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This episode explores more than just the benefits of consistent habits; it's a deep dive into the fabric of building a rewarding life and career. Angie and Scott discuss the balance of home and work life, financial prudence, and the art of showing respect and preparedness in business meetings. Listen in as Scott provides invaluable wisdom on steering financial complications early in life, setting the stage for long-term success. Whether you're venturing into your professional journey or looking to pivot your life's path, these lessons are an inspiring guide to help you along the way.
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Welcome to the good news with Angie Austin. Now with the good news, here's Angie.
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Hey there, Angie Austin here along with Scott Montgomery. He is the author of How Did You Get Here? Lessons of Unconventional Success. We've done several interviews and we're kind of breaking down, you know, how to reach that level of success through the chapters of his book. And today we are on the chapter titled Habits. Welcome back, Scott. Thank you, Angie. Good to talk to you. So give us kind of, yes, yes. Kind of just give us a brief, you know, if you had to give a, you know, a 30 second, one minute elevator speech about what your book's about for people who've missed you in the past, just kind of give us a little overview and then we'll get into habits.
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, I wrote this book as a way to kind of pay it forward for the next generation of business folks and folks that are driving success in sort of a different way than, you just conventional, get a degree, get a job, and call yourself successful. What I did is I tried to break down relationships and partnerships, how I communicate, my habits, my goals, and sort of correlate for my reader my experience with those topics and how they can then hopefully parlay their experience into those topics and drive and find their own happiness and success. I love it. It emerged in 2019 during COVID, and right after my brother had passed, So I wanted to kind of keep a legacy piece on the bookshelf for my family after I pass. There's a lot of reasons for this book.
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And I think an interesting, you know, side note that I've found in us becoming radio friends is that we've got, like, our kids, you've got three kids. Our kids are, like, basically the same age. They're getting their driver's licenses. They're finishing up high school. They're in high school. And so it's been kind of fun to go over all of that with you. We've done partnerships and relationships, and you talked a lot about partnerships. people that you've worked with in the past who were like tens who were shiny stars that you then hired in your own company and then your relationship you know with your wife that's so important and how she is a big help um you know within your company and i wouldn't doubt at some point maybe you even have you know a couple of kids working in there too but we'll see about that they're a little young but you said you had a funny story for me before we get into habits
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Well, I did. And speaking of my wife and relationships, one of the stories that I tell in partnerships, the chapter mostly about my wife is when we were meeting with Zach Nicholas and his wife, Barbara, at a closed happy hour, we were talking to them about the trials and tribunes of being in relationship and also running a business together. And we had a really nice conversation around it. And it was there that my wife sort of indicated she felt like she was maybe more a string to my kite than she really wanted to be. And so we sort of had an evolution in our relationship. It was back in 2017. Well, it turns out I'm going to be at this same happy hour again this month meeting with Jack and Barbara. And, you know, I call him Jack, Mr. Nicholas. And I'm going to bring my book and hopefully tell him all the good that has come of the story that I share about having met him the first time.
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Oh, I love it.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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That's so funny you mention that because yesterday Jim Stovall, one of my favorite authors, he's written like 60 books. He joins me once a week. He also was talking about Jack, and he's interviewed so many cool people over the years. I don't think he's – those are the two times he's been brought up in the last two days. So I love a good inspirational story.
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All right. Yeah, it'll be nice to close the loop with him.
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Yes.
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I think it'll go right into habits, and we'll talk about that for sure.
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Well, and then tell, you know, after you meet with him, give us kind of the update of your meeting per se.
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Oh, I want him to sign my book. I want to give him a copy, and then I want him to sign my copy. So, yeah, I hope I get both of those. We'll see if that comes to fruition.
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Awesome. Awesome. All right. How did you get here? Chapter three, habits. So how is this going to help us reach success?
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So you know what I found in habits that I sort of learned at an early age is that habits sort of drive behaviors. And when I was in high school, I had bad habits. I was smoking cigarettes. I was eating unhealthy food. There was no routine to when I got up in the morning or when I went to bed at night. There was no real structure in how I was living my day to day. And my grades reflected on it. My attention at school and all that stuff sort of didn't go well until about 11th or 12th grade when I realized, hey, wait a minute, why don't I get rid of these bad habits and incorporate good ones? Go to the gym, eat healthy, plan my meals. And as soon as I did that, I started to realize my grades were improving, my outlook and outcomes were improving, my relationships were improving, my attitude and tone and tenor were improving. And I thought I'd talk about it in my book because I think people don't realize they get lost in their own habits and And if they're not good ones, they can really pull you down.
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Yes, and just a few bad habits can pull you down. Let's talk about that because, you know, since my kids are the same age as yours are, I find that their habits sometimes really need to be, like, reminded out of them. I think my son's kind of past that stage where he gets up for work. He's always on time. He runs his own business. He schedules things. He keeps his own appointments. And he just graduated from high school. So that's cool. But the girls, and they're not going to like this, but... You know, food. Oh, you're leaving for practice. Did you pack anything healthy? Did you get enough sleep for your tournament? Did you stay up until 3 or 4 a.m. for a tournament when your parents are dropping huge amounts of money on you playing and trying to get you into college? That's right. returning the the emails from the coaches that are asking if they can do phone calls with you are you scheduling those phone calls when they ask for them are you studying for an exam that's coming up or do you as my daughter put it once at the end of the school year i said are you sure you're prepared for this exam she goes oh i have my ways and so now it's become a family joke because we're retaking that class this summer and so she she's doing a grade recovery course where she's taking a college course to replace it. And she's got an A right now, but guess who's right alongside her reminding her every day to study. So we always say when the kids are like, I got to hand her love. And I look at my husband, I go, she's got her ways.
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You know, and that's funny. We talk, it's so funny because when we talk about kids, I was lucky enough to realize that the 10th, 11th, 12th grade is when these fundamentals sort of start to get embedded and they really do make a difference.
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And you did it yourself. That was all you.
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I did it myself, and I really will say I did it myself because I realized quickly. So cigarettes was a really bad habit for me in high school. And the minute I stopped and I replaced it with running, I felt better. So there was a really quick turn for me on, wait, if I put structure in things. You know, there's maturity. There's examples. But there really is, if you put some structure on things, they will go smoother and more productively. They will yield you more happiness. which will ultimately drive that word success. And I think that's where I learned it early. And that's what I do now. So I still try and live in the patterns of, to your point, I have a daughter, you know, hey, did you make your bed? Did you clean up your room? Did you even just rinse out the sink or brush your teeth before you got up this morning and left the house?
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Oh, my gosh, the teeth. I mean, the teeth. I mean, that's one because they'll be walking out. And I'm like, did you remember to brush your teeth? Oh, oh, yes.
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You're 16 now, so let's go ahead and brush our teeth and let's march right back upstairs. But I think that the rigor of that and those habits will drive her and my other children to more successful goals, objectives.
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and happiness overall you know no one wants to sit in the dentist chair get the teeth drilled oh my goodness oh okay all right so um you started those habits when you were in high school on your own which is so awesome uh my son's been going to the gym like on his own because we do family gym night with everyone but he kind of now does it on his own and goes later with his friends to a a different gym than we go to which i get it when you're just going into college you don't really want to work out with mommy and daddy and your little sisters so um so he's he's he's on that road so let's talk about these habits for success for you know once you pass the high school years yes yes so you know i think it's important that those patterns come into play you know um i'm when habits are generally um important for example this call
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I'm prepared. I'm ready. I'm sitting down, ready for this call 10 minutes in advance. That's a habit that will yield me more focus, more attention, and hopefully more productivity in our time together. So when you're in business and you're emerging into business, showing up late, kind of having those loose edges, not doing things on sort of a consistent basis will definitely drive perception, and that will eliminate opportunity. So When we start to get into my book further, we'll realize that because I had good habits, I then forged good relationships with people who would help me move into higher-ranked roles. So it's not always about the skill I bring and the work I do. It's the perception I bring forward that I'm in meetings 10 minutes before they start, always and forever. It's a habit. And it shows interest. It shows intent. And for those who are joining me, it shows respect. And they're now interested in driving or helping my successes. which ultimately helps theirs as well. Back to hiring those folks that I work with because they know the style of habit that I have in the structure we work in at Worldgate every day.
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You know, I was thinking about that too, just that when people come in, that it is really a show of respect as well, in addition to helping you be prepped and, you know, to put on a good presentation or to present good information and be organized. But it just shows the people like, you know, I really respect your time, you know, and I'm not running, you know, by the seat of my pants per se to get into it. Okay, what else?
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Well, I think, you know, from those habits perspective, that's good. And, you know, there was one I was just trying to recall here about You know, one of the other lessons that I learned in habits wasn't around cigarettes or time management. It was also around finances. I found myself in a real money crunch in my senior year of high school. I was $40,000 in debt. I was driving the shiny new yellow Honda Prelude. I had all the leather jackets and I was to be seen when I showed up anywhere I was with things I couldn't afford. So what I learned real quick, well, things that I learned real quick in that was hey, maybe the habit of balancing your checkbook, maybe the habit of living inside a budget, maybe the habit of sort of not spending what you didn't earn yet. Don't use the credit card unless it's a way for you to bridge a gap or get points. And so I learned through the negative a lot in high school era that if you can switch it to what we started to talk about a minute ago, habits are all around us in everything we do. And I think if we can switch create that rigor. And what I want to try and talk about in my book is creating that rigor and using these examples, because then they reflect on what goals I can set for myself next chapter. They talk about what relationships I have prior chapter, how my partnership is instead every day, how I communicate chapter six mentors and, and coaches that engage with me that actually find me competent because I show up 10 minutes early, for example, you know, And so I think there's a real golden thread through this particular chapter with all the others in the book that I really want to drive home to the next generation. And the next generation is in high school. It's those who are wondering what they can do to make themselves more successful slash happy with what they're doing.
