love never takes failure as defeat for it never gives up and it always believes the best for others. Perfect love. Love never stops loving. It extends beyond the gift of prophecy, which eventually fades away. It is more enduring than tongues, which will one day fall silent. Love remains long after words of knowledge are forgotten. Our present knowledge and our prophecies are but partial. But when love's perfection arrives, the partial will fade away. When I was a child, I spoke about childish things, childish matters. Oh, and when Holy Spirit is in you, there's only three things that remained, faith, hope, and love. yet love surpasses them all. So above all else, let love be the beautiful prize for which you run. Oh, you're running for a prize, my friend, and make love that wonderful goal that you're making. I know I was a negative person for so long, but I decided. God, I'm going to love people. I'm no longer going to be a negative person. And you know what? He's changing me. And he'll change you too, my friend. Oh, I love you. It's good being with you. Kimberly will be with me tomorrow. So I want you to know that you can take joy. Morning, noon, and night, take joy.
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Join us for an inspiring episode of Call to Freedom where spiritual and emotional wellness is at the forefront. Hosts Barbara Carmack and Darren dive into understanding how depression stems from deeper spiritual issues and share letters from listeners who offer testimonies of faith and resilience. The program sheds light on combating depression's root causes with spiritual introspection, prayer, and an unyielding trust in God's blessings. The episode offers steps to untangle the burdens that keep individuals from reaching their full spiritual potential. Through heartfelt conversation and prayer, listeners are encouraged to practice forgiveness and seek God's wisdom in navigating life's struggles. This episode is a reminder that spiritual freedom is attainable, and God's love is the key to unlocking it.
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Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I'm delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let's join Barbara in the studio.
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After thanking children who are sending in offerings to give to the orphans with Home of Refuge, I read a letter written by a wife who is concerned because her husband is depressed about his job. But Darren brings up the fact that depression is only a symptom of a deeper spiritual root. We bring up the areas of fear and pride and unforgiveness which may indicate depression. that maybe things aren't working out according to your plans, and you're allowing anger, fear, or unforgiveness to take over. As we discuss unforgiveness, Darren gives a solution to bring freedom into your heart and life. God's will is to bless you, but it's important that you get rid of the junk that's clogging up the communication lines between you and your Heavenly Father. Now let's join the program.
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You have a wonderful letter there in your hand, don't you?
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Yes, and I forgot to bring the letters of the Yost family. The children all sent letters, and they sent their Christmas money that they'd gotten for Christmas for the home of refuge, for the orphanage, for the children, and I forgot that this morning.
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They're over in Nebraska, aren't they?
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Yes, and thank you so much. I remember three of the children's names, Caitlin, Logan, and Coda, but I don't remember the other little boys, and they're so precious. We'll call them number four. Forgive me. No, no, no, not number four. Okay. And so we have a letter here from Shelby, and it's, Dear Darren and Barbara, how are you? I am fine. I'm writing you to thank you for the VeggieTales. I really like it. Thanks for your newsletter. Tell Barbara hi. I enjoy your program very much. I'm sending you $5. And Shelby, we're going to apply this $5 with the other, I think we got $46 from the Yost children. God bless you. We're going to give it to the Home of Refuge, and it's going to bless them.
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Where's Shelby from?
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Lyman.
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Lyman, Colorado.
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It's a wonderful little letter. And we just appreciate the letters from the children. That's wonderful. Praise God.
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We have a letter here that's really, I'm going to say it's a treasured letter because this lady is so gifted in explaining what's going on. But she said, may I ask for prayer help? I've never asked this before. It's difficult and I'm not even sure why. Okay. Oh, I got a phone call coming in. So I'm going to hold this letter because I want to treat this right. It's a great letter and it will strike the chord with so many of you that are, you know, in an employment change transition. And, you know, you may be looking at the wrong thing or why you're having problems. I think we can help this lady. Well, let's talk to Sean. Hello, Sean.
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Hello, Darren, Barbara, this is Sean Anselmo. I don't know if you remember my father.
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Oh, my goodness, yes.
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Steve Anselmo.
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I was talking about your dad a couple of days ago. As a matter of fact, a lady came to our meeting, and she said she talked to somebody on the phone who received a marvelous healing, and I said to Barb, that person talked to Anselmo.
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Yes, to Steve. We were talking about your dad just the other day, and I remember having dinner with you, and you were really young. How old are you, Sean?
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Well, I'm 31 now. Oh, my goodness.
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Tack that on.
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So how are you doing, Sean?
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I'm doing great. I just wanted to praise God for you. And welcome back to the airwaves. And it's great to hear your voice on the radio. It's only by chance that I even caught your program the other day. And I'm just praising God for your ministry. And I've entered the ministry myself.
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Praise God. Do you have a church?
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No, I just started a newsletter from our home, my family and I, and it's going to follow up with my dad's newsletter and his prison ministry.
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Good, good.
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Yeah, we're looking forward to seeing what God's got in store for us.
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Well, I'll tell you, your dad helped me out in Tulsa, Oklahoma one time, and I won't go into the whole story, but I'll tell you, he was there for me. And then he worked with me in Fort Collins for quite a while, and there's a wonderful anointing on your father and mother's lives.
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That's right. Amen. Praise God. I just want to thank you guys and encourage you. You're doing a great job, and I appreciate the words of God that he gives to you guys.
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Well, thank you, sir. Thank you, Sean. I hope you'll take time to give our office a call and leave your address.
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I would certainly do that.
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Okay, here's the number, Sean. Well, I guess if you can hang on, I'll just have our engineer take it. How would that be?
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Okay. Thank you very much.
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Sean, it's good to hear from you.
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Good to hear from you.
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You're married? You're married now?
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Yeah, married and three children.
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What's your little wife's name?
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Patricia and Elmo.
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Patricia. Wonderful. Well, we just bless you, Sean.
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Well, thank you.
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I know there's a wonderful anointing being passed down from your father, and that's good. Next time you see your dad, have him give us a call.
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Okay. Praise God.
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I will. God bless. God bless you. Okay. Wow.
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Calls from out of the past. Yes. Amen. That's just really.
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Well, I tell you, I watched Steve and he was a wonderful man for us on the prayer lines.
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He was a man of prayer. That's right. He was. He was a man of prayer.
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This letter goes on to say, I've never asked for prayer help before. I've never asked anyone. I don't know why. Maybe it's fear. Maybe it's pride. And maybe we think it shows weakness, but we haven't asked before. It goes on to say, my husband had been trying to break into a certain business, and I won't name that business, for a whole year. He had to leave another type of business, which is much different by the letter here. but it was driving him to great depression. He loves doing what he's doing now, but it's 100% commission, and he just can't seem to make it work. We're almost out of money, and he's become so depressed and despondent, I'm fearful we're going to lose everything. Is that what's going to happen to us? Pray that we will find suitable work soon. My husband has even looked back to his past job, and we've fasted and we've prayed, and we'll continue. And I guess I struggle with knowing what the Lord's will is here. If Jesus prayed about his father's will being done, shouldn't we also pray that way? Could it be that his will that we go through losing all that we have? Now, I'm going to stop right there. I don't believe it's God's will that you lose all that you have. But I do believe this, that God is trying to get down to a root cause. And I don't believe the depression came on this husband just because of this new work or because of a lack of sales income, commission income. And I believe God allows us to go through these things for us to face ourselves and say, well... It wasn't the old job. It's not the new job. It must be something wrong inside of me. And I went through a period of time like that when I had to face myself. And I thought it was the circumstances around me, my family, my work, my profession, my whatever. And I made somewhat of a massive change. And that's when I hit the wall and it was the best thing that ever happened to me because I had to face some things down inside of Darren and cry out for help. And some people prayed for me. And because of their prayer, that's the basis of this ministry and that's setting people free.
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Showing them how to get set free.
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Life is hard on us, and so we start building walls and we start putting layer upon layer. And I feel like this precious lady is just crying out, and I feel so much for her. We weren't given very many... details and I wish she would have written a little bit more about her family if her husband is born again if they go to a spiritual church if they have had counseling because I believe there's a curse going on in his husband's life I believe that there has been depression in his life before and I believe that if he is a melancholy at all that means if he has mood swings And I'm very aware of that and familiar with that because my life has been my previous life was made up of much mood swings. If something didn't work, I'd get very depressed. And if something did work, I'd be flying high as a kite.
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But let me tell you, that's not just for a melancholic personality.
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I'm a choleric personality. I've had that same thing. And mine came from fear and from anger. When I get frustrated. then what happens a lot of times is the chemical go goofy inside your body, and then the result of that many times is a chemically induced depression.
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Yes, but you're not prone to giving up. And there are some personalities that are absolutely prone to giving up. They hide in a corner, they sit in a corner, and they say, well, this is it, I'm just going to face the consequences. And you get up, when you get depressed, you get up and you go in another direction. I mean, you begin to do something to take care of that. Well, there are...
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Let me tell you why, though, Barbara. I absolutely hate to be depressed. I hate to be depressed and I hate to be sick. And I'll fight that with everything that's in me.
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That's because you're not a melancholy.
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Because I know that it pays no dividends. That's right. And you get in that spiral. And that spiral accelerates, and you go down, down, down, down, down. It gets worse, worse, worse, worse. It's like a person said to me, I think it was this, I don't know, last two or three days. He said, you know, even, well, I know who it was. Even if it didn't work, I'd still want to be a Christian. I mean, this is better than what the alternative is. And not exactly what they said, but... They said, no, I know what she said. She said, giving up is worse than hanging in there because the alternatives for what's going on. And she was saying, our lives are really tough right now. She's talking about she and her husband and their business. Things are really tough right now, but it's not as bad as giving up.