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Well, and I it's interesting how that financial piece. can so adversely affect you know your success and every aspect of your life uh to be you know 40 grand in debt you know in you know leaving high school and uh how that self-control you know how difficult it is to go wait a second especially when you know keeping up with the joneses my nephew lives in los angeles and his um clothes are a little bit um rough around the edges shall we say because he's just kind of like you know given up on trying to compete with the joneses and He was talking to one of my girlfriends about dating in L.A. and how he doesn't really fit the mold. And then somebody drove with him or met him at his mom's place right outside of Beverly Hills in Century City. And they said, oh, well, I thought you were poor. Oh, wow. you know just because you know people just go by i mean how do you just go buy a car and clothes to me that's not indicative of wealth at all but in some circles that really is and in some circles that to me is indicative of debt and i'm trying to teach the kids that too like i know you see so and so the neighbor driving you know that car but we know for a fact you know that their finances are strained or this, that, and the other, because maybe I know the mom or this, that, and the other, you know? All right, so tell people where to get your book. How did you get here?
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So you can buy it on Amazon. We can get it at Target. You can get it at Barnes & Noble. It's How Did You Get Here? Lessons of Unconventional Success. There's also a website, howdidyougethere.com.
SPEAKER 05 :
Excellent. Thank you, Scott.
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Thank you.
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Hey, a real treat for us as we near Christmas, Michelle Ron, Michelle A. Ron, my good friend. We text every single day because we wake up in the morning and our good friend, Beatrice Bruno, gives us some scripture to start the day. And I thought, who better to talk about Christmas and what it means to us than Michelle Ron. Hello, friend.
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Oh, good morning and afternoon and evening. It's just wonderful to be with you, Angie. You're just such a burst of joy. You really are.
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You know, it's just, well, I feel the same about you. We, you know, exchange not only scripture in the morning and a prayer, but, you know, then we kind of keep each other updated on our lives. You know, what's going on if something's going on with my kids or you take a trip or see the grandkids. You take really neat little side trips to me. You take good vacations, but In your retirement, besides being a speaker and representing, of course, Miss Senior America, you do a lot of really neat little outings that I like to follow.
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They're my field trips. They're Bob and my field trips. This last summer, and I'm a retired teacher. That's why I'm laughing.
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I'm laughing because you still plan field trips. It's so cute. Oh, gosh.
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Well, you know what? When you reach this age, it's real easy to stay put and not do anything, and Bob loves to do puzzles, and I am out and about, but this summer I just decided that, oh my gosh, we have got to get out and start learning something and doing something different, and so it's been really fun. I've had several friends suggest different places to go, and It has just been a really great thing because we focus on something during the week that is new to us. And it's been a great adventure. I would recommend it for anybody.
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Okay, and when I see them, and you go on these little outings, and I know Bob loves puzzles, and you went to Boulder to a puzzle company that makes wooden puzzles, which is a very unique thing because they have masters that are helping to carve these pieces, and they were so beautiful. And I never would have thought of that. And I believe you did like a Celestial Tea one in Boulder. But wherever you are, like around the world, even on a trip, you'll post these fun little field trips. And it really is a great idea. There was a group that I was in in Los Angeles, and it was called Live Like a Tourist in L.A. or something like that, or See L.A. Like a Tourist. Oh, that's great. And they'd have all of these outings. And as you can imagine, in the greater metropolitan area of Southern California, all the cool things like the La Brea Tar Pits or even just the, you know, the Getty, because they changed their, you know, their displays. And then they had a Getty Museum. I don't know if they still have it, but it was like this phenomenal beach house, this... like mediterranean estate in malibu and you could go there but you had to it was small so only a certain amount of people could go but and then just like really neat houses like um the hearst castle you could you know drive up the coast to see but all of these things that get your mind going but when you say you want to learn something new every week is it just your field trip or are you also attempting to learn things in other ways as well
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Oh, you know that John Wooden is one of my very favorite people. The best. And one of his quotes that I especially like is, when you stop learning, you're dead.
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Oh, wow.
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And it's just so important to learn something. Even if for me, to learn how to open the darn jar or open the darn... Those Amazon packages come very tight. It's the little things. It's the little things. And the fact that we live in Colorado, and I've been here 56 years, all these places that Bob and I have been going to, they're all new to us. We have not gone there before. Well, that's ridiculous. For example, Hammond's Candies here in Denver is the season here for Christmas. They make that ribbon candy. And it's the kind of candy that, for my generation, it was our grandma's candy always. And they do this very short tour, and it's a very small family-owned business. Or there's the Legacy Pie Company, which is great. It's up on, I think it's 38th and Tennyson. It's a small family-owned, but they make homemade pies. And all of these places have been around since. But I've never visited them, and so it's been very good for us. And as far as learning, it's so important to do it every day, every day.
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You posted that, too, and that's what I love about you. Here you are in your – and I know how old you are. You and my mom are about the same age.
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I'm thankful to be 80, turned 80 this year. Okay. It was so exciting.
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Very thankful for every day. is that you know how to post all these things. So you take the photos, you know how to use social media, you get out there and you post these things. And I think it's so neat because here I am, I could be your daughter, right? And I'm following you for all of the interesting things you do. And I'm like, wait, I want to do this too. I love a good adventure. And even if like, I've never been to the Mother Cabrini Shrine. Oh, there's one more that I have to tell you about. That Bishop's Castle. Have you been to that Bishop's Castle before?
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Is that the one on the way up to Boulder?
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Okay, I don't think that's the one, but what I read the other day is this man, he built it by himself. It's phenomenal, and he just passed, and they had a fundraiser going to get him a special wheelchair a year or two ago so that he could finally travel and see Colorado because he said all of these years of him building... building this castle largely on his own and he would go off and find the rocks and dig them up because he didn't really have the money for the materials and it is mind blowing there's even like a dragon on top that can spew fire I don't know if it still does but it's really an architectural like feat of some you know significance because he did this largely on his own and he did it into his 80s and It did pretty much handicap him in the end because of all the years that he spent building this thing. It is worth looking up. It is Jim Bishop, and the castle is, I just remembered, Rye, Colorado. All right, Michelle, changing gears, you are always telling me what a great retirement saver your husband is. And as many of us are preparing for retirement, the data shows that employees are underestimating the costs of health care and other necessities of retirement. And today we are talking to an expert, Kai Walker. head of retirement research and inclusion transformation with Bank of America. Welcome, Kai. Hi, Angie.
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Thank you for having me.
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Well, I think, oh, you're welcome. I think a lot of us are looking for, you know, ways to improve our retirement savings. Do you have any tips we can start off with for employees who are looking to, you know, boost their savings?
SPEAKER 07 :
I sure do. And this is a great time of year to begin thinking about this. So I've got three tips that anyone can take advantage of. So the first is, to the extent that your employer is offering a retirement program, such as a 401 , be sure to take advantage and contribute to that 401 program. It's an easy and efficient way to begin making contributions and saving towards that retirement nest egg you seek to build. And secondly, to the extent that you're contributing to that 401 plan, many employers will also match your contributions by way of making a corporate contribution. that's free money to you and don't leave that on the table so begin contributing to your phone k plan definitely many employers are offering sort of educational tools resources many of your listeners perhaps have used online tools and calculators projection tools to make sure you're on track towards your retirement goal your employer is offering those types of resources as well we have charged to you and then the last thing i'll mention is to the extent that you may may have More questions, perhaps a unique set of needs or challenges. Maybe consider talking and speaking with a financial professional. Again, to your employer, many employers are offering access to financial advisors and counselors that can help guide you and navigate you through some of those more complex needs and get you on the way to a successful retirement journey.
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I love that. When you talk about the free money, I remember when I worked at NBC in Los Angeles, it was my first big job. I was there for over a decade and there was an older writer producer that was retiring during my time there. And I love the company matching because IBM owned us at the time. And it was like, here I am in my 20s. And this guy is complaining as he's going through his retirement stuff and his meeting. He said, I can't believe we had company matching all these years and I never did it. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, it was like 35 years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. Yeah. I tell my kids today who are just starting out in their career. be sure to start contributing to your 401k plan and try to max out as much as possible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, absolutely. And it's crazy because that 10, you know, that over a decade, that's when I really did a huge chunk of, you know, my retirement, just, you know, 20 to 30 or 21 to 31 or whatever. So yeah, I'm glad you're telling your kids that, me too. So in terms of employees, making sure that they're prepared for health care costs i think we really underestimate that one of my kids was just hit by a red light runner and um just the er bill and the um ambulance which i think was 40 grand you know i mean that's just that's not even the surgery that's not even the the physical therapy people don't realize how quickly a hundred thousand dollars adds up it can just be a you know a one quick thing
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Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear that. Hopefully your son is okay. Oh, yeah, he's actually doing really well. Thank you. I think we underestimate what can take place. So the first thing I would say, let's be real and have a healthy dose of reality here. One is the fact that we're all living longer, and it's not inconceivable that we could live to 100 years old. So think about spending 30, 40, 50 years in retirement, and think of all the health care expenditures that will come along eventually. the journey along the way. The second thing is, I think we tend to underestimate, to your very good point, the expenses that we might incur in retirement. For the average couple retiring at the age of 65, they can plan to spend in out-of-pocket expenses alone around $350,000 in the course of their retirement. So we're living longer, health care will be more expensive, and in fact, health care costs tend to outpace the rate of inflation. And therefore, it would be good to be prepared, have a plan. And part of that plan, again, going back to the employer, is looking at the employer benefits that might be available to you, including something called a health savings account or HSA. It's a very tax efficient way to sock away dollars to save for health care costs. And you can use those health care savings to fund your health care expenses while in retirement. It's triple tax deferred, which means the contributions go in tax free. They grow tax free. And to the extent you cover health care costs, they come out tax free.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I love those two words that you're using so much. They're tax free. Those are really beneficial to all of us. So let's talk a little bit more about, you know, some people don't have like a plan. They don't like tailor make their, you know, plan. Give us some more ideas there, because I think a lot of people just think they're going to end up at a healthy retirement, but there's no plan. They're just like, well, I'll do company matching and I'll take some money out of my check. But sometimes it takes a little more than that. And also like your investments while your money is sitting in its retirement count all those years as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think your point is a really good one. I do think you do have to plan. I think you have to perhaps even incorporate your family into that planning in terms of What are your desires and decisions around health care? I'm sorry, retirement and health care. And what happens to the extent you become incapacitated? What plans do you have in place to have loved ones take care of you? Maybe long-term care insurance is a factor or an issue. So having a plan around those activities that are part and parcel to one's retirement are vitally important. And I would say it really starts with making sure you've got the appropriate documentation in place. So having a living will, having a health care proxy. Do you have a set of trust documents? Does your family understand what your desires are for when that inevitable time comes where perhaps you aren't able to care for yourself along with saving for retirement? So those are all vitally important. I think it takes a village to help you navigate those waters, incorporate the help of a financial professional again if needed,
SPEAKER 05 :
ensure that your entire family is on the same page in terms of your wishes and desires well obviously you know this is something you have a passion for and a lot of experience in and you can tell just by this you know interview we've done how beneficial it is to have an expert you know give you advice if you want to find out more where do we go for more information yeah I would direct you to a website called better money habits calm it is absolutely free to you and your family and
SPEAKER 07 :
It can help you with everything from setting up a basic budget to savings and to the topics of our conversation, saving towards retirement, how to create those documentation around your wills and wishes. And so bettermoneyhabits.com.
SPEAKER 05 :
I love it. Thank you so much, Kai Walker.
SPEAKER 07 :
My pleasure. Thank you. Happy holidays.
SPEAKER 05 :
You too.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
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welcome to the good news with angie austin now with the good news here's angie
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Hey there, Angie Austin and Jim Stovall with the good news. Hey, Jim.
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It is great to be with you as always.
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You as well. We're talking about your winner's wisdom column and this week it's the price of tuition. But I thought we'd start with, you know, Michael Pelka and I've done radio for like a decade, I think now and not quite maybe, but we did a show together for years and we'd never met in person and we just met in person today, as you know. So we had to send you a picture right away because Mike met you through me and we both talk to you every week now.
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Yeah, and, you know, it's amazing because in person I've never met either one of you, although as a blind guy myself, it's not a lot different, you know, but it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. But, yeah, I think it's so cool you guys got together. sent me the photo, and it's actual evidence that there is really a Michael Pelka.
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Yes.
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So that's good to know.
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Yeah, and you know, it's funny because he was exactly like I thought. I mean, he's exactly like I thought he'd be, and speaking with him, we did a four-hour show every weekday, and I've seen a lot of his posts on social media and he's always golfing and I knew exactly what he'd look like, but he thought he'd have a very short period of time. Cause he said that Denver airport's too big and that he had to like, he's like, I'm getting all my steps in. I'm taking trip now, planes, trains, and automobiles. He's like, I'm barely going to have time to talk to you. So he walked by the table and he said, nice to meet you. And then kept walking out. Like he had to leave that quickly. And I'm like, it's classic Mike.
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Yeah, that's Mike. And it is. And, uh, And he actually emailed me after the meeting with you and told me he got to meet you. But unfortunately, he was delayed. So his show is backing up from Tuesday to Wednesday this week. So, yeah, it's not as easy getting around as it needs to be. And that airport is – It would have been nice if they'd have built it in Denver.
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Yeah, it takes a long time to get out there. I mean, the first time I drove there, I was like, wow. It feels like it's almost in another state, but it's way out on the plains. It feels like you're driving into the eastern plains. But, you know, they've started bringing Denver out to the airport. They've continued to build out towards it. So they're actually starting to build neighborhoods not that far from the airport, even though it used to be in the middle of nowhere. Yeah.
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Yeah, and I will always be grateful for that. I owe one of my movies to that. I was staying at the Brown Palace there in Denver, and there was a movie producer there we'd met, and we just had not been able to come to terms on the deal. And he said, well, I've got to go to the airport. And I said, well, we have a car. We're going to fly out a little later. We'll take you. Well, because it's an hour, by the time we got through the city traffic and got out there, we were able to put together the whole movie deal, all the points, everything, and everything. If the traffic had been any worse, we could have written the script right there in the car. Oh, that's hilarious. So I will never complain about that airport.
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uh, you know, with, um, you know, driving out there for Mike, I was, I don't know how it worked out, but I was over two hours early. So I'm like, do I go home? And I'm like, no, it's too far because it's so far out there. But, um, he told me that he'd read your, um, the book that you made into your first movie, the ultimate gift. Cause he's trying to read 50 books this year. And I'm like, oh, Jim reads a book a day. And of course he knew that already. And, uh, I said, well, how, how was the ultimate gift? He goes, well, he made a movie out of it. I'm like, yes. I'm aware. And he says, it's great. It's great. They made a, it was his first like big movie. I'm like, yep, yep, yep. Remember I introduced you to Jim. So I know all this. So anyway, uh, he really enjoyed your book. He's trying to read, I think one of your books a month.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that, that's great. I just, uh, Mike is the, the two of you together was, was just absolutely fascinating. The yin and yang of, uh, of human existence. It was quite an experience talking to both of you. And, uh, and it's, it's ironic because, uh, You know, I talk to you about my column and then I talk to him about my column. And it's a completely different conversation. It is absolutely different. And for me, it's like, you know, as a blind person, if I go somewhere, I experience much of it through them. And there are some people, you know, you want to take to the party, the fair, the parade, the circus. That's you. There are some people you want to take to the lecture, you know, the museum, whatever. That's Mike.
SPEAKER 02 :
He's so sharp.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, he is. But for you, everything's a day at the beach. Everything's great. And Mike, if he finds the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, he's analyzing, why didn't we get two of these?
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, right. He's going to question the pot of gold and make sure it's legit.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. And find out whether or not it's a Republican. Oh, he had, you'll have to ask him too. When you get your private time with him, he has three ideas of who he believes Donald Trump will choose as his VP candidates. So ask him about that next time you talk to him. It's pretty interesting. All right. And we'll see if he's right. Right. All right. Well, I've got two kids that are looking at colleges right now. So let's talk about your column, the price of tuition.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know, as you know, through the Stovall center for entrepreneurship at the university, uh, I interact with a lot of kids, and we have students from over 100 nations right now on campus, and it's really rather amazing. Tuition is unbelievably expensive, particularly from some of these people that come from third-world countries. I mean, going to college in America is quite a thing. But I always tell them, please remember, the price of tuition is the same whether you learn the lesson or you don't. And, you know, we all know about tuition and going to school and learning things in school. But in life, it's the same way. You know, life is always teaching us lessons. And failure is the tuition we pay for not learning. And you keep learning until you get it. So you keep failing until you get the lesson in it. The great philosopher Billy Joel once said, I am the entertainer. I had to pay my price. The things I did not learn at first, I learned by doing twice. And if you don't want to learn from Billy Joel, I get it. Churchill said that those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. You either learn from history or you get to do it over again. So I always tell people, you know, every time there's a problem, a challenge or whatever, that's a lesson learned. and you can learn it and not repeat it yourself, and you can help other people not repeat that. And then the converse is true. You can learn from other people's mistakes, and you don't have to burn your head on the stove if you just watch somebody else do it. You can say, you know, I believe I'll just bypass that lesson and check that one off and move on.
SPEAKER 02 :
I love that. And, you know, to see every failure, every trip, every stumble as a lesson, learning experiences, I think something that's becoming more trendy. It seems like for many years, many of us thought that failures were, you know, possibly a reason to quit. And now it just seems like part of the journey.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, failure is fertilizer for the future. And every time something happens bad, you know, the whole world's praying for that great idea. Angie, the only thing you got to do to have a great idea is go through your daily routine, wait for something bad to happen. Ask yourself, how could I have avoided that? And the answer is a great idea. And the only thing you got to do to turn that great idea into a great business is ask, how can I help other people avoid that? And the world will give you fame and fortune and everything you ever wanted. If you'll just help them solve their problems. And as in most things, uh, It ain't about you, and it ain't about me. It's about them. And solve their problems, and they'll give you anything you want. And my late great mentor, Zig Ziglar, always said, you can have everything you want out of life if you'll help enough other people get what they want out of life.
SPEAKER 02 :
I like that. You use a lot of quotes. In fact, you've got a book, another book coming out about famous quotes and speeches. And you talk about Winston Churchill and talking about learning from history. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. And I feel like many of us do that. We just keep doing things the same old way. And expect a different outcome. And we just get stuck in a rut like our brains wired a certain way. And we just thought, well, we'll try it again this way. We'll try it again this way. And so you talk about in the article when you're raising your kids or teaching students or whatever, that you shouldn't allow a mistake to be made without a change. You shouldn't allow a mistake to be made without a corresponding change. So stop doing it the same way, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I don't quote him often, but Clinton said that never let a good crisis go to waste. And that's what he meant. I mean, hey, all this garbage, there's got to be a lesson in here somewhere. And because if we keep doing the same thing we've been doing, we're going to keep getting the same thing we always got. So when you or your kids or your students or anybody makes a mistake, the first thing, what did you learn? And what are you going to do different next time? Otherwise, we're going to be sitting right here at the scene of another accident having this same conversation.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, when you talk about the Stovall Center for Entrepreneurship, I know you made a big donation and that was a, you know, a goal of yours from, you know, a young age that you wanted to make a big donation. Your name, you know, is a part of the, you know, building, et cetera. Now, what's your responsibility in terms of teaching these kids? Are you teaching them? Are you mentoring them? Like, how does that work? And is it just volunteer? Is it because your names, you know, associated with the program? How does that all work?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I'm very glad to say we have professors and teachers and wonderful people there who work with the university. I do have an office there, and I lecture some of the classes, and I teach and mentor the kids. But, I mean, you have to have academic standards to be an accredited university, so thankfully we have people that are really, really good at that, and I try to stay out of their way. But I am excited to get to work with these young people who – you know, it's amazing. They haven't yet figured out what's impossible. And so they end up doing some things I would not have even thought feasible. And I watched them do that. And they just didn't know you can't do that. And that's an amazing thing to observe. And, you know, the energy they have and the excitement. And they're growing up in a different world. You You know, I'm working with people that, you know, were born after 9-11. I mean, it's a completely different environment. And, you know, they never have known a world without cell phones and digital media and total connectivity around the world. And, you know, that's been a big part of their lives.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, yeah. Well, and I love that, you know, you defer to the, you know, professors, but I'm sure that the kids also really want to pick your brain about, you know, what you've learned. And I know you have a big contest every year, too, with the students, not you per se, but just in general. Can you tell us about that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it's called the Launch Competition. We do it every year. We just finished our fifth one. And, you know, think Shark Tank. But it lasts a whole year, and kids actually start real businesses. And then we bring in venture capitalists. We bring in investors and different people. And then we have a panel of expert judges that we bring in. And the kids put on a real business pitch for this new venture they've started. And it's not like playing Monopoly. These are real companies these kids have started. Truly amazing. And, you know, to see what they can do and, you know, really, really begin to change the world. And I always remind them, you know, education, particularly at this level, this is not something, you know, we're going to learn today and maybe someday in the by and by we're going to do some. Three of the five largest businesses on planet Earth started in somebody's dorm room. Three of the five. Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is crazy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let's don't wait around. I mean, you know, look at where, you know, Bill Gates came from and look at where Steve Jobs came from and look at what these people were doing. These aren't people that waited until, you know, all the lights were green before they left the house. These are people that left the cave, went out and killed something and brought it home. And it's time for you to go do something.