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That's right.
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You know, if you give up, I mean, that's just a horrible way to go. That's an option that I personally will not take.
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And I would say this lady who wrote this letter, I don't have your phone number. If you would call our office number, we would really like to get a hold of you. And our office number is area code 303-689-0499. And again, our office number is area code 303-689-0499. We would really like to talk with you because this is a very serious situation. And I believe that God and us and you have the answer. I truly do. There's wisdom and counsel in numbers.
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When you think about losing everything, there's obviously fear. There's frustration. There's going to be some anger. Oh, it piles up. You have to fight those at the root level, the spirit level. You have to command that spirit of fear to get out of your life, out of your household. The fear of losing everything. The fear of failure. The husband here is obviously facing a fear of failure, a fear of rejection, a fear of being labeled a loser, and I don't think he's a loser.
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No, no, I do not.
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I mean, I don't think that.
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I do not feel like he has found his blueprint in life. That's right. I truly... And so we would really like to talk to you and... You know, so many people do not have the right identity. Like you have said so many times and taught so many times, Darren, they are carrying a false passport in their billfold, and they do not even realize.
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Well, you know, in the high seas, the ship registers in a certain country. So if it's registered U.S., it's going to fly a U.S. flag. If it's Panama, it's going to fly that and whatever. Well, in the high seas, many times, you know, one of the big crimes on the high sea is to fly the wrong type of flag. And that's been done for hundreds of years. I mean, they've been doing that. But, you know, people also, and I had some wonderful people about 20, a little over 20 years ago, say to me, you're carrying false paperwork. You believed a lie. You believed what the devil has said about yourself. No wonder you're depressed. No wonder you're confused. No wonder you're going in circles. And you know those loving people sat me down. They talked to me for about an hour. Then they lovingly laid hands on me and they cast out a spirit of fear, a spirit of anger and some other things. They just plain said it has to go in the name of Jesus. Well, we have that power as Christians.
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That's right.
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And sometimes we are so balled up with our problems and we're so weighed down. It's almost like. You see a picture of a kitten playing with a ball of string. Pretty soon that string's around the leg and around their tail and around their body, around their head, around their paws, and they're just a mess. And if something doesn't come along there, they're going to get in a bigger mess. They're going to be all balled up, as we say. There are some people, Barbara, that are all balled up with all the things that are going on. And then the work doesn't go well, and then the bills start potting up, and this thing starts spiraling into a real mess.
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That's right. And this precious lady, I'd like to say that your prayer and fasting are effective, but your husband who is the covering, if he is not in agreement with you, it's going to just stretch out into a longer and a longer period. dilemma here and you need to talk with your husband get counseling be in a situation where you and your husband I have everything out on the table really truly get gut level honest and sometimes that hurts and but be in agreement and I want to say Jesus will for us Darren is perfect it really is not to take everything away that's right and in the Lord's Prayer I would encourage you to say the Lord's Prayer thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's will for you and your family is perfect in heaven, and his will for you on earth is the very best. It's not God that's taken it away. It may be the enemy that you have opened a door to allow him to come in to take it away.
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Well, you talked about the Lord prayer in Matthew six and you ought to read Matthew six because it talks about food and arraignment and shelter and all those things and how the birds don't worry about those things. And yet God provides. But the key is in Matthew 633 to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, meaning right standing before him. And all of these things previously listed will be added unto you. Now, let me let me talk about depression for just a minute. In our country, I don't know what the number is, but I'll bet you it's up in the billions of dollars a year spent with people trying to get rid of depression. If you try to take depression and treat it, you're missing the point because depression is a symptom of something deeper.
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That's right.
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We talked about some of those root causes being anger and fear and frustration. And, you know, sometimes when you get you want to run, you know, you get depressed. Maybe too many bills and the job isn't going right. Your career has come to an end and you're trying to change careers and locations and all this kind of stuff and you're not getting it figured out. And the bills keep piling up and the money, if you had any to start with, is quickly going out the door. Well, I'm telling you folks, unless you address the root cause, in other words, what caused the depression? Depression is not a root cause. It's a symptom of something deeper.
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That's right. Anger, jealousy, the frustration that we have at the very beginning that something isn't working out according to how we want it to work out. Sometimes frustration sets in, then jealousy because everybody else around us is doing so well and we're struggling.
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Or we think they're doing well.
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That's right. And then anger sets in. And then on top of the anger is unforgiveness. Unforgiveness comes in, Darren, and we get hateful. And we are unforgiving towards ourselves because we have messed up our life and our family is suffering. We have unforgiveness towards that person or that company that we're working for. And we have unforgiveness towards God. And Darren, some people say, how can you have unforgiveness against God because he didn't do anything? That's absolutely true. But sometimes we we make God unforgivable.
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the scapegoat and we say god you can change this god why aren't you changing this and we get angry with god and unforgiving well and we charge him wrongly we say you're the heavyweight here you're the reason i'm having all these problems but he's not no it's it's the enemy the devil now let us give you this triangle of forgiveness again all right number one let's say in the case of this gentleman here that's talked about in this letter this husband here probably he needs to forgive the old company he worked for because he got to where he couldn't stand it. So there must be some people there, some circumstances there that he needs to forgive. Some of you today have been listening to a lot of television. You're listening to Y2K. You're listening to the Senate hearings. You're on and on. You're saying, man, this thing's out of control. Well, you might need to forgive the president. You might need to forgive, you know, the people that are quote, unquote, in charge of the economy, you might need to forgive the Russian government for screwing up their economy or the Brazilians, which was on the air yesterday, and that's affecting us Americans here. What I'm getting at is whoever you resent out there, you need to forgive, number one, and number two, you need to release them totally. And you do that by saying, it's an act of my will, and God will help you do this. As an act of my will, I choose to forgive and release the president, the Congress, the Pentagon, whoever you're unhappy with, with the forgiveness of Jesus. Let that forgiveness of Jesus flow through your heart and through your mouth by an act of your will. Then number two, as you talked about a while ago, some of you say, you know, I am an absolute failure here. I'm just not a good person. I'm just unworthy. I'm just always messing up. I just didn't work hard enough. I didn't prepare well enough. Because of my failures, my family's in a mess.
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That's right.
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Well, you need to forgive yourself as an act of your will. You can say it like this. As an act of my will, I choose to forgive and release myself. With the forgiveness and release of Jesus Christ, you need to judge yourself innocent and stop putting yourself down. Number three, then you need to forgive and release God by an act of your will with forgiveness of Jesus. And we tell you, you learn to do that. That's such a wonderful thing that was given to me by those people that prayed for me.
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Praise the Lord.
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Praise God for that.
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And when we first do that sometimes, Darren, we do need a counselor who is giving us this prayer. Just a little while ago, we prayed with a man and he willingly forgave everyone that had hurt him. And Darren, as he lifted all that up and forgave and released and forgave and released, the very next day, an absolutely tremendous breakthrough came to him because he gave it up. He gave up all of that offense. And I'll tell you, that really hurts us when we are offended and we keep it inside and it becomes broiling and it's like a pressure cooker. We cannot handle that. And so that's why I'm saying if you, the one that we're talking about, you know who you are, if you would like to have prayer and have Darren pray for you, it's our office number. Get in touch with us at the office number if you can't call us here. And it's 689-0499, area code 303-689-0499.
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And now let me talk about this matter of this forgiveness thing. A lot of us look for a feeling. Well, I don't feel like forgiving them or I don't feel like forgiving myself or I'm not in the mood. Let me tell you, if you will do what we just suggested, do it mechanically, the feelings will come. But you've got to take care of the legal issues first and the vital issues, these conditions of the heart. You need to forgive as an act of your will. Got that? As an act of your will. I give this illustration all the time. We have light on here in the studio because I reached over the wall and by an act of my will, I mechanically turned the switch on. I flipped the switch up. Well, the will works the same way. You need to mechanically set your will and you set it with your mouth. And you say, when you say as an act of my will, I choose to forgive. I choose to release as an act of my will. I'm making a decision here. I want to change. I'm tired of going around in this circle of depression.
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That's right.
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And you can, you are responsible for your feelings. You're responsible for your life.
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I talk about Cain and Abel in Genesis 4 and how Abel brought a gift of his favorite lamb for an offering and God absolutely was delighted with that offering. And after a while, Cain came and brought some of his harvest, some of the crops that he had raised. And God was not pleased with that because Cain had waited and Cain had not brought his first fruits. He had not brought his best to the Lord. He brought probably blemished things. God was not delighted with Cain's offering, and Cain became jealous of his brother, and he became very angry, and he became depressed. It says in the fifth verse of the fourth chapter of Genesis, And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry? Why are you depressed? Or why has your countenance fallen? And if you do well, this is God's message to you today. If you do well, will not your depression be lifted? Will not your countenance be lifted up? If you do not do well, sin is crouching at your door and its desire is for you, but you can master it. The very next thing that Cain did, Darren, he went out to Abel. He didn't pray. He didn't seek God. God said, Cain, you can master this thing. You can handle it. You are in control and you can come and bring me a great offering and I will be pleased with you as I am with your brother Abel. What did Cain do? He did the very opposite. He went out to his brother Abel and he killed him. He murdered him. He didn't have that control of the spirit. And we're saying you can either go to God, run to God, who is the loving God, or you can run away from God. And I'll tell you, if you run away from God, only evil consequences are there to face you. I mean, there's nothing good that's going to happen to you if you run away from God. God is your source. God is your creator, and he's very loving.
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You know, there's a scripture going along with that in Hebrews 12, 15. It says, See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled. Sometimes we get resentful that we're in these situations. God, this is just too hard for me. Why are you letting this happen to me? Why are you dumping on me? Why are you shortchanging me? Why are you blessing everybody else? Look at that guy over there. He doesn't even go to church. It just seems like he's blessed. Sometimes it does. That's been a complaint of the righteous all through scripture. If you read the book of Job, you'll say, how come they're so blessed? And they don't even worship you, Father. Well, you have to make a decision that you're not going to get into a root of bitterness because of resentment.
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That's right.
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And you have to take that thing on and say, this monster is going to get me if I don't make a decision and take some action. That's why we put out the scripture cards called the Power Pack. If you don't have those, they're $5. They come out in a cassette case, and that'll tell you that it'll fit right in your pocket or in your purse or on the visor of your car. But you need to speak the word of God.
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Oh, we've gotten so many great letters, Darren, with people saying, hey, I carry my Power Pack with me, and it has changed my life in the last six months. Well... Praise the Lord. It's not the power pack. It's the word of God in that power pack. And it's you. It's you putting action to those words. You are part of that solution. That's what's so amazing. You read the word and your words become powerful in the midst of diversity, in the midst of adversity, in the midst of tribulation.
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Now, this new Rotherham translation I was given for Christmas. Here's what it says. And I'll quote, first of all, the new American standard.
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Well, it's not new Rotherham. Well, it's an old Rotherham. It really is old.
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But it's so accurate. And here's what it says. Cast not away your freedom of speech for it has a great reward. Now, why is that so special? And we were talking about this earlier this morning at our house and we were saying, you know, one thing television has done to us is it keeps us from reacting. We sit there and watch and we're watchers and we're not participators.
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That's right.
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We're spectators. If you're going to get involved here with God's word, you have to become a speaker of the word. Cast not away your privilege of speech. You need to know that that's a privilege of speech. or the freedom of speech i should say cast out away your freedom of speech for it has great recompense or it has great reward you need to be speaking the word of god and let me tell you there's nobody in our listening audience barbara that would fail if they speak the word of the lord nobody and you need to start speaking the right things and stop stirring around see i know how it works with many people that are depressed you're either going in the circle in your mind in your heart running all the scenarios that's right all the regrets all the remorse all the flashbacks you're replaying all of the failures all of the missed opportunities let me tell you that is a dead issue you need to have a funeral for that thing now i used to take people and i'd say i want you to write this all down on piece paper maybe they write down all their sins all their failures all their worries and i say right now we're going to burn that thing And we'd put a match to it and we'd burn it up right there in front of us. Burn the whole piece of paper.
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And don't mention it again. Don't mention it.
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This is your burial ceremony. You're going to get rid of this thing. Whatever you have to do, but you need to do something. You've got to make a move in the right direction, in a positive direction. Or it may be that you want to tear it up and then flush it down the toilet. I've had people do that also. Bury that thing. But you have to make a decision to stop talking about it and stop doing the loop. Or it's going to get worse and worse and worse. You need to get over to the Word of God. In fact, I would recommend this. Take Psalm 91 and all through Psalm 91, revive me, O Lord, according to your Word. Read that out loud. Read it again. Read it a third time. You can't read scripture without that word of God becoming alive to you and changing your life and your circumstances, changing your attitude about life. And some of you just have a dirty windshield. Let me say that again. Some of you are just looking through a dirty windshield. You need to clean that up with the word of God so that you can see your life accurately and begin to hear the word of God and his counsel for you. He did not send Jesus Christ to die on the cross so you could fail.
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That's right.
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He wants you to win. Another scripture I'd advise you to get and memorize is Joshua 1.8. It says if you meditate the word, in other words, if you speak and mumble the word day and night, you will be prosperous and successful. And that solves those things.
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How can you do that, Darren? You can't speak the word day and night.
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Oh, yes, you can.
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Yes, we have a spirit. And most of us, the spirit's the last one. We have the physical and the soul, and then the spirit comes in last, very last, third place in most of our lives. Well, the spirit should be in control. It should be number one. Our spirit should be fed all the time with the word of God and with good things and not evil and wicked things. We should have spirit, soul, and then body should be the third. But we got it all turned around. Well, in our spirit, we can meditate without even speaking. Darren, I know people at work that meditate during their work and they don't even talk, but they meditate continually in their spirit day and night.
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In today's soul-enriching episode, Barbara and Kimberly offer profound insights on encountering and overcoming life's trials with unwavering faith. With heartwarming anecdotes and biblical teachings, they emphasize the necessity of scripture in forging a resilient relationship with God. Celebrate the joy of reconnecting with family, understanding divine purpose, and choosing praise amidst adversity. This episode is a beacon for anyone yearning to discover the sustenance that faith offers in times of uncertainty.
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Welcome to Called Up Freedom. I'm so glad you joined me today. May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him so that you may overflow with hope by the power of Holy Spirit. Oh, hope is such a marvelous thing to have. You're hoping for God's perfect will in your life. It's as the Lord's Prayer says, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. You're praising God. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. He wants you to enjoy that abundant life that Jesus promised to you. Oh, and may you be filled with all joy and peace so that you may overflow with hope by the power of Holy Spirit. See, God doesn't use wimps in his plan to conquer. No, he doesn't. And we're growing up. We're maturing. We're no longer on that baby bottle. And I want some of you who are still in that salvation mode. Come on. Come on with me. Read the word. Begin to get into the word and begin to be curious about the word. Examine the word and get knowledge in your heart and your soul from the word. That's the most important thing in the world for you is to learn the word of God so you can love him as Jesus loves him. Jesus, our Lord and Savior, you are blessed to dispense for in him you live and move and have your being. And if you'd like to listen to previous programs, I was listening to the program for tomorrow with Darren and me, and we're celebrating his birthday. I don't know what year it is. I'll have to look that up. But it is so much fun to talk about the year that he was born and celebrating the birthday with him. And he got great calls. And I think you'll really know. I believe you'll really enjoy the show tomorrow. And you go to Freedom Street dot org. Click on radio shows and you can listen. Also, you can hit that donate button if you're enjoying the the excitement and the fervor we have for Jesus Christ and the scripture that we're giving you every day. I want you to realize, friend, that's what we live on. We don't live on just the food that we put into our physical bodies. Man shall not live by bread alone. but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. And that's his word. That's his words, the word that many of you just put on a table for the week and then take it on Sunday to show yourself that you're holy. That's something we open every day of the week and read and underline and learn from. So I challenge you. I encourage you to get into the word of God today. If you need a Bible guide, you can call me after this program. at 1-877-917-7256 and ask for a Bible guide, and I will be happy to send you one to get into the Word of God for yourself. Praise the Lord. Well, Kimberly has chosen to join us again today, and I'm so glad because she had such a great teaching yesterday, and we're just going to continue that. And Kimberly, welcome. Thank you.
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Thank you. Wow, Mom, you just came out the gate shooting from the hip. Thank you. Just let's get in there and tell people what we're made for. Yes, we're made for the word of God. And we did. We looked at that yesterday, how Jesus told the enemy as he was being tempted that man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
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And who would... Now, what would the devil... tempt Jesus with and each one of us with, first of all, in those temptations found in Luke 4 and also in Matthew 4. Food. Yeah, food. Food.
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Yes, food. Yes, especially at the beginning of the year when you've made your New Year's resolutions. And then the temptations start coming, right?
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Yes, they do. Before we get into it, I would really like you to tell the audience about meeting some of your father's relatives and how it came about. Because I know that you have known Pam for a while now. No, I really haven't.
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I just met her about three weeks ago for the first time. We've texted with each other when she first moved here to Broken Arrow. It's already been two years ago. I just both of us just started doing life and and didn't remember to get back with each other but we met for the very first time just within this past month and it's it's amazing to me she's in her 70s and the other two her her sister and then her first cousin they all moved here from California And that's where dad's family is all from. They all settled out there. And daddy died 35 years ago. And we really have not stayed in touch with that side of the family at all. So 35 years of... And even before he passed away, We didn't have very much interaction with them. I don't ever remember meeting these people ever in my lifetime. But they knew that I was here.
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Now, how did they know?
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How did Pam text you a year ago? One of Dad's sister's. So, one of dad's sisters, one of my aunts, let them know, oh, you're moving to Broken Arrow.
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That's where Kimberly lives. I don't know how they knew, but I'm glad that they have kept track of where you were living. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah.
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So I got to actually meet up with them, let's see, two of them last week. And one of them just four months ago, she lost her eyesight completely. Oh. And it wasn't even something gradual at all. It was very sudden. And she's having a hard time adjusting. So she's in an assisted living place now. And that assisted living place has two pianos. And so I went and I played the piano and sang with them. And it was the most beautiful thing to have harmonies singing together. It was as if we had been singing together all our lives.
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Oh, yes. It's really beautiful. Oh, that is wonderful. I am so happy. I know that the first few weeks when your dad and I were living in California before we flew and moved to Colorado, that I had probably met Pam because his whole family had gathered together for an afternoon of playing the organ and the piano and singing and having a great time. And I remember Darlene from a long time ago. But, yeah, that's been 50, 60 years. So, wow.