SPEAKER 02 :
I love it. One of our friend Mike was saying, why don't you get your kid to go on Shark Tank? Wouldn't that be cool? And I thought, wow, that would be cool since he has had his business since he was, you know, a kid. All right. Jim Stovall dot com. Jim Stovall dot com. We'll talk to you next week, friend. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
I look forward to it. Thanks, Angie.
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Hello there, friend. Angie Austin with the good news. Cal Phaibus is joining us. He is an author, but he has quite an interesting background. We're going to talk about his new book, and we are also going to talk about how he got there. And he is actually a Colorado guy and, you know, lives kind of in my neck of the woods, actually. So many of you listening may already be familiar with some of his desserts, interestingly enough. Welcome to the program, Cal Phaibus. Well, thank you. Thank you, Angie, for having me. All right. So you it's just funny because as we were talking in the break, we were talking about I want to move to Laguna and I live in Colorado and you have a house in Laguna Beach in California and also one here. And I had just had these advisories pop up on my phone about Laguna real estate. So I was like, oh, you're already living my life, Cal.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it's actually Laguna Niguel, which is just just a little. inland from Laguna. So it's about a five-mile drive to get to the beach from here.
SPEAKER 02 :
Down that little canyon.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's a nice little condo. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, the weather is so beautiful there.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is. It's like perfect almost every day. A little chilly at night in the winter.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, yes. I used to live in Marina del Rey, and I agree with you. The beaches, I mean, people would be surprised to hear that, but it is a little chilly in the winter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so we walk the beach a lot, and you've got to take a coat and Make sure you have a hoodie or something because the wind blows.
SPEAKER 02 :
So tell us about your book. And then I want to get into a little bit into, you know, you and your background. So many people want to become authors and have other careers like you did and, you know, are afraid to take that jump, you know, to write a book.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And I've always had stories in my head, you know, but I never really thought too much about it. writing them down because I was busy with my career and, you know, raising a family. But I started to write a book and I found out I could do it.
SPEAKER 02 :
And fiction, is that your thing, fiction, that you wanted to write a novel?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, I only write fiction. So the book that we're going to talk about today, The Angel and the Amazing Life of Maggie Love, is my second book that I've published. And it's centered around a character, a woman that has killed 20 people in her life. And the first line in my book is, Maggie Love is finally dead. An angel who kind of narrates the story is in charge of Maggie, and his job is to simply save her soul. Now, how is he going to save a woman's soul that's killed 20 people? Well, he's determined. And he's going to find out how. And he does that by taking her back into her life and making her relive the crimes again. And she kind of has a lot of deja vu. She remembers, I've done this before. I get to do it again. She's actually excited about it. And the angel's job is to just try to get her to repent. And she won't do it. She feels she's totally justified with every murder she's committed. So it is a mystery story, but the mystery isn't really who did it. The mystery is whether or not her soul is going to be saved.
SPEAKER 02 :
Ah, okay. And then is this for you? Are you doing a series of books? Have you written more already? How are you going about this?
SPEAKER 06 :
I haven't written more. I'm working on another book, but it's not related to this one. I do have an idea for a sequel for this one, so there may be a series.
SPEAKER 02 :
And then your background, I was talking about that. You're a retired chef, and you've invented thousands of desserts for high-end restaurants, and you did not go to culinary school, which is unusual, I guess, for, you know, like I have a pastry chef in the family, and I know a lot of people specifically go to school, but you learned cooking. In a bakery, a small bakery in California. And then just to add a little bit more, and you can go into more depth, that you work for this big dessert company, Stephen Charles, which I wasn't familiar with. And there's one right down the road from me where I guess they do their major shipments. I can't just go in there and buy desserts. I think like big trucks go in there and they send them to like high-end restaurants. So talk a little bit about that, how you got started at the small bakery in California and then how you became so well-versed in creating these desserts.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I didn't go to culinary school. That's true. I learned by just doing it, by getting up at 2 in the morning, going to work, baking every day in a small bakery, just learning the trade, learning how ovens work. Nobody ever taught me anything, learning how to read recipes. learning how to create recipes, which is even more important. And I have an older brother who was a natural entrepreneur, and he's just able to start companies and build them up to be very, very large. I went to work with him, first as a production guy, and then eventually, you know, we kind of figured out that I had a little bit of talent at creating desserts and creating recipes.
SPEAKER 02 :
So cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I did that and we started to get into some major chains. The first big chain that we got into was the Red Lobsters. Since then, we've been into Olive Garden, Chili's. When we finally sold the company, our biggest customer by far was Starbucks. Oh, my goodness. And we have one very successful dessert in Starbucks. Well, there's actually different flavors of the same thing. And it is the cake pop.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, I knew you were going to say that. My daughter, she's 15. Faith, she's addicted to those. We get those all the time. They're so good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they're not very expensive. They're small. But, you know, people seem to love them. And we were making millions, you know, towards the end of my career. We figured out how to automate it. And, you know, nobody had ever done anything like that before. So we had to, you know, basically design the machines and
SPEAKER 02 :
know in the early years it was all done by hand wow but now now it's all it's all automated and same product that is so wild okay so um it the um i just actually ate a dessert last night from um olive garden it was like a oh gosh it was my daughter's but i'm probably gonna get in trouble for finishing it and it was um you know many layers you know chocolate chips and then dark chocolate and then a white layer and then a another chocolate layer and then like a cookie bottom so I'm just curious, because I think that'd be so fun, and I'm sure there's stress involved, and I know that especially doing the production for millions of cake pops isn't always fun, but how does the process work for you to come up with a recipe?
SPEAKER 06 :
The creative process is hard to describe. You have to see it in your head, and you have to taste it in your head, and You know, you put something in the oven and you think you got it and then you taste it and it's just not right. And then you do it again and you do it again and you do it again until you got the product that you want.
SPEAKER 02 :
That is so cool. I never thought about it, that you'd picture it and taste it in your head. You'd picture what it's going to look like, that cake pop, and then you know what it's going to taste like, but then it's too dry, then it's not vanilla enough, then the coating's too hard or whatever, and so you just keep retrying it. Oh, that's cool to know, because one of my kids is always looking at Instagram and finding recipes. Okay, that's another interesting thing you do. Besides being a retired chef, selling that company, working in a small bakery in California... Then you also, you know, become an author. But what's this about being a cartoonist?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. I love to make these cartoons. They're on my Instagram. And I've developed a little bit of a following. Now, some cartoonists or, you know, maybe diehard cartoonists are kind of mad at me because I don't really draw. I'm an expert at manipulating a photo. So I can put a character into pretty much any scene I want. I can change his voice. I mean, I can change his facial features. I can change what he's doing. But I don't actually draw anything.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, that's funny. I'm on your, I found your page. And for people, it's Carl Fabus, but he goes by C.R. C.R. Fabus. And so you can see some of his, yeah, you've got a good little following. Okay. And so that's just kind of a little hobby of yours?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they're fun to make. And I enjoyed, you know, reading the comments that come back from some of the viewers. It's very satisfying.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, I bet it is. That's really cool. Okay, so you're living between Colorado and California. You're writing novels. You're working on another book. You're, I'm assuming, traveling because, you know, a lot of authors travel around. And then you've got four kids and four cats and one dog. Oh, my gosh. I have five pets, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
You do?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I've got three teenagers.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately we lost our dog a few months ago, but that happens, but, but, um, we still have the four cats and the four kids. And well, my, my kids are all grown up now. So two of them actually still live with me. Um, and, uh, my grandkids are actually, I have three of those and they're actually, one is going to turn the youngest one is going to turn 21 in June. Oh, cool.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's a fun age.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, a Vegas party for my grandkids when they turn 21.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, my goodness. That's so exciting. All right. Well, I always loved it because, you know, I've been doing news for over 30 years now and I've worked in L.A. for many years and San Diego, Santa Barbara, Denver on TV. And then I changed over to radio about 10 years ago. So I love asking people, you know, how they got the passion for what they do. And so you can go through your career if you want and go through, you know, talk about your writing or how you got the passion for the baking, et cetera. Where did all this come from? Tell me a little about your story.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I, you know, as a young man, I was struggling. I worked in airline catering for a while. I wasn't happy with that. My brother already had a bakery and another brother bought a bakery in Ontario, California. And I went in half with him. And that's the earlier story that I said, that's how I learned how to bake. And eventually went to work for my older brother as a production guy and turned into a chef over the years. And at one time when our company was, really in a growth mode, I had 14 people working for me. 14 people creating desserts, some were clean up and all that, but I had about six other chefs under me. And we were creating a lot of desserts, putting a lot of things out. The customer that we deal with, the customers that we deal with are very picky. Most of them have been to culinary school and, you know, sometimes they're not easy to deal with.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
But if you just keep pushing it and keep making a dessert that's really good, they're going to recognize that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then you get a big sale and it's very satisfying. Now, in terms... Go ahead. And as far as the writing goes, when my kids were growing up, I was telling them bedtime stories. And I made up these two bears. They're called Charlie and Harry. And I would tell them a story. And then, of course, the next night they wanted another one. I was under a lot of pressure. I had to come up with a new story like every night. And I finally decided to write them down. in the 90s, and I haven't published that book yet.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, that would be so cool. Go ahead, it's really funny, what?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it's really funny, and it's not really a kid's book. It's kind of like a book that anybody could enjoy, because it's funny.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, we're out of time, unfortunately, but I want to make sure people can find you and your books and find out more about you. So what's the best place for us to find you and your latest book about Maggie Love?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, my website is crfavis, that's F-A-B-I-S books.com, crfavisbooks.com. And that'll take you to my website. And from there, you can find Maggie. You can also find my first book, which is called Rome Never Fell. And there's some biographical stuff about me and what I've been doing and a few of the interviews I've done.