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Yeah. So the story that we're telling here really does apply to all of you listening because there are things that happen in life. For instance, Joseph. Joseph, he left his family. Well, he didn't leave Joseph. He was sold by his brothers into Egypt and he had to learn a whole new way of doing life. And that way might have been pretty challenging for someone, the way he was raised and his family and the promises of God that were given to his father, his grandfather, his great grandfather. And to know that you've got these promises from the Lord, and now you are in a completely different land. And this land does not acknowledge the same God.
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That's right.
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That would be really, very challenging, really tough. And we can all find ourselves in places in our life where it just feels very challenging, unfamiliar, uncomfortable, and really tough. what we were talking about yesterday how our Egypt, it could be the old way we grew up with our family. I look at Egypt as the thing that was left behind. Joseph left a family behind that was, I know it was a blessed family and God started all 12 tribes out of this family. The 12 tribes of Israel came from this family, but they were messed up. Let me just say that.
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Yes, they were.
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They did not know about harmony and unity. They did not get along very well. And to sell your brother out, to sell him into slavery, that's messed up.
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Yes, there was favoritism from the father who favored Joseph, and he made him a coat of wonderful colors. He didn't do that for the rest of the brothers. He did that for Joseph.
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And even besides that, some of those brothers, like one of them slept with his dad's maid, and then another couple of them, they were so angry that they went and slaughtered a whole city. I mean, there were some problems. So Joseph was leaving those problems behind, but it was also his familiar family. And whatever we get familiar with in life, when we have to leave it behind, that can be really tough. And we start looking back when we've left something, left a job, left a family, left left an area where you've lived for a long time, whatever it is that you've left behind, it can be so uncomfortable that you start looking back and thinking, well, maybe I should go back. And we all have that tendency to do that. What we need to remember is that our journey in this wilderness that feels uncomfortable is such a blessed journey. And Jesus himself showed us how to do this journey. In Hebrews 5, 8, we're told that Jesus learned obedience through suffering. And I think of wilderness as being a place where we have some suffering. It's uncomfortable, and that can feel like you're suffering. And there can be other ways to suffer too. But Jesus was made perfect through the suffering, and he was giving us that example. He became the source of eternal salvation by walking through that wilderness, going through that wilderness, and at every turn, defeating all of the temptations of the flesh. And just like we were talking about, the first one was food. He was hungry. And that temptation toward the hunger, there it was right in front of him. And he defeated that temptation by saying, no, no, I don't just live on food. I'm not going to be scared. I'm not going to have fear enter in and tell me that I'm going to starve to death. Because I won't starve to death. If my father wants me here, I will remain right here, not living on bread alone, but by living on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the father.
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Yes.
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Praise God. He showed us how not to be in fear of these things that are coming at us and that feel uncomfortable and feel like suffering. Walking through the wilderness is just never comfortable. And trying to leave our old lifestyles, our old family, our old career, our old life behind, it is hard to break away from what was normal routine. Yes.
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At whatever normal is. That's right. If Joseph hadn't have been jerked out of that familiar thing, would he have ever left on his own? No, uh-uh. Probably not. He was jerked out of it. That's right. The Lord just jerked him out of it. And it seems really cruel what happened to him. But that was for God's ultimate good. God had this whole thing planned.
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That's right. So when we look at our situations and we don't know what lies ahead of us, that can be scary to us. And that's when we really need to know how good our Heavenly Father is. And we're going to find that out by being in His Word. Because our life and our joy and our true peace, it's not fragile joy. It's not fragile peace that can just break apart at one bit of news that comes your way. This is a really solid joy and a solid peace that's so much different than the world's happiness and the world's kind of peace and calm.
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Yes.
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This is different. It is so tangibly big, powerful in our lives. And we're not going to know it if we don't get into the word of God. Yesterday we were reading from Deuteronomy 8. And It's it's I love this whole passage here. It's talking about how the people of Israel were led out into the wilderness and the Lord humbled them and allowed them to hunger. And I like how in verse three, it says he fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know. None of them recognized the way they were going to be sustained. I love that because they repeat it. Deuteronomy 8, if you go down to verse 15, they say it again. Moses says it again as he's writing, or whoever wrote this out. He says, who led you through the great and terrible wilderness with its fiery serpents and scorpions and thirsty ground where there was no water, but who brought you forth water out of the flinty rock. and who, here it is, fed you in the wilderness with manna, which your fathers did not know. And here's the point. We don't want to miss this point. Just because you don't know You don't know what it is or how it happens. Just because you can't see how your circumstances are good. Don't let that stop you from praising the one who does know. He has a plan for everything. And he proves himself time and time again, over and over, that he is Redeemer. And he is in the restoration business. And he is constantly at work for us.
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And we don't want to forget that, that he is constantly at work for good for us to restore what just broke and to redeem what was just lost. That is who he is. His love is so great. And in Deuteronomy 8, it goes on to say that he might humble you. Now, the humbling is to recognize that our plan is not the best one. His is. Yes. And even when our plans shatter and our circumstances look totally lost, He has a great plan. to fix it, to redeem it. And His way of fixing it is better than ours. So this is how we are humbled. And we humble ourselves and say, not my will, but Yours be done, O Lord. And that is hard. You know, yesterday you mentioned my friend who had to release her husband last week to heaven's great cloud of witnesses. And her anger, it was threatening to take over. When you have a friend whose emotions are getting the best of them, that's a sure sign that they are drowning. That's a sure sign that they have been bit by a fiery serpent in the wilderness and it is painful. It stings. And a good friend will throw out a lifesaver to that one who is suffering. And a good friend can be understanding of the anger. But I just simply planted a seed with her. I just told her, don't give in to the temptation to feed that anger and keep feeding it and keep feeding it. Don't give in to that. I understand where you are, but your faith needs food right now. And if you're listening and you're in a hard circumstance, know that your faith needs food. And the way that we build up faith is to praise God in all circumstances. We praise him when we're doubting. We praise him when we're sure. We praise him in the valleys and on the mountaintops. And there's this wonderful song by Elevation, and it's featuring Brandon Lake. It's called Praise. Let's just listen to that right now.
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Let's go. of how we And I'll praise when I don't. I'll praise cause I know you're still in control. Cause my praise is a weapon. It's worth the sound. Oh, my praise is the shout that brings Jericho down. As long as I'm breathing, I've got a reason to praise the Lord, oh, my soul. Praise God. Praise God. Come on, come on!
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Thank you.
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Oh, such a good song. I had to stand up. I was standing up just pumping my fist to the air, you know, and it's not because I have the best circumstances in life right now. There are some sad things going on around me and there's some really broken things in my life. but I know my Redeemer lives.
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I know my Redeemer lives.
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I know how good he is. And I just want to bring up Numbers 21. And I didn't talk with you about this, Mom, but in Numbers 21, the Israelites defeated the Canaanites. They're in the wilderness. They are not trained for war. And God blessed them to go to war with some Canaanites. and defeat them, they utterly destroyed the cities and they named the place Horma. And Horma means utter holy destruction. They recognized it was a miracle. It was a holy destruction. And then the Israelites set out to go around the land of Edom and the people became impatient because of the journey. The people spoke against God and Moses. He said, why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water. And we loathe this miserable food. Oh, that brings you can hear the emotion in my voice. It brings me to tears every time I read that we loathe this miserable food. Jesus is the bread of heaven. He is the bread that has come down from heaven. And to say, I loathe what you are providing for me, Jesus. Ouch. And I think it really brings tears to my eyes because I realized those times in my life, those seasons where I would rather have my own idea of food and provision for this life rather than what God has gifted me with and what he paid for with his very own life. I recognize that I'd rather have Egypt's food and provision than to be okay with the unknown. See, the manna is the unknown. And the complaining and the grumbling went against the blueprints of the lives of those people. We were made to praise at all times. Praise. We were made to worship. And we were made to see God's goodness and have gratitude for all the ways that he restores and redeems all the brokenness. Yet, when we complain... that's when things break down even more because now we're functioning outside of our parameters and there are natural consequences that cause more brokenness so in this case with these people complaining it opened the door and attracted fiery serpents and many people died from those snake bites but look at god's gracious and merciful response He guides Moses to make a bronze serpent and set it on a standard. He was setting a standard. He was making a prophetic promise to send his only son and to lift him up on a cross that all who look to him would be saved. So complaining and grumbling, they go against our God-designed blueprints. But we know how to get back on track and be blessed. It's to look to Jesus, the one who gave his life for us to have salvation, to be healed, to live in joy, to live in peace. I don't know if I've even taken a breath today.
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But I'm pretty excited about that. So thank you for letting me share this excitement with you today.
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It's been wonderful. It's been wonderful. When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord lifts up a standard against him. And that's Isaiah 59, 19. We've got to. You're absolutely right, Kimberly. Be praising God in all things for this is God's vision for us to praise him. And boy, when he lives in our praises, he can do anything through us. God bless you, Kimberly. Oh, God bless you. It's been wonderful. Remember, tomorrow we're going to celebrate Darren's birthday on the Friday show. God bless you and keep you and take joy.
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This enlightening episode of Call to Freedom takes listeners on a journey through the emotional struggles connected to depression from a spiritual perspective. Hosts Barbara Carmack and her guests delve into the letters from listeners, responding to their stories with empathy and wisdom rooted in spiritual teachings. The narrative intensifies with discussions about the emotional and spiritual turmoil that comes with life changes and job transitions. The conversation serves as a reminder of the power of forgiveness and how relinquishing past grievances can lead to spiritual freedom. Through personal anecdotes, the hosts demonstrate the power of community in overcoming personal battles. Listeners are invited to join the Call to Freedom community, where spiritual nourishment and guidance await. This compelling episode reminds all that through faith, prayer, and the spoken word, individual and collective healing is possible.
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Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I'm delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let's join Barbara in the studio.
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After thanking children who are sending in offerings to give to the orphans with Home of Refuge, I read a letter written by a wife who is concerned because her husband is depressed about his job. But Darren brings up the fact that depression is only a symptom of a deeper spiritual root. We bring up the areas of fear and pride and unforgiveness which may indicate depression. that maybe things aren't working out according to your plans, and you're allowing anger, fear, or unforgiveness to take over. As we discuss unforgiveness, Darren gives a solution to bring freedom into your heart and life. God's will is to bless you, but it's important that you get rid of the junk that's clogging up the communication lines between you and your Heavenly Father. Now let's join the program.
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You have a wonderful letter there in your hand, don't you?
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Yes, and I forgot to bring the letters of the Yost family. The children all sent letters, and they sent their Christmas money that they'd gotten for Christmas for the home of refuge, for the orphanage, for the children, and I forgot that this morning.
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They're over in Nebraska, aren't they?
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Yes, and thank you so much. I remember three of the children's names, Caitlin, Logan, and Coda, but I don't remember the other little boys, and they're so precious. We'll call them number four. Forgive me. No, no, no, not number four. Okay. And so we have a letter here from Shelby, and it's, Dear Darren and Barbara, how are you? I am fine. I'm writing you to thank you for the VeggieTales. I really like it. Thanks for your newsletter. Tell Barbara hi. I enjoy your program very much. I'm sending you $5. And Shelby, we're going to apply this $5 with the other, I think we got $46 from the Yost children. God bless you. We're going to give it to the Home of Refuge, and it's going to bless them.
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Where's Shelby from?
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Lyman.
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Lyman, Colorado.
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It's a wonderful little letter. And we just appreciate the letters from the children. That's wonderful. Praise God.
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We have a letter here that's really, I'm going to say it's a treasured letter because this lady is so gifted in explaining what's going on. But she said, may I ask for prayer help? I've never asked this before. It's difficult and I'm not even sure why. Okay. Oh, I got a phone call coming in. So I'm going to hold this letter because I want to treat this right. It's a great letter and it will strike the chord with so many of you that are, you know, in an employment change transition. And, you know, you may be looking at the wrong thing or why you're having problems. I think we can help this lady. Well, let's talk to Sean. Hello, Sean.
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Hello, Darren, Barbara, this is Sean Anselmo. I don't know if you remember my father.
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Oh, my goodness, yes.
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Steve Anselmo.
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I was talking about your dad a couple of days ago. As a matter of fact, a lady came to our meeting, and she said she talked to somebody on the phone who received a marvelous healing, and I said to Barb, that person talked to Anselmo.
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Yes, to Steve. We were talking about your dad just the other day, and I remember having dinner with you, and you were really young. How old are you, Sean?
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Well, I'm 31 now. Oh, my goodness.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Tack that on.
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So how are you doing, Sean?
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I'm doing great. I just wanted to praise God for you. And welcome back to the airwaves. And it's great to hear your voice on the radio. It's only by chance that I even caught your program the other day. And I'm just praising God for your ministry. And I've entered the ministry myself.
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Praise God. Do you have a church?
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No, I just started a newsletter from our home, my family and I, and it's going to follow up with my dad's newsletter and his prison ministry.
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Good, good.
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Yeah, we're looking forward to seeing what God's got in store for us.
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Well, I'll tell you, your dad helped me out in Tulsa, Oklahoma one time, and I won't go into the whole story, but I'll tell you, he was there for me. And then he worked with me in Fort Collins for quite a while, and there's a wonderful anointing on your father and mother's lives.
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That's right. Amen. Praise God. I just want to thank you guys and encourage you. You're doing a great job, and I appreciate the words of God that he gives to you guys.
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Well, thank you, sir. Thank you, Sean. I hope you'll take time to give our office a call and leave your address.
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I would certainly do that.
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Okay, here's the number, Sean. Well, I guess if you can hang on, I'll just have our engineer take it. How would that be?
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Okay. Thank you very much.
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Sean, it's good to hear from you.
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Good to hear from you.
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You're married? You're married now?
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Yeah, married and three children.
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What's your little wife's name?
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Patricia and Elmo.
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Patricia. Wonderful. Well, we just bless you, Sean.
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Well, thank you.
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I know there's a wonderful anointing being passed down from your father, and that's good. Next time you see your dad, have him give us a call.
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Okay. Praise God.
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I will. God bless. God bless you. Okay. Wow.
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Calls from out of the past. Yes. Amen. That's just really.
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Well, I tell you, I watched Steve and he was a wonderful man for us on the prayer lines.
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He was a man of prayer. That's right. He was. He was a man of prayer.
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This letter goes on to say, I've never asked for prayer help before. I've never asked anyone. I don't know why. Maybe it's fear. Maybe it's pride. And maybe we think it shows weakness, but we haven't asked before. It goes on to say, my husband had been trying to break into a certain business, and I won't name that business, for a whole year. He had to leave another type of business, which is much different by the letter here. but it was driving him to great depression. He loves doing what he's doing now, but it's 100% commission, and he just can't seem to make it work. We're almost out of money, and he's become so depressed and despondent, I'm fearful we're going to lose everything. Is that what's going to happen to us? Pray that we will find suitable work soon. My husband has even looked back to his past job, and we've fasted and we've prayed, and we'll continue. And I guess I struggle with knowing what the Lord's will is here. If Jesus prayed about his father's will being done, shouldn't we also pray that way? Could it be that his will that we go through losing all that we have? Now, I'm going to stop right there. I don't believe it's God's will that you lose all that you have. But I do believe this, that God is trying to get down to a root cause. And I don't believe the depression came on this husband just because of this new work or because of a lack of sales income, commission income. And I believe God allows us to go through these things for us to face ourselves and say, well... It wasn't the old job. It's not the new job. It must be something wrong inside of me. And I went through a period of time like that when I had to face myself. And I thought it was the circumstances around me, my family, my work, my profession, my whatever. And I made somewhat of a massive change. And that's when I hit the wall and it was the best thing that ever happened to me because I had to face some things down inside of Darren and cry out for help. And some people prayed for me. And because of their prayer, that's the basis of this ministry and that's setting people free.
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That's right.
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Showing them how to get set free.
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Life is hard on us, and so we start building walls and we start putting layer upon layer. And I feel like this precious lady is just crying out, and I feel so much for her. We weren't given very many... details and I wish she would have written a little bit more about her family if her husband is born again if they go to a spiritual church if they have had counseling because I believe there's a curse going on in his husband's life I believe that there has been depression in his life before and I believe that if he is a melancholy at all that means if he has mood swings And I'm very aware of that and familiar with that because my life has been my previous life was made up of much mood swings. If something didn't work, I'd get very depressed. And if something did work, I'd be flying high as a kite.
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But let me tell you, that's not just for a melancholic personality.
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I understand.
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I'm a choleric personality. I've had that same thing. And mine came from fear and from anger. When I get frustrated. then what happens a lot of times is the chemical go goofy inside your body, and then the result of that many times is a chemically induced depression.
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Yes, but you're not prone to giving up. And there are some personalities that are absolutely prone to giving up. They hide in a corner, they sit in a corner, and they say, well, this is it, I'm just going to face the consequences. And you get up, when you get depressed, you get up and you go in another direction. I mean, you begin to do something to take care of that. Well, there are...
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Let me tell you why, though, Barbara. I absolutely hate to be depressed. I hate to be depressed and I hate to be sick. And I'll fight that with everything that's in me.
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That's because you're not a melancholy.
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Because I know that it pays no dividends. That's right. And you get in that spiral. And that spiral accelerates, and you go down, down, down, down, down. It gets worse, worse, worse, worse. It's like a person said to me, I think it was this, I don't know, last two or three days. He said, you know, even, well, I know who it was. Even if it didn't work, I'd still want to be a Christian. I mean, this is better than what the alternative is. And not exactly what they said, but... They said, no, I know what she said. She said, giving up is worse than hanging in there because the alternatives for what's going on. And she was saying, our lives are really tough right now. She's talking about she and her husband and their business. Things are really tough right now, but it's not as bad as giving up.
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That's right.
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You know, if you give up, I mean, that's just a horrible way to go. That's an option that I personally will not take.
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And I would say this lady who wrote this letter, I don't have your phone number. If you would call our office number, we would really like to get a hold of you. And our office number is area code 303-689-0499. And again, our office number is area code 303-689-0499. We would really like to talk with you because this is a very serious situation. And I believe that God and us and you have the answer. I truly do. There's wisdom and counsel in numbers.
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When you think about losing everything, there's obviously fear. There's frustration. There's going to be some anger. Oh, it piles up. You have to fight those at the root level, the spirit level. You have to command that spirit of fear to get out of your life, out of your household. The fear of losing everything. The fear of failure. The husband here is obviously facing a fear of failure, a fear of rejection, a fear of being labeled a loser, and I don't think he's a loser.
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No, no, I do not.
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I mean, I don't think that.