SPEAKER 02 :
Excellent. Well, Cal, thank you so much. It was a real pleasure having you on The Good News. Well, thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was so much fun.
SPEAKER 02 :
You bet. Thank you.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
Join Angie Austin as she hosts a heartfelt conversation with Grace Fox, diving deep into life's real struggles as shared through compelling stories. From personal journeys of letting go to understanding the psychological roots of attachment, this episode is filled with insight and introspection. Discover how faith and perseverance can transform arduous paths into enlightening experiences. The episode also shifts focus to the pressing topic of foster care, featuring expert insights from Kristen Pratt of Foster More. Learn about the challenges and triumphs involved in fostering and how communities can step up to support this vital cause. It's an episode that underscores resilience, hope, and the courage to face life's uncertainties. Immerse yourself in engaging narratives as our guests share their personal stories of overcoming journeys, the emotional ties to possessions, and the fortitude required in fostering. With thought-provoking discussions on securing peace through faith and fostering hope through love, this episode offers both encouragement and inspiration to navigate your life path.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now with The Good News, here's Angie.
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Hello there friend, Angie Austin and Grace Fox. And today we are talking about real life struggles from her book, Fresh Hope for Today, Devotions for Joy on the Journey. Hey Grace. Hi, good to talk to you again. All right, so tell us about real life struggles.
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All right, so I wrote this one after interviewing a friend. Her name was Nancy. She lives in Oregon, actually. And she talked to me about how she and her husband had decided to take a hike. And so they trudged, as she described it, trudged four miles uphill through the forest. And they began second-guessing their wisdom in choosing to do this hike. but she said that they persevered and they got to the top of a, when they got to the top, it was this meadow that was just filled with flowers and glacier fed streams. And she said, it was just so beautiful. They sat down and had a picnic there and thoroughly enjoyed their time. It was that kind of a space where you work so hard to get somewhere. And when you, when you finally arrive, it's just so beautiful. You don't want to leave. And that was like their experience. And, And so when I heard her story, I thought, well, that is like real life in that sometimes we end up on a journey that is so arduous. And it's maybe not by choice, but it's just something that happens. We end up on this path that is so hard. And we just don't know that we're ever going to reach whatever it is we're trying to reach. But finally, the Lord just brings us into a place of rest. and it's it's a place that our soul is longing for after all of that maybe hardship that we've just come through but where we can sit down and we can rest and we know that he's with us and we know that he's got us and he's holding us close but wow it's you know the destination of getting there and experiencing that rest for our soul is good but the pathway to getting there is sometimes really hard
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Can you think of examples like in your own life where that really applied to you as well? And you're like, oh, I'm going to write this because I can really relate to this.
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Yeah, I think that when my husband and I sent the Lord nudging us to purge almost all of our earthly belongings to move aboard our sailboat home. And we didn't have a boat. It's not like we had this boat sitting around and we could just move into it. We had to find one that worked for living aboard and find a place to moor it. It was a journey that took a lot of energy mentally and emotionally as I had to part with all of these things that I counted precious. It was a path. It was arduous. And we didn't have a long time to do it. Once we got on it, once we actually found a boat and bought it, we had like six weeks to get rid of our stuff. And it was a path that wore me out in some ways, just emotionally every day, getting up and sorting again and purging again and saying goodbye again to these things that we'd held dear. But once we completed that and arrived, moved into the boat, settled in, And realize that, wow, you know, like this was a time of really stretching our faith and growing our faith. But we saw God come through. And it was a time of thanking him for that opportunity to walk that tough path. But to come to that place of knowing full well that we had obeyed him completely. And there was peace in that, even though I'd said goodbye to all these things that I'd once held dear, there was peace in my heart and there was joy in having obeyed. And it was something that, yeah, we walked that path and it was hard, but wow, it's been worth every step.
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You know, it's interesting you talk about, you know, peace of letting go of things that you once held dear. It's so hard sometimes to part with them. And there's some organizer lady that, you know, basically says, if you feel, if that item brings you joy, you know, keep it. And of course, if it's something you haven't, you know, used or worn or whatever for many years, you know, even if you're like, oh, I might wear that again. There's really no sense in keeping it. But I wonder why we have such a hard time letting things go. My... Mother-in-law has... The family calls her an organized hoarder. And so she has a basement that's probably 1,500 square feet. And it's the most organized basement stuffed to the brim with like 200 purses, you know, 400 pairs of pants. And they're those stretch pants that... you know like senior citizen ladies wear that you can slide on and have thanksgiving dinner and they still fit just fine in every color of the rainbow and then i'm like well why are there like 20 yellow pairs well she used to be super skinny so there's like you know three pairs and a size four three pairs and a size six three pairs and i'm not i'm like oh my gosh like you could never if you wore these pants every day like You probably, she couldn't even wear them like at the end of her life now and go through all those pants. You know what I mean? Like it's just crazy to me and she won't let us down there. Like my son really wants to go down there because he's a thrifter and he's been allowed down a couple of times like with oversight. Like she'll be down there with him. And he might get like a hockey jersey that my husband had when he was little. Or this last time my son came home with a stack of photographs of like my husband when he was, you know, a kid and in college. And then some from when we first got married, like probably 50 pictures. So that's what he came home with. But usually he gets like a little thing. I even got down there. Oh, I couldn't believe that was allowed down. But I needed one of those like shopping bags kind of like to take on the plane that... you know fooled up and she had some nicer ones down there that were like designed or whatever so I found a small one that you could maybe put like the size of like two bottles of wine maybe so that was perfect for like my snack on the plane I go oh look there's another one there's a matching one I'm thinking oh I should take both right she goes oh no no no no no don't get greedy girl And I'm looking around, right? Even three of the purses that I gave her, they're just hanging down there collecting dust, right? Like coach bags. And I'm like, are you sure you've never used that coach bag? Are you sure you want to keep that? Like I gave that to you 20 years ago. I would definitely use that. Oh, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, what? What is it? I don't understand the psychology grace behind that kind of hoarding. You know what I mean? And I know they say it can relate back to maybe losses. Like her dad was a police officer and he was killed in the line of duty when she was like maybe 8, 9, 10. And I've heard that like losing, like if you lose a child or lose something big, like somehow hanging onto these things. And I know that that's not like the Christian way to do it. We're not supposed to get our like comfort and our like, you know, out of things. They're not supposed to give us like that comfort. Right. But it's perplexing to me. Like I can't wrap my head around it, but it's got to have something to do with it giving you comfort or comfort.
SPEAKER 05 :
um security something like that you know that we're supposed to be secure through christ but apparently we're secure through 200 pairs of pants and 200 purses yeah the word security came to my mind as you were talking and i think that's it is that we look to things for our security but if that house burned down if that house were to burn down today how would she respond right like if she found her security in those things that'd be a significant loss for her But the one thing about hanging on to the Lord and finding our security in him is he's never going to leave us. Nothing's ever going to take him away from us. The scripture says in Romans that nothing separates us from his love. And so no matter what happens, even on those tough walks that we take through life, sometimes doesn't matter where he leads us or what he asks us to go through or what he allows in our life. still we can find hope and we can find peace and we can find joy if our security is in him and not in stuff that can be gone in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and I think with so many of the people, I keep seeing these pictures because I've got so many friends in the news business in Los Angeles. And one of my girlfriends went out really early this morning. And, you know, I don't think we can really wrap our heads around the loss that those people experienced, right? And I know everybody says, well, you know, you still have your life and things can be replaced, etc., etc. But it's a whole... change of like all those lives because it's not like a house in your neighborhood burns down and oh you get rid of it you rebuild like it's so toxic up there and now they'll have problems with mudslides right but your grocery store is gone your library is gone your mechanic is gone all your neighbors homes are gone so like then you go up there and you rebuild and in the midst of all this toxic you know material that's up there and even working up there you know how how easy is it going to be to get workers that want to go through all this burnt toxic you know you know destruction that they need to throw into a big dumpster and you know start from the ground up and then the soil and i don't know just that kind of loss um you know, being secure in Christ, we're supposed to find our security there. But I can imagine when you return to your neighborhood and you don't even know if there's a possibility of you rebuilding, like, I'm very curious to see what it'll be like in 20 years. I'm assuming the oceanfront Malibu homes where those people have money coming out of their ears and they're like $10 million houses, those will get rebuilt because even if you don't have insurance money, you're loaded and you can rebuild. And the people in Pacific Palisades, you know, those are very expensive homes too in the millions, but some of them may have been in a different position of maybe owning it for 30 years and they they aren't multi-millionaires it just became millionaires because the you know real estate values went up so much but you know i'm just very curious to see what that will be like in 20 or or so years if it is all rebuilt because it is such a prime spot but i sometimes i feel like so the picture that i had when my friend sent all these pictures out today um was of just kind of despair and just kind of like a hopelessness that many of them feel about, you know, where do we go from here kind of feeling. And I think some of us have that feeling about other things in life, you know, where we end of a relationship oh gosh where do i go from here or the loss of someone a loved one you know how do i work my way through this how do i claw my way out of this i just watched a documentary um on avicii this dj who was so talented just oh so talented and he committed suicide and i just thought to myself like gosh, you were such a genius with creating music. If you didn't want to do those concerts, couldn't you just stop doing the concerts and just create with other, he was working with the top of the top of the top, you know, musicians. And couldn't you just do that? Like, couldn't you see your way out of it? And I know that that's why we have faith. I know that's why we have like the Lord to turn to. But I just think people get lost in a sea of despair sometimes.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree with you on that. I think depression and anxiety are on the rise. And I just want to encourage listeners today to not give up, to keep putting that one foot in front of the other, just like my friend and her husband, as they were going on that path. They didn't know it was going to be four miles long. They didn't know how long it was going to take or how arduous, how steep it got. They just heard it was a great path. So, you know, the path that we end up on, we don't know where it's going to lead to eventually. We don't know sometimes how steep it's going to get. But like these poor people that have lost so much out in California, they don't know how long this is going to take before they can return to their life or what their life is going to look like. What is their new normal going to be? Where is their workplace going to be? Where are their kids going to go to school? What about their church family if they lost their church? So, you know, everything is disrupted in their lives. But to not give up hope, just every day put one foot in front of the other on that path and persevere because eventually it will even out. We don't know what that will look like. There are no guarantees, but It's going to be okay is what we want to say, right? It's going to be okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I always love, you know, your Fresh Hope for Today devotions. That's the book, Fresh Hope for Today, Devotions for Joy on the Journey. If you want some hope, it's a great book. Always enjoy talking to Grace Fox. And if you want to find her and her books, you can go to gracefox.com. Thank you, friend. Thank you.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news. Well, you know, if you've listened to the program over the years, I guess I've been on, gosh, radio and TV like 25 years. So many of you know my background and I have a real heart for foster care because I spent some time in foster care growing up and really was appreciative of the families that took me in. Joining us is Kristen Pratt, and she is with Foster More, the leadership team. Welcome, Kristen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much for having me, Angie.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, so let's just start off, first of all, I know that there is a need for foster care. I've seen books where it's like page after page after page of kids that are looking for homes. So is this crisis in America worse now? And just tell us about the foster care crisis in general.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so... Any given day, it fluctuates a bit, but there are approximately 400,000 children in foster care in America. So it is, it has seen some slight improvements the last few years, but a lot of those kids are experiencing, you know, over two to three placements a year, the majority of them. And so there's a real need for loving, stable homes for these kids who are facing a lot of obstacles.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. Oh my goodness. All right. So I know that you guys do some research and there was a barrier, a significant barrier preventing, you know, families from stepping forward to, I'll tell you what my mind would be. Well, first of all, I have three teenagers, five pets and off and on my 82 year old mom. But my barrier would probably be my husband. But I might be able to work on him like once the kids are gone, because they're all in high school now. But the barrier for me is my spouse, like I would do foster care. And I know it's rough. I don't have any fairy tale like version of how difficult it could potentially be. So what are the barriers that people see in terms of becoming foster parents?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, that is a barrier, like your spouse, you have to both be on board. But We always tell people, too, there's a need for foster parents of all kinds, all ages, you know, empty nesters, young people, older people, single people. So there's really, you know, anyone can step up there. And one of the things that we found that people would say is that they couldn't take the time off work. So they'd say, well, my job doesn't allow for me to take that time off work. And, you know, like there's a lot that goes into that. Um, when the child is placed in the home, not only do you need that time to bond with, with some child who has by definition experienced some trauma, but you also need the time to get them enrolled in a new school and doctor's appointments and, you know, all the appointments. So you really, it's important to have that time off when the child joins a home and a lot of businesses don't provide for that. And it stops a lot of potential foster parents from moving forward when they find out that information.