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I do not feel like he has found his blueprint in life. That's right. I truly... And so we would really like to talk to you and... You know, so many people do not have the right identity. Like you have said so many times and taught so many times, Darren, they are carrying a false passport in their billfold, and they do not even realize.
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Well, you know, in the high seas, the ship registers in a certain country. So if it's registered U.S., it's going to fly a U.S. flag. If it's Panama, it's going to fly that and whatever. Well, in the high seas, many times, you know, one of the big crimes on the high sea is to fly the wrong type of flag. And that's been done for hundreds of years. I mean, they've been doing that. But, you know, people also, and I had some wonderful people about 20, a little over 20 years ago, say to me, you're carrying false paperwork. You believed a lie. You believed what the devil has said about yourself. No wonder you're depressed. No wonder you're confused. No wonder you're going in circles. And you know those loving people sat me down. They talked to me for about an hour. Then they lovingly laid hands on me and they cast out a spirit of fear, a spirit of anger and some other things. They just plain said it has to go in the name of Jesus. Well, we have that power as Christians.
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That's right.
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And sometimes we are so balled up with our problems and we're so weighed down. It's almost like. You see a picture of a kitten playing with a ball of string. Pretty soon that string's around the leg and around their tail and around their body, around their head, around their paws, and they're just a mess. And if something doesn't come along there, they're going to get in a bigger mess. They're going to be all balled up, as we say. There are some people, Barbara, that are all balled up with all the things that are going on. And then the work doesn't go well, and then the bills start potting up, and this thing starts spiraling into a real mess.
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That's right. And this precious lady, I'd like to say that your prayer and fasting are effective, but your husband who is the covering, if he is not in agreement with you, it's going to just stretch out into a longer and a longer period. dilemma here and you need to talk with your husband get counseling be in a situation where you and your husband I have everything out on the table really truly get gut level honest and sometimes that hurts and but be in agreement and I want to say Jesus will for us Darren is perfect it really is not to take everything away that's right and in the Lord's Prayer I would encourage you to say the Lord's Prayer thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's will for you and your family is perfect in heaven, and his will for you on earth is the very best. It's not God that's taken it away. It may be the enemy that you have opened a door to allow him to come in to take it away.
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Well, you talked about the Lord prayer in Matthew six and you ought to read Matthew six because it talks about food and arraignment and shelter and all those things and how the birds don't worry about those things. And yet God provides. But the key is in Matthew 633 to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, meaning right standing before him. And all of these things previously listed will be added unto you. Now, let me let me talk about depression for just a minute. In our country, I don't know what the number is, but I'll bet you it's up in the billions of dollars a year spent with people trying to get rid of depression. If you try to take depression and treat it, you're missing the point because depression is a symptom of something deeper.
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That's right.
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We talked about some of those root causes being anger and fear and frustration. And, you know, sometimes when you get you want to run, you know, you get depressed. Maybe too many bills and the job isn't going right. Your career has come to an end and you're trying to change careers and locations and all this kind of stuff and you're not getting it figured out. And the bills keep piling up and the money, if you had any to start with, is quickly going out the door. Well, I'm telling you folks, unless you address the root cause, in other words, what caused the depression? Depression is not a root cause. It's a symptom of something deeper.
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That's right. Anger, jealousy, the frustration that we have at the very beginning that something isn't working out according to how we want it to work out. Sometimes frustration sets in, then jealousy because everybody else around us is doing so well and we're struggling.
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Or we think they're doing well.
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That's right. And then anger sets in. And then on top of the anger is unforgiveness. Unforgiveness comes in, Darren, and we get hateful. And we are unforgiving towards ourselves because we have messed up our life and our family is suffering. We have unforgiveness towards that person or that company that we're working for. And we have unforgiveness towards God. And Darren, some people say, how can you have unforgiveness against God because he didn't do anything? That's absolutely true. But sometimes we we make God unforgivable.
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the scapegoat and we say god you can change this god why aren't you changing this and we get angry with god and unforgiving well and we charge him wrongly we say you're the heavyweight here you're the reason i'm having all these problems but he's not no it's it's the enemy the devil now let us give you this triangle of forgiveness again all right number one let's say in the case of this gentleman here that's talked about in this letter this husband here probably he needs to forgive the old company he worked for because he got to where he couldn't stand it. So there must be some people there, some circumstances there that he needs to forgive. Some of you today have been listening to a lot of television. You're listening to Y2K. You're listening to the Senate hearings. You're on and on. You're saying, man, this thing's out of control. Well, you might need to forgive the president. You might need to forgive, you know, the people that are quote, unquote, in charge of the economy, you might need to forgive the Russian government for screwing up their economy or the Brazilians, which was on the air yesterday, and that's affecting us Americans here. What I'm getting at is whoever you resent out there, you need to forgive, number one, and number two, you need to release them totally. And you do that by saying, it's an act of my will, and God will help you do this. As an act of my will, I choose to forgive and release the president, the Congress, the Pentagon, whoever you're unhappy with, with the forgiveness of Jesus. Let that forgiveness of Jesus flow through your heart and through your mouth by an act of your will. Then number two, as you talked about a while ago, some of you say, you know, I am an absolute failure here. I'm just not a good person. I'm just unworthy. I'm just always messing up. I just didn't work hard enough. I didn't prepare well enough. Because of my failures, my family's in a mess.
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That's right.
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Well, you need to forgive yourself as an act of your will. You can say it like this. As an act of my will, I choose to forgive and release myself. With the forgiveness and release of Jesus Christ, you need to judge yourself innocent and stop putting yourself down. Number three, then you need to forgive and release God by an act of your will with forgiveness of Jesus. And we tell you, you learn to do that. That's such a wonderful thing that was given to me by those people that prayed for me.
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Praise the Lord.
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Praise God for that.
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And when we first do that sometimes, Darren, we do need a counselor who is giving us this prayer. Just a little while ago, we prayed with a man and he willingly forgave everyone that had hurt him. And Darren, as he lifted all that up and forgave and released and forgave and released, the very next day, an absolutely tremendous breakthrough came to him because he gave it up. He gave up all of that offense. And I'll tell you, that really hurts us when we are offended and we keep it inside and it becomes broiling and it's like a pressure cooker. We cannot handle that. And so that's why I'm saying if you, the one that we're talking about, you know who you are, if you would like to have prayer and have Darren pray for you, it's our office number. Get in touch with us at the office number if you can't call us here. And it's 689-0499, area code 303-689-0499.
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And now let me talk about this matter of this forgiveness thing. A lot of us look for a feeling. Well, I don't feel like forgiving them or I don't feel like forgiving myself or I'm not in the mood. Let me tell you, if you will do what we just suggested, do it mechanically, the feelings will come. But you've got to take care of the legal issues first and the vital issues, these conditions of the heart. You need to forgive as an act of your will. Got that? As an act of your will. I give this illustration all the time. We have light on here in the studio because I reached over the wall and by an act of my will, I mechanically turned the switch on. I flipped the switch up. Well, the will works the same way. You need to mechanically set your will and you set it with your mouth. And you say, when you say as an act of my will, I choose to forgive. I choose to release as an act of my will. I'm making a decision here. I want to change. I'm tired of going around in this circle of depression.
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That's right.
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And you can, you are responsible for your feelings. You're responsible for your life.
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I talk about Cain and Abel in Genesis 4 and how Abel brought a gift of his favorite lamb for an offering and God absolutely was delighted with that offering. And after a while, Cain came and brought some of his harvest, some of the crops that he had raised. And God was not pleased with that because Cain had waited and Cain had not brought his first fruits. He had not brought his best to the Lord. He brought probably blemished things. God was not delighted with Cain's offering, and Cain became jealous of his brother, and he became very angry, and he became depressed. It says in the fifth verse of the fourth chapter of Genesis, And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry? Why are you depressed? Or why has your countenance fallen? And if you do well, this is God's message to you today. If you do well, will not your depression be lifted? Will not your countenance be lifted up? If you do not do well, sin is crouching at your door and its desire is for you, but you can master it. The very next thing that Cain did, Darren, he went out to Abel. He didn't pray. He didn't seek God. God said, Cain, you can master this thing. You can handle it. You are in control and you can come and bring me a great offering and I will be pleased with you as I am with your brother Abel. What did Cain do? He did the very opposite. He went out to his brother Abel and he killed him. He murdered him. He didn't have that control of the spirit. And we're saying you can either go to God, run to God, who is the loving God, or you can run away from God. And I'll tell you, if you run away from God, only evil consequences are there to face you. I mean, there's nothing good that's going to happen to you if you run away from God. God is your source. God is your creator, and he's very loving.
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You know, there's a scripture going along with that in Hebrews 12, 15. It says, See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled. Sometimes we get resentful that we're in these situations. God, this is just too hard for me. Why are you letting this happen to me? Why are you dumping on me? Why are you shortchanging me? Why are you blessing everybody else? Look at that guy over there. He doesn't even go to church. It just seems like he's blessed. Sometimes it does. That's been a complaint of the righteous all through scripture. If you read the book of Job, you'll say, how come they're so blessed? And they don't even worship you, Father. Well, you have to make a decision that you're not going to get into a root of bitterness because of resentment.
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That's right.
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And you have to take that thing on and say, this monster is going to get me if I don't make a decision and take some action. That's why we put out the scripture cards called the Power Pack. If you don't have those, they're $5. They come out in a cassette case, and that'll tell you that it'll fit right in your pocket or in your purse or on the visor of your car. But you need to speak the word of God.
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Oh, we've gotten so many great letters, Darren, with people saying, hey, I carry my Power Pack with me, and it has changed my life in the last six months. Well... Praise the Lord. It's not the power pack. It's the word of God in that power pack. And it's you. It's you putting action to those words. You are part of that solution. That's what's so amazing. You read the word and your words become powerful in the midst of diversity, in the midst of adversity, in the midst of tribulation.
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Now, this new Rotherham translation I was given for Christmas. Here's what it says. And I'll quote, first of all, the new American standard.
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Well, it's not new Rotherham. Well, it's an old Rotherham. It really is old.
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But it's so accurate. And here's what it says. Cast not away your freedom of speech for it has a great reward. Now, why is that so special? And we were talking about this earlier this morning at our house and we were saying, you know, one thing television has done to us is it keeps us from reacting. We sit there and watch and we're watchers and we're not participators.
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That's right.
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We're spectators. If you're going to get involved here with God's word, you have to become a speaker of the word. Cast not away your privilege of speech. You need to know that that's a privilege of speech. or the freedom of speech i should say cast out away your freedom of speech for it has great recompense or it has great reward you need to be speaking the word of god and let me tell you there's nobody in our listening audience barbara that would fail if they speak the word of the lord nobody and you need to start speaking the right things and stop stirring around see i know how it works with many people that are depressed you're either going in the circle in your mind in your heart running all the scenarios that's right all the regrets all the remorse all the flashbacks you're replaying all of the failures all of the missed opportunities let me tell you that is a dead issue you need to have a funeral for that thing now i used to take people and i'd say i want you to write this all down on piece paper maybe they write down all their sins all their failures all their worries and i say right now we're going to burn that thing And we'd put a match to it and we'd burn it up right there in front of us. Burn the whole piece of paper.
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And don't mention it again. Don't mention it.
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This is your burial ceremony. You're going to get rid of this thing. Whatever you have to do, but you need to do something. You've got to make a move in the right direction, in a positive direction. Or it may be that you want to tear it up and then flush it down the toilet. I've had people do that also. Bury that thing. But you have to make a decision to stop talking about it and stop doing the loop. Or it's going to get worse and worse and worse. You need to get over to the Word of God. In fact, I would recommend this. Take Psalm 91 and all through Psalm 91, revive me, O Lord, according to your Word. Read that out loud. Read it again. Read it a third time. You can't read scripture without that word of God becoming alive to you and changing your life and your circumstances, changing your attitude about life. And some of you just have a dirty windshield. Let me say that again. Some of you are just looking through a dirty windshield. You need to clean that up with the word of God so that you can see your life accurately and begin to hear the word of God and his counsel for you. He did not send Jesus Christ to die on the cross so you could fail.
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That's right.
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He wants you to win. Another scripture I'd advise you to get and memorize is Joshua 1.8. It says if you meditate the word, in other words, if you speak and mumble the word day and night, you will be prosperous and successful. And that solves those things.
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How can you do that, Darren? You can't speak the word day and night.
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Oh, yes, you can.
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Yes, we have a spirit. And most of us, the spirit's the last one. We have the physical and the soul, and then the spirit comes in last, very last, third place in most of our lives. Well, the spirit should be in control. It should be number one. Our spirit should be fed all the time with the word of God and with good things and not evil and wicked things. We should have spirit, soul, and then body should be the third. But we got it all turned around. Well, in our spirit, we can meditate without even speaking. Darren, I know people at work that meditate during their work and they don't even talk, but they meditate continually in their spirit day and night.
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Welcome to Call to Freedom. I'm so glad you joined us today. It's going to be a wonderful day. You know why? Because I had opposition all morning long. And I know when the enemy doesn't want you to do something, then you go full barrel through. You do. You stand strong in the Lord and in the power of his might, not the enemy's. And I'm so grateful. I am just so grateful. I've been listening a little bit to some of the people who are going to be heads of the departments today. that Trump has appointed. And it's really interesting. It's, you know, from one party to the next, they're asking deep, deep questions. Some of them questions that have nothing to do with the position the person's going to take, but they still ask anyway. And I'm so grateful. I listened a little bit to what Pam Bondi had to say. And she is going to make a terrific attorney general. And I'm so grateful for Trump's appointees. I am truly excited. And I know you know that I'm excited. So I'm excited to see the wonderful things that God has in store for his people through people that he's going to put in leadership. And that's what he does. He puts wonderful people in leadership. And then we take orders from those people in leadership. I'm so looking forward to it. is Inauguration Day. Oh, how long have we looked forward to that day? Oh, my friends, take courage. God is on the throne. He's not going to leave you or forsake you. Remember that. You are blessed to dispense for in him you live and move and have your being. And from Ephesians 3.20, he who is able to do immeasurably more than all All we ask or imagine according to his power that is at work within us, to him, to him, not to us. We don't get any of the credit. I don't want any of the glory. To him be glory forevermore. Amen. Praise the Lord. God never compromises on his promises. I want you to know that you can believe that promise, that he's going to keep that promise no matter what. Even though it looks dreary, it looks hopeless, God's going to keep that promise. So I want you to know that. As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives. And at the last, he will take his stand on the earth. And I'll be with him. I hope you'll be with him. I hope you will be one of the wonderful crowd of people that are going to be with God. Father God and our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ and us. Amen. Well, Kimberly has a great teaching today. We've had a little bit of problems with the transferring of voice prints and stuff, but we're going to do it. And Kimberly, I welcome you to the broadcast. Thank you so much.
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I had a little glitch with my Wi-Fi this morning, so if I drop out, you just be prepared to be reading scripture until I come back. Oh, wonderful. Okay. Yep, I do. I have the Bible. But you were expressing at the top of the hour here that you had opposition in your world this morning, and me, too. You know, and you said, when we stand strong in the Lord, that's how we confront opposition. Mm-hmm. And when there is a war, God does send out his worshipers in front. We choose to worship him. We choose to make him first, to make him our focus. And when we do that, he does take care of all the details. And he does unexpected things, very unexpected things. So I was reading in Psalm 84, and I just want to invite all of you to turn to Psalm 84 if you have the ability to do that right now. If you're driving, please don't do that. You can just listen. That's right. Psalm 84 starts out, And I just want to mention that So much of what we read in the Bible might not feel very tangible to us now. When we're talking about God's dwelling places and how the heart and the flesh are yearning for the courts of the Lord. Well, what does that look like? The courts of the Lord. And I know that for myself. I've had to imagine just being in His place and having His perspective, being able to know that He is God and He has limitless solutions to our problems. We get stuck on one idea of being a solution to our problem. And when we get stuck there and we're consumed with that one idea, then we cause stress. We cause anxiety. We start comparing to other people, comparing with our other family members or neighbors. We compare to even Bible stories. We'll pull out Bible stories and start comparing our lives to others. And then... We might even take a scripture and decide to stand on that scripture and believe that is going to be our answer.
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And I just wanted to take a few moments today to talk about the dangers of that. Because when we have it in our mind that it has to work one single way, then we're not really tapped into who our God is. He can do so many limitless ways of working things out and surprise us with it. That's where I'm talking about his dwelling places. How lovely are your dwelling places, O Lord. The Passion Translation of Psalm 84 says, God of heaven's armies, you find so much beauty in your people. They are like lovely sanctuaries of your presence. And when you stop to think about that, how many people that he has created. And so how many lovely sanctuaries does he have? There's so much beauty in 8 billion different ways of looking at a situation. That's who our God is. He is so vast and he has so many ways to work things out that he has given us a picture of 8 billion people on the planet. And all these different paths, all these different perspectives that we can rejoice in, that we can really be glad in. The scripture in Psalm 84 goes on to say in the Passion Translation, Deep within me are these lovesick longings and desires and daydreams of living in union with you. When I'm near you, my heart and my soul sing and worship with joyful songs of you, my true source and spring of life.
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Yes. Oh, praise God. That's one thing, Kimberly. that after your father died, God gave us, we still had the piano and organ store, you still had your students, and we just praised God through all that grief and loss. And we had friends who came alongside, like Roger, for instance, and Mike. And I praise God for those friends that stuck closer to us than even our relatives did. And then when Darren passed away, the only one I had was God. It really cuts into that. the things that you trust in. When he died, I thought, there's no one else. It's only you, God. You're the only one I have to lean on. And yeah, you're so right.
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And he became your true source, just like the scripture is saying. Your true source, your capital T, true, capital S, source, and has never let you down. No. And that's the kind of rest, the kind of stillness that we want to come to our physical bodies and to our minds that are so full of anxiety or fear or doubt or anger because it's not going the way we want it to go. The very next verse in this Psalm, Psalm 84, verse 3, starts talking about a bird. The bird also has found a house and the swallow a nest for herself where she may lay her young. Even your altars, O Lord, my rock, my king. Ah! Here's a bird that's in the house of the Lord, the smallest little creature. And this bird knows where to find rest on the altar, on the altar. Oh, my goodness. As I saw that, I realized that's how we have rest. We lay it down. We put it on the altar, so to speak. You know, we we give our idea and our plan on how to work this out. We give it over. Yes. And sometimes we're forced to, right? Like you were talking about, when there's a death, when there's an accident, when there are health issues, when there is the kind of disaster like the fires in California, we don't even have a choice. Here it comes. And then we're making the choices in our mind. Am I going to trust God or am I going to become bitter and angry? Yes.