SPEAKER 06 :
Um, have you, have you, like, is this something that you try to address with businesses to try to, I know that my, my station that I worked for one of the gals on the, one of the weather women, uh, adopted a child and she got, you know, the typical time off that you would get. But in this case it was an infant, but I know some businesses do give you time off, but I would. assume with a single parent that that would just kind of like you know take that option off the plate for them to become a foster parent but do um does the foster care system help with things like um you know daycare if you're getting like a kid that's two three four that needs you know daycare during the day they do there are it depends on the state you live in but there are some you know provisions for that and that's another thing that we work with businesses like if a business has on-site child care um we ask that you know
SPEAKER 04 :
youth in foster care if someone becomes a foster parent their child can be um immediately have access to the to the facility yeah but um yeah one of the things we realized is that a lot of the businesses that were offering like you were talking about adoption paid time off for adoption or birth foster care was just overlooked because yes you know a lot of people think of foster care as a road to adoption. And so they get, you know, the time off when the child is adopted, but you really need that time off when the child is placed in the home. And the child is not always adopted in foster care. About half the time they're reunited with the parents. So we need all different kinds of homes, people that want to adopt, people that want to be there for a family that needs some support. And so we want to make sure that businesses are specifically giving that time off for just being a foster parent
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, I understand that Foster More is obviously helping with this whole workplace initiative, you know, trying to get places to make it more, you know, user-friendly to become a foster parent. Can you talk about that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So at Foster More, we have sort of like a ladder of engagement on our website. We try to engage people in all different ways. So, you know, if you want to learn about becoming a mentor for youth in foster care, if you want to have the opportunity to pack a duffel bag or get involved and volunteer in different ways, you can start on our website to do that. And one of the tabs on the website is to become a foster parent, where you can fill out a little form, and then we can connect you with someone, depending on where you live, someone in your local area that can help you learn about becoming a foster parent. And the same thing for the workplace pledge, there's a tab on the website where you can learn more about If you're a business owner or an employee and you're interested in having your business become officially foster-friendly, you can do that on the website, too, and we'd be happy to talk more to anyone about their business becoming foster-friendly.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. I'm just wondering, you know, for people listening today who are thinking about becoming a foster parent, I know a lot of it seems like overwhelming and, you know, all the things you have to tackle to be approved, et cetera. So how do you recommend people get, you know, started on the process? Obviously your website with all the tabs, you know, a really good idea. But how can someone personally, I mean, talking to someone, that's a great idea that you just gave us. What else?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, again, research shows that it takes about 18 months to two years for people. Once they start thinking about becoming a foster parent, you know, do you have the idea to actually become a foster parent? So, you know, it does take, and as it should take a lot of thought for people, it takes a lot of research. So it's something you can start looking into. It's a little bit different than requirements in every state. You can start asking people about it. You can look into other ways to, to get involved and volunteer first. I mean, the need is great for foster parents, but if you want to learn more about foster care, you can volunteer. There are tons of amazing organizations all across the country doing great work. You can learn more about how to get involved in different ways. you know, maybe on the path to becoming a foster parent, as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, in your particular case, what I always love to get people's passion for things, obviously, I'm interested in this topic, because I live with families and relatives, and I only had one, quote, unquote, official foster home, but I had many places where I stayed, you know, so what what what is behind your passion for this kind of work?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I've always been involved in working with kids. I have a background in special education and I became a CASA, which is a court appointed advocate. And that's something people can look into as well, where you support a youth in foster care, you go to court with them and you're sort of their mentor and their person along the way. And so I learned a lot about foster care that way. And just, you know, the more it's something that, like I was saying, people don't talk about that much, but it's such a big issue. And once you, it's like you can't unsee, you know, what you've seen and what you've learned. And it really requires so many more people to step up in any way that you can. And I think it's something that you realize, like, we're all connected to this issue. It's not just a sort of other or someone, you know, far off that you don't know. Like you said, like almost all the time, When we talk to people at businesses, we hear stories like yours where it was like I was in foster care. My cousin was in foster care. My parents were. I was a foster parent. And so so many people are connected. And it's just not only when you provide the workplace benefits, you're also getting people to talk about it, too, which is so important. And that's why we really appreciate you having us on, too, so we can talk about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, I'm wondering in terms of I know that there's like people are thinking, oh, foster care, you know, I'm going to have this kid for 18 years. But there are other, you know, that sounds terrible, but I said it like that. But you know what I mean? Like people are overwhelmed by the prospect of having a child that long or maybe someone, you know, like myself, who's already raised their kids, who's maybe looking at teens or something of the sort. I know you can specify what you're interested in, but is there also like emergency short-term care where you might just have a baby for a week or, you know, like shorter-term options per se? Now, one of my girlfriends, she's a nurse, her husband's a doctor. They did have a short-term situation. And then once the little girl had stayed with them for quite some time, she told me, well, we're going to adopt her. And I was like, wow, like your kids are in college, like yikes. And she said it's the right thing to do because she'd been with them for so long.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So most places you can sign up for respite care. So that's basically like giving a foster parent a weekend break or a few day break. Oh, I've never heard of that. Yeah. So that's a really cool way to sort of like dip your toe in and get involved. It's called respite care. And also there's a really huge need for people that don't want to adopt from foster care that they just want to support. Because like I was saying, the goal of foster care, the ultimate goal is is to support whole families so that kids can be reunified. And that, you know, doesn't always happen. And sometimes, you know, the best situation is for them to stay with the foster parents. But if at all possible, you try to support a whole family so that the child can be reunited with their biological parents. And that requires people to step up temporarily, right? Like that's so important. And I think a lot of times people think of it more as like a road to path to adoption, which it can be. But there's a huge need for people that want to just be there and provide a safe, loving, supportive space for a child in the family who's going through a crisis.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. We only have a couple of minutes left, but I can't believe I've never heard of respite care. Okay. So would you keep the child for the day or is this something like more like several days or do you kind of take them maybe on? I know CASA, they take them on like outings and things like that from their foster situation. So what are the possibilities for respite care for a foster parent?
SPEAKER 04 :
So respite care, you know, I think it depends on each in each state. I think it's a little bit different, but most of the time it's, you know, two, three days you're certified as a foster parent. So you would have to get the certification, like, you know, the cost of you're not, you have to have like a background check and everything, but you're not certified as a foster parent. So if you're doing respite care, you have to go through the whole process of making sure your home is suitable and everything. And then it would be, I think the time really varies, you know, it could be, Two nights, three nights a week. It's just really that time, like say a foster parent needs a break or is going on vacation or has a family emergency, you know, and they need to go out of town. So someone providing respite care would give them that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think about, you know, business trips. Okay, we have one minute left. Tell me your takeaway. What do you want to tell people that are, like, kind of on the fence? Like, what do you want people to know if you had a one-minute elevator speech to give to us?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think the main thing we want people to know, and this is what we say at Foster Mer, these kids are amazing, and they're resilient, and they have the potential to overcome anything, and they really just need someone... to step up and be there for them. The outcomes for kids in foster care are not great, and that can change if we as a society and as individuals step up and are there for these kids.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I sure appreciate all that you do. My foster care situation was quite interesting because I come from a family where my dad has his PhDs, well-educated, but we had a lot of, he was estranged from our family for like 35 years. And then one of my brothers was murdered. Another one ended up homeless. Wow. Here I graduated top of my class. I worked full time all through high school and college. So for somebody listening, just the opportunity to stay with my foster family and other families that really cared, I think really made a difference in my life and where my first job was at NBC News out of college in Los Angeles. So thank you, Kristen, for all you do for others. Really appreciate you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much, Angie. I'd love to hear more about your story.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'd love to talk again. Thanks, Kristen.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
In this thought-provoking episode, Angie Austin brings forth conversations that challenge us to rethink the way we view our lives. Jim Stovall shares his insights on breaking free from a mediocre existence and what it means to truly live a fulfilling life. Through poignant anecdotes, including the tale of a man planning a new chapter post-incarceration, listeners are invited to reconsider the power of a single life-altering decision. Moreover, Angie’s conversation with Dr. Scott Adzick explores pioneering work in fetal surgery, offering hope and insights into life-saving medical advancements. As Dr. Adzick talks about training future specialists, the episode also highlights the importance of mentorship and legacy in impactful work. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their passions and make deliberate choices that align with their values and dreams. Whether it's a career change or finding joy in volunteering, this episode serves as a guidepost for navigating towards a life of significance and satisfaction.
SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hello there, friend. Angie Austin, Jim Stovall with The Good News. And today we are talking about your best life. Sounds like the best column. I love this, Jim.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thank you. It's a phrase we all kind of borrow from Oprah. And she probably got it from somewhere else. But, you know, and the premise is that... we have a choice. We can live our best life. We can live our worst life. And, you know, I'm well aware of the fact that bad things happen to good people. And, you know, it can either be a something that defeats you or a springboard to greater success. And Walt Whitman said, I am not one person. I am many persons. You know, I'm a giant. I'm a dwarf. I'm wealthy. I'm poor. I'm you know, successful, I'm a failure, all these things, because he realized that inside of each of us is the potential to be all of those things. And, you know, we all have those moments, those days, those periods of time that change that. I had a gentleman in my office last week who I met at a fundraiser event I was doing for a Oh, a faith-based group that helps people getting out of prison. Okay. And he had made a horrible series of decisions when he was 15 years old, and it ended up with him killing a guy, and he spent the next 35 years of his life in the penitentiary. So I met him at age 50 when he just got out, and he had been in prison every day since he was 15. And, you know, and it's just amazing. He recounted what happened to him that morning. And he made a couple of dumb decisions and put himself in a bad place. And there you go. I mean, it wasn't some big conspiracy plan or something. It was a momentary thing. And his life is there. So he talked to me about the fact that, okay, that's been your life up to now. But now you're 50. For the next 35 years, you can decide what do you want your life to be. And you have to have a double good life from here on out to make up for that first part. So you've got to come back. You're like a team. You're two touchdowns behind. You've got to make up for this. And he's making plans to do that. And we all have the ability to live a great life or a poor life. Unfortunately, most people... live right in the middle. They live a mediocre existence. And in our country today, Angie, it doesn't take much to be mediocre. You can just kind of drift through life if you want to, and that's where it is. Or you can change your life by changing your mind, and you can live a great life. And it's all about making a decision. And you can have one moment right now today that changes that, just like the guy I told you about, When he was 15 years old, he had one moment he did something really stupid and ruined his life. Well, the contrary is true. We can all have one moment where we make our mind to change. I remember a moment like that for me, and my life will never be the same. I just don't want to live like this anymore. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired, and that's it. And, you know, many things go back to that. And I just decided that's it. We're not living like this anymore.
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Was that the loaf of bread?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, indeed. Yeah, we miscalculated our groceries as we were going through the grocery store. And Crystal had to go put back a loaf of bread. And it was embarrassing and frustrating. And I just said there is no reason I should ever live like this. I'm just not going to live like this anymore. And that changed my world.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you two, weren't you first and second in your college class when you graduated?
SPEAKER 05 :
We were indeed. We were indeed. But we had gotten way in debt, and I was blind. And at that point, I thought disabilities means you couldn't do stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Everything I knew about being blind, I learned from people that told me what that meant. And it's no different than all of us going through life if we're mediocre. Someone told us this is how you live. And people that live a pinnacle existence, a mountaintop existence, they either had somebody amazing tell them how they could live life, they read a book, or they just got a vision of who they could be, and they just decided, I'm not going to be that way anymore. And I read about once this bald eagle had fallen out of the nest and had been taken in through a set of circumstances. It ends up with a bunch of ducks that have just hatched. And this eagle, you know, was raised by this mama duck and, you know, and took on the character. This eagle thought he was a duck. And he walked like a duck, talked like a duck, you know, even started quacking like a duck. I mean, and took on those characteristics. Oh, my gosh. we have a tendency to become like our environment or the people around us, and we can change that. And any time we don't like it, we can change the channel. Sometimes we act like it's a wired-in broadcast and we're stuck with this. No, you've got 500 channels. You can do anything with your life you want, and you change your life when you change your mind. And that's why every once in a while you need somebody to come along And think, what would your best life look like? I mean, what would you do if you could do anything you wanted to do? Because the reality is that's where we all live.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, what did you tell this guy? So he made a mistake, killed somebody when he was 15, didn't plan it. And all these years later, he's 50. What did you tell him to do in order to live his best life?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I told him, first, we've all got to decide what it is we want. What do we want the end to look like? And he's working on that right now. We're going to have another meeting next month. But I said, then you got to look at what talents, abilities and experiences do you have? And he said, well, I don't have any. I said, that's where you're wrong. There are people going into prison, getting out of prison. There are people who need to make quality decisions to stay out of prison. And you have a unique life. You can speak to those people. And you know what it's like on the inside. You know what it's like out here. And more than anybody I know, you can speak to that issue. And, you know, we talked about him, you know, consulting with people, writing a book, helping young people in high schools. I mean, you know, when you have a guy walk in and say, I'm 50 years old. I mean, you know, I'm as old as your parents and almost your grandparents standing here. And when I was your age that you are right now, I did something really stupid and I ended up this way. And, you know, and maybe you could help a handful of kids from avoiding that. And, uh, that would be a good life. You, you, you would be living your best life when you use the talents and abilities and experiences you've had to help other people. So he and I talked about that and, um, You know, and he's got a job. He's the place that I help raise money for. They help people get jobs, and it's not a great job, but it's a job. And he has an apartment, and it's not a great apartment, but it's a good place to start. And as he pointed out, it's better than a jail cell, and the neighborhood's better. So he's feeling pretty good about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Whenever I talk to interviewees that I find particularly interesting, I figure out where they got their passion for what they do. And one of the doctors that I've interviewed that is coming up again is Dr. Adzik, and he does fetal surgery. And he told me, I'll never forget, of all the thousands of interviews, I'll never forget, he said, what's the most satisfying thing about your work? Or when have you felt like, wow, I'm really doing something that makes a difference? He goes, well, every year when I go to the big party for the kids that I've done fetal surgery on, so it might be heart surgery while the baby's in the womb that saves its life. He goes, I see him throwing the football and having a great time together, enjoying the party, eating their hot dogs or whatever they're having. And he said, and I think, wow, this is really great work that I do. This is this is really I'm making a difference. This is very satisfying. I thought, wow, what a cool thing, because he's working on cleft palates and club feet, heart surgeries, spina bifida, you know, all these things that we never would have operated on a baby in the womb. Right. It's just so fascinating to me. And so I started talking more recently about like finding your passion. Like you said, what are you interested in? What are your skills like? you know, what are your values, where do you think you could add, whether it's, you know, a job where you're going to get paid, or whether it's going to be volunteer work, because I've been writing all this down myself, trying to figure out, you know, what I'm going to do next, as my kids are, one, another one's leaving this year, you know, Riley just went up to, moved up to campus just recently, because he'd been commuting, and then the next one goes to Tennessee in about six months, and then I'll have one left at home, so really just thinking about, you know, what's next, so I like, you know, how you are kind of setting him on the right path to what he wants to do next after all those years in prison and knowing that he can still make a difference.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, absolutely. We all have the ability to do that. And then sometimes we forget, like you were talking about your doctor. I met a young lady the other day, a young lady, and she's probably in her mid-40s, and I was speaking at a university. And she's the dean of admissions and teaches at the university, and she came up and introduced herself. I said, it's nice to meet you. And she said, you don't know who I am, do you? And I said, well, you just told me who you are. And she said, no, no, no, no. 1988, I'm a college freshman. I ran out of money. I was getting ready to drop out of the university and go back to my job as a waitress. I went to the mailbox there on campus to turn in my key. I had one envelope left there, and it was a letter from you telling me I got a scholarship. And I finished college and got a graduate degree, and now I'm dean of this university. And she said, it all started because you made that envelope happen. And I said, well, thank you, but no, you made all that happen. You did every bit of that. But I said, I will tell you, from time to time, it's a hassle running a scholarship, and you just gave me plenty of motivation for the next 10 years. I'm good to go.
SPEAKER 02 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is, that's, whew. Well, speaking of making an impact, there you did, but I want to tell you one other thing. You know my friend Dr. Cheryl Lynch, she's a professor and just a really neat lady, and she writes books as well, and she wrote me a note the other day, and she said, she I'm reading Jim Stovall's book, The Gift of a Day, 100 Doses of Winner's Wisdom. And this quote from Chapter 7, Crystallize What I Do. Could we do a segment on this sometime? I'd really like to talk about it because Jim has such a way with words. And here's what he said that brought me to tears. And the quote, I'll start with the whole thing, but then I'll highlight what you said that made her cry. Influence can be either good or bad, and it can be overt or subtle. We are all being influenced, and we are all influencing others every day. And here's the part that got her. If we learn something, we change our world. If we teach something, we change another person's world. But if we teach people to teach, we change the whole world. And she said that really encapsulates what she does as a professor, and that made her cry.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that is good. I think we ought to laugh some every day, cry some every day, have good memories. And, you know, that needs to be a regular part of our day. And it's a good thing. And please tell her I am greatly honored.
SPEAKER 03 :
She's a good one. All right. So in your best life, we've got about a minute left. What's our takeaway here?
SPEAKER 05 :
Examine the life you're living right now. We spend very little time. We spend our lives worrying about stuff that happened in the past we can't do anything about or fretting about stuff in the future that may or may not even happen. And we never take a look at what am I doing right now and is this really what I want to do or did I just kind of end up here? You know, someone told me to get in that line and here I am. And really take it, do it on purpose and, you know, really start living your best life.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I love it. You always say, today's the day. And it says, you and I are much the same, and our best lives await. As you go through your day today, trade your ordinary life for your best life, because today's the day. And that's jimstovall.com, jimstovall.com. Thank you, my friend.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you. Be well.