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I know, Kimberly, that the altar here in the Old Testament was meant for the sacrifice. And so if we see ourselves submitting to God by laying our bodies and our souls and our spirits on the altar for him to do what he needs to do, then it's going to be much easier. But like you said, if we're angry, well, it's going to be hard.
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That's it, though. That's it. That's exactly it. We lay the anger down, even though we don't feel like it. You know, we lay down our idea and our anxiety and our doubts and our fears. We lay it down, even though we don't understand what might be happening and we can't even see how it's going to work out. That's what faith is. Yes. Faith. And faith, last week we started talking about building up a tolerance for... Yeah, now I don't remember the terms. And I didn't write it in my notes. I'm just pulling all of this up from my memory. But building up a tolerance for something that seems insecure, like it's not secured. We can't really understand what's coming next. But building up a tolerance for that. Yes. To... To not need the confidence of something we see and something we hear and something we touch. To not need the confidence of that, but to sit with it while it's still just kind of simmering and we don't know what's coming next.
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That's right. You were telling me, Kimberly, about Jonathan and how he was a groomsman for one of his friend's weddings. And he did not realize he was going to have all the duties that were required of him until he got into the ceremony. He was supposed to be the driver for the groom and the bride. and take them everywhere they needed to be and well he but he didn't you're right they didn't ever tell him that they just gave it to him at the last moment yeah that was hard for him i know and he he volunteered really he was willing he did not know the extent of the responsibility he had so he starts the wedding at you know one in the afternoon And by the time you got to the reception at night, he was exhausted. I mean, he was totally exhausted because he had willingly volunteered for a position that he did not know what it entailed. And sometimes we find ourselves in those same situations. Oh, for sure. Too much. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, we don't know what we're getting into, and it's uncertainty was the word I was looking for. We build up a tolerance for uncertainty. You can't be certain of the very next step that's coming. You can't be certain that you'll have enough strength for what's happening And God is our strength in the middle of it all. When we call out to him and we put our own ideas on the altar and say, Lord, this is where I'm at. This is where I find myself. And I'm exhausted. And I don't know how to go on, but you know how to give me your strength. So I'm calling out to you.
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Yes, right here. Yes. taking him home, taking him to his place. So we always have some. God provides. Kimberly, he's our provider in every situation we're in. He provides that wonderful rescue that we need sometimes in our lives.
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Yeah, I did not feel drawn to go to that reception at all. I didn't want to go to the reception, but I knew the Holy Spirit had put it on my heart and I knew I was supposed to be there for Jonathan. And so when I showed up, I just told him, hey, I'm just here for moral support for you. And he didn't even want me to walk in to the reception. He wanted me to wait outside and wait for him. And I didn't know that they had asked him to be the chauffeur to this place. So he had no ride. He had no way to get out. He had no way out. No exit plan. He was stuck. He really was stuck. And so when I showed up, I was the wheels that could take him away from this place. Take me away, yes. But I didn't know that that's what the Lord wanted for Jonathan. Jonathan did not know. That's how God wanted to answer his desperate prayer for help. And we don't know. There are so many different ways that God can bring an answer. And we don't know. So building that tolerance for uncertainty. It happens in the middle of our anxiety, in the middle of the stress or in the middle of the anger. If we could just stop ourselves long enough to say, am I serving a God who is limited? Has he run out of ideas? Is he going to drop the ball? You know, we have to remember that he has been on the throne the whole time the world has been in existence. And he has lovingly and patiently seen us through looking at that bird, putting her nest on the altar. That's where she can raise her young. Yes. We can trust our young. We can trust our most precious and our most valuable people and things and dreams to the Lord. Um, I had a friend call me and, and just say that her husband went back into the hospital. And you might remember if you're listening of three years ago, many of you were praying for Holly, my friend and her husband, Gary, and he is now with the Lord just happened just, just in the last, well, 24 hours here. And, um, That is something that she was walking into with anger. She wanted a miracle again for him to come up and out of this. And there was a huge miracle last time, three years ago. and and so that's what she wanted again she wanted it again that's what we do we compare what we're going through to what we've seen before yes what we've experienced before what what might be happening to other people around us and when we start those comparisons we get these ideas in our head yes and we want it to go that way well as she's praying for that miracle I knew because of talking with her husband, Gary, I knew that he was not completely satisfied with his recovery from three years ago. He still felt weak, and he did not want to go through the rest of this life in a weakened state like that. And so, as I was praying, I could see how our Heavenly Father, who loves us all equally, that he was listening to two very conflicting prayers rising up to him. Gary's heart was so weak now after this heart attack this week, and Holly's prayer to revive him again, I know that Gary's prayer was, please just take me home now. That's right. Yes.
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I think of your father. He loved God so much that there was a point in his battle with cancer, especially after the coma, that his desire took precedence over our desires, and God took him home. And we need to recognize that, Kimberly, that the person that is going through it, what do they want? And sometimes the person who's praying for them, they don't even ask them, what do you want? And so many times they say, I want to be with God. And that's what your father so many times said. I'm going to be with God sooner in my life than I thought. So, yes. Yes, it's true.
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And, you know, what does our Heavenly Father want? I mean, he's working with us. We're working with him. Are we really including him? Right. In our prayers? Yeah, right, right. When we say, not my will, but thy will be done, Lord, when we say that, do we really mean it? Because often our prayers start sounding like, well, if it's your will, Lord, this is what I want. Don't they? We do that a lot. You know, if it's your will, we want you to heal this. We want you to supply that, provide this, lead us here, guide us there, if it's your will. And we didn't even stop long enough to actually find out what his will was. That's just how we started praying. This is my idea, and I want you to bless it, God.
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That's how we started praying. Well, the lovely dwelling place in Psalm 84 that's being talked about here, that lovely dwelling place that we're actually yearning for, that we are heartsick for, that we desire, that place is in union with him. That's where that place is. The place that we're longing for is in union with him. It's a place. Being in agreement with him and being in union with the Lord is a place. Yes. And it's beautiful. Yes. And it's better than anything we could ever imagine. So we don't have to have our own way and our own dream come true in order to experience fulfillment and deep satisfaction. In order to be blessed and to be favored and sustained, to be whole and content with And full of God's peace. For only God can bring all that to us. Yes. And there's not any amount of money. There's not any position. There's not any relationship or dwelling place on this planet that can bring us this fulfillment, this satisfaction, this assurance. It's only Him. And we find... we find this place of assurance and rest when we lay everything down on his altar. You know, I was writing out the word altar as I was just taking some notes, and I noticed if you write altar in all lowercase letters, A-L-T-A-R, T is in the middle, and that particular T in a lowercase is a cross. Yes, it's a cross. And when we choose to look to Jesus and how he did this, he was constantly laying all of his desires on the altar, so to speak. He was laying down his ideas. He was laying down his dreams and all the way to the cross. He did it so that we could learn how to do the same thing.
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Yeah, there's a scripture in the New Testament and reminds me probably most people, Kimberly, that I would ask, are you spiritually where God wants you to be? And they'd say, oh, yes. Oh, yes. I've gone through all kinds of stuff. I'm right where God wants me to be. When God is saying, no, I want you to come a little farther here into the deeper world. realm of my spirit. It's like the time when Jesus said, are you willing to take this cup? Are you ready to take this cup that you're saying you're going to go with me? Oh, yes, master. We're ready. We're willing to go with you wherever you go. And they all fled from him. So they weren't spiritually engaged. into the deeper parts of Holy Spirit that God wanted them to be until the baptism of Holy Spirit was upon them. So, Kimberly, a lot of people are saying, oh, yeah, I'm right where God wants me to be when they're not where God wants them to be.
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Well, you're bringing up something very interesting to me, because I get that, and I actually believe God really gets where we're at, and He has seasons for all of us. Oh, yes, I agree. Yes. There are some who are in just defiant, stubborn rebellion. And I've I've even been there, too, in my own life. And that's you know, that's between us and God when we get to those places. And he constantly woos us even in those stubborn, defiant, rebellious places. He is. is constantly wooing, and he has a plan for us to watch those who are stubbornly rebelling, who are angry and raging and spewing out horrible things. We watch these things and he lets us have that example in this life. It's these conflicting comparisons that we actually need so that we will keep making choices to grow closer and grow closer. Now, I personally find it, I guess it's a lot of pressure for me to be thinking, oh, I'm not where I need to be. And I'm not. where I need to be because I'm here on this planet. This is temporary. This is where I get to grow and learn.
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I don't think that most of us know that it's a conscious thing. It's it's an inner thing. Well, you know, I'm right where I need to be. And God is saying, I want you. I want to move you just a little bit farther here. See, God is at work in us both to will and to work for his good pleasure. And it's so important. Kimberly, we know that we deep down.
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We opened up. We opened up something really, really. It's going to take longer because we're out of time. I know.
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I wish you were here in the person, in the physical. But I think we're going to have to talk about this tomorrow because this is an area in which a lot of people think they're spiritually where they need to be when God is wanting to move them further and further. So it's been wonderful. Thank you. I'm enjoying this teaching so much and I love Psalm 83. It's just one of my favorites. So I guess I'm going to say to you, I'll see you tomorrow unless Jesus comes back in the interim. I would enjoy that. Thank you so much. We'll see you tomorrow. Okay. Well, God bless all of you that are listening today. We all need this spiritual information that Kimberly is giving to us. So I want to say goodbye for now. We're going to be back on tomorrow, the Lord willing, and take joy.
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