SPEAKER 03 :
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news. Well, I'm really excited about our next interview. Did you know that nearly 150,000 babies every year are born in the U.S. with birth defects, many with conditions so rare that some of the parents and clinicians have never even heard of them? approximately 5,000 fetal surgeries done worldwide to treat these birth defects. A quarter of them had been performed at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr. Scott Adzick is a fetal surgeon who specializes in treating these babies' unique needs. And today we're discussing advancements that will save even more lives. And we've had Dr. Adzik on the show before and over 30 years in TV news and radio news. I worked at NBC for many years. I've interviewed thousands of people. And Dr. Adzik is one of my all time favorite interviews, which he doesn't even know this. His work is fascinating and lifesaving. Welcome back, doctor.
SPEAKER 06 :
Geez, thanks for the introduction, Angie. That was awesome.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I'm fascinated by people's passion for what they do. And I asked you once, hey, what's satisfying about your work? You know, what gives you great, you know, satisfaction? And you said these kids come back for this like party that you have to celebrate the kids who've been saved, you know, in, you know, you've operated on them before they've even been born and you're like and here they are like teenagers and they're throwing the football and you know I mean not you're humble but they're alive because in some cases you did this surgery on them and you're watching all of these kids playing that really I mean you kind of help save their lives I mean that's so cool that's very cool and you're right and that sort of sounds a little bit like me I don't even need to do the interview I mean you the line look
SPEAKER 06 :
It is true that each year in June, actually this year is on June 1st, Sunday at the Philadelphia Zoo, you're invited. Oh, I'd love to go. I have a fetal family reunion and patients, children and their families come back. And last year we had over 3,000 people there. And that's usually for the most part just folks who are local and regional, not just who are national since the program was started. It was started in 1995. This is 30 years for us. We've had more than 33,000 pregnant women carrying babies with birth defects referred to us from all 50 states and from more than 70 countries. So that is inspiring. There's so many children whose babies likely could have died running around and growing up healthy and strong. Actually, there's nothing better. Nothing better.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I want to talk a little bit about some of the advancements, because this is so fascinating to me anyway, that you can operate on a baby while it's still in the mom's tummy. I mean, to put it down to the basics of what you do, but I mean, it's so technical and they're so tiny. Talk about some of the birth defects that you can help via this surgery.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, there's a whole long list. and we've been fortunate to be pioneers in many of them. The two most common, though, I'll touch on are spina bifida and twin-twin transfusions. What's spina bifida? Well, you know, but I'll explain it to your listeners. That's where, in the developing fetus, the tissues around the spinal cord don't develop normally, so the spinal cord and the associated nerves are exposed to the in-utero environment, which is principally amniotic fluid, which in the third trimester is quite neurotoxic, destroy the developing spinal. These children, when they're born, they're likely to eventually be wheelchair-bound, have motor function problems, have hydrocephalus, fluid on the brain, require a ventricular peritoneal shunt to drain the fluid into the abdomen, and so on and so forth. We can now treat this condition in selected cases. Before birth, we've done about 500 of these operations since I think it was the first one in 1998. And the children who have the operation between 23 and 26 weeks gestation, in an operation, it's on average about 70 minutes. The outcomes, this is not a cure completely for spondylobifida. Children that have this before birth are much more likely to walk, have much better motor functions. Much less likely to have hydrocephalus, much less likely to need one of those shunt tubes. That's reporting and we're now doing, obviously, the long-term follow-up. The first case was in 1998. We're now doing the follow-up, which goes back almost 30 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
The condition is about... And I hate to interrupt you, but for people that aren't as familiar with it, I had a girlfriend who was very young when she had her first baby. She's now in her 20s. And they told her that her baby had spina bifida and said, when do you want to schedule the abortion, basically? And she was like, what? You know, she didn't even know what it was. And so she, you know, did some research, et cetera. And this kid is amazing. They have four, five kids. And she's like the light of their lives and helps with the other kids, et cetera. And, you know, she does have some issues with walking, et cetera, wears braces. But, you know, a high functioning mentally, you know, has graduated from high school and did really well. But I mean, that's the option that some people are given and they don't even know about you. So that's another reason I think what you do is so amazing. Like people who would have not kept their baby... we're letting people know that, hey, there's this other option where they can have a much better, possibly, quality of life if they have this fetal surgery. So I just wanted to throw that in there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that's one of the reasons why we're doing the interview now, just for information so that folks can be knowledgeable and aware. The second most common operation we do is an operation for twin-twin transfusion syndromes called fetoscopic laser therapy. Well, what is that? Well, Twin-twin transfusion syndrome, TTTS for short, is identical twins in the uterus, of course, each within their own amniotic sac. As opposed to each of the two twins having their own placenta, which is the disc between the mother and the fetus's umbilical cord, these twins share a placental disc, one placenta. And the setup is that there's an imbalance of circulation such that there are abnormal crossing blood vessels from one side to the other, such that one twin, one identical twin, gets too much blood and develops congestive heart failure, and the other twin doesn't get enough blood and goes into kidney failure, and both twins will go on to die, unless you do fetoscopic laser therapy. So what is that? Well, the mother has sedation, sedation, It's a fetus coat placed through her abdominal wall, like laparoscopy, into the uterus. We visualize that the sona use a laser fiber that will coagulate or occlude those culprit vessels. And in most instances, both twins save.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, the work you do is so highly specialized. And I was reading about an award you received last year. And in the article I was reading, it said that you trained over 50 other or helped, you know, train 50 other doctors. And it talked about other people. So not only are you doing this groundbreaking surgery, but, you know, in Philadelphia, you're also helping, you know, other younger people learn to do what you do, because obviously there will be a time when you're not doing this anymore. So I think that's pretty a pretty cool privilege as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think so, and it's an important part of our mission, of course, to train future professors who now run fetal programs throughout North America, South America, Europe, Far East. That's very gratifying, and it provides greater access for more patients, more unborn patients.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I could talk to you for another half an hour, but I know that I've got a time limit here, so we've got another minute. Besides giving us the website, what else do you want us to know?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the future's bright. Talked a little bit about the artificial womb, about in-utero gene editing. There's a lot of other stuff going on. Very, very, very exciting. That's three varies.
SPEAKER 02 :
Would you give us the website so we can get more information, doctor? And I'd love to have you back. You're always welcome on the good news.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. Fetal surgery, one word, that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, always a pleasure. Dr. Scott Adzik, always a pleasure to have you on fetalsurgery.chop.edu. Thank you so much. A real blessing to have you on the show.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he is amazing. I just, like I said in the intro, I just was so, you know, I've interviewed him before. And when he told me the story about the kids, you know, getting together for that, you know, yearly party to kind of celebrate their lives, seeing those kids toss the football and play and do all those things and just be amazing. living their lives because of this fetal surgery that he has done on them for various issues. Some of the heart issues are obviously life-saving and the spina bifida surgery is life-changing. So, wow, I just think what he does is... I mean, not many people can do what he does. All right. So, and how cool that he's training so many other physicians to, you know, do the kind of work that he does because it's not that common. All right. So I started this last week where I told you, you know, let's find our passions because I love to talk to all these people about how they, you know, got a passion for what they do in my 30 plus years now of interviewing thousands of people. I just love to hear why they chose what they do. And, You know, I've interviewed so many interesting people in, you know, politics or, you know, physicians always fascinate me. Their brains are so wonderful. And, you know, nonprofits, you know, my friend Lloyd Lewis that does work with kids with cognitive deficits. You know, kids are differently abled and, you know, maybe had a hard time getting through school. And, you know, he gives them benefits. jobs and they add so much to the organization. They have such big hearts. I mean, some of the kids that I've met with Down syndrome, his son has Down syndrome, are some of the most loving people I've ever met in my life. It's like they have an extra gene for love, you know, and joy and happiness. So then that became his passion, you know, working with You know, young people, you know, who he employs over 500 now ambassadors. So how do we find our passion? And I've told you repeatedly, I'm looking for my next thing after my kids are raised. So what am I going to do? Am I going to volunteer with pets? You know, so as I mentioned last week, so number one, reflect on your interests, you know, minor animals, kids, older people. um being active hiking you know and then identify your strengths so you know i love ymca the rockies maybe i go up there you know in the summers and i lead hikes i knew a guy who did that and you live up there and you don't really get paid much you just kind of get free room and board and spend the summer but you know ymca the rockies and that's always kind of intrigued me how fun would that be um and then keep you know besides your strengths and you know what you're interested in what do you spend your time on so pay attention to what you do in your free time you know what are you doing in your free time are you exercising are you Are you lifting? Are you spending time with your pets? Are you going for walks with your dogs? Are you volunteering at the local elementary school? Are you helping kids learn how to read? Are you volunteering? Like, you know, volunteering might be a great way too to figure out your next even career path, right? Because you can volunteer in an area of interest. Internships, I think, are great ways to really get your foot in the water. My daughter wants to be an attorney, and I'm like, you should definitely do an internship at a law office and really be with these attorneys and see what they do before you make that kind of a commitment to that kind of education. Explore new things. Try new activities. Meet new people. Connections. Meeting people is so important. Just getting out there, chatting with people. You can even ask for connections on social media. Hey, does anybody know anybody that works with animals? Does anybody know anyone that works in law? And people will connect you with people. It's amazing what they do. I just had a really sweet friend of my daughter's move to Colorado Springs and she was homeschooled and really involved in her church. And I knew a girl that I met at 10, who's now close to 30. And I knew she was really involved in kids ministry, particularly working with young women. And I knew she'd have connections for her. So I just randomly connected them on text. And hopefully they're going to be able to, you know, the older girls can be able to connect the younger girl to some other Christians in her community. So I'm very hopeful for that. And then journaling. I mentioned that last week to write down your thoughts, your feelings, your direction. I think sometimes we get direction when we kind of do prayer and journaling to kind of get an idea of, you know, where we want to go. And writing for me really helps me get those ideas out and put them on paper. And that kind of guides me. But then speaking of guidance, seek out someone, a mentor, a friend. I used to have an accountability partner, which was another newswoman in Los Angeles. She's still the main anchor at Fox in L.A., And we would hold each other accountable every week. We'd go over, you know, what were your goals? Did you follow through on what you wanted to do? Did you do blah, blah, blah? So and then think about your values, you know, what might work for you, you know, in terms of your own values and what's important to you. So, yeah, all of that. And, you know, of course, fears like get rid of those. Just go for it if you want to try something new. All right. This is Angie Austin. Thanks so much for listening to the good news.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